Ah, well no wonder the names familiar lol... I just reintroduced myself to the case via the show Paranormal Witness the other day and it interviewed both of them.

You said earlier that maybe Pennistons testimony left you a little leary, without me going back to look, how so again? For me, theres no discounting one guys witness because the other was there as well... if either of those guys were even CLOSE to being frauds, the government would've long ago did a hackjob on them that would make even Leatherface blush.

Awe and fear is a potent combination, I know exactly what they're feeling.

I was very emtional after our investigstion the other night...not crying or anything but it takes a toll on you and you run through the gambit of everything when investigating, esp. a place that heavy.

So glad to know that theres another open minded explorer of life out there, and I dont doubt you one little bit... without trying to define them, I will atleast say that there most certainly are forces in our world far beyond our understanding that can have profound effects on us.

Do you think that ghost encounters are atleast partially human oriented, or are you from the other school that believe there are no human spirits left wandering this earth, that they are all the work of evil entities?

I'm honestly not sure where I land, but I admit to leanings towards non-human entities playing a game.

Human spirits and evil/demonic entities...I believe they all inhabit the same dimension or realm if you will that's between ours and being "fully gone" if that makes sense.

It's really cool to know in some of these locations the history that you're interacting with...

His testimony changed. For a decade he just saw something on the ground. Then he was regressed in the mid 90s and his story changed to touching a craft, which revealed to him in a flash of energy that the occupants were time travellers and then it all ended with the rendlesham binary code which was a big story a few years ago.

I have no doubt that he witnessed something in Rendlesham. That's not what I mean. There are corroborating witnesses over a series of days. What I doubt is the later story. Regression is notoriously unreliable. And Halt has since stated that both Penniston and Burroughs were drugged and ****ed with during debriefing. So what I suspect is that the time travel story and the binary code are either false memories produced by the hypnotist or a false narrative planted by whoever did the debrief on base in case the story got out (read: disinformation ).

Doesn't mean something didn't happen at Rendlesham. I just find the original story leaked by Larry Warren in the book 'Clear Intent' in 1983 and then covered in great detail in the book he co-wrote with Peter Robbins in 1997, 'Left at East Gate' to be the more coherent, believable narrative.

BTW I think the guys being drugged and messed with is a big part of this story that doesn't get enough play. It happened with Warren, too, and probably others.

The big part being that this is (more) evidence our own intelligence community is willing to do mk ultra kind of shit to our own US servicemen in order to twist memories.

It doesn't hurt the case in my mind since Warren leaked the halt memo and recording and photographs of the site, if not the craft itself, exist. So even if they were mind-****ed -BY US!- there's still corroborating evidence that something was seen that day.

And that we have a despicable intelligence community with no morals or scruples. :(

You bring up MK Ultra...that's another interesting topic, that and Manchurian Candidates.

Sounds like a red herring IMO, just enough of a twist to throw the entire story out of whack... "little old lady crushed by ufo" makes a great story to laugh at.

There is so, sooo, soooooo much bullshit thrown out there by our government in regards to this. They no doubt have a huuuge team of people in place to hammer anything they want to hammer.

But they cant change this...

General Douglas MacArthur, Oct 8 1955 - You now face a new world, a world of change. We speak in strange terms, of harnessing cosmic energy, of ultimate conflict between a united human race and the sinister forces of some some other planetary galaxy.

The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the world must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets.

General Nathan Twining, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff - This flying saucer situation is not at all imaginary or seeing too much in some natural phenomena. Something is really flying around. The phenomenon is something real and not visionary or fictious.

If the light bird thought they were drugged or otherwise tampered with, I'll take his word ten times out of ten... they probably didnt dare **** with someone of his rank like that, too many connections, too much pull.

Do you know who Nick Redfern is?

He told the story in the context of bizarre UFO stories that aren't often heard. In fact I think it may have been in conjunction with his older Men in Black book. As I recall he was asked about some of the odder stories he's been told and just mentioned it off the cuff.

And that's all it was, just a strange story. Not some grand disinformation campaign.

That kind of stuff's actually more interesting to me in some ways. I'm already familiar with most historical UFO lore. New stories are just more fun, sometimes.

Speaking of new, this is interesting: http://www.openminds.tv/tv-shoot-int...ufo-lima/32206

TV shoot with a congressman in Peru, some kind of object in the sky for up to 2 hours, video from multiple angles.

Nothing spectacular, just a distant object but still kinda neat.

Honestly I have heard the guys name, but I have been feverishly looking into this since 1989 no joke... there is sooo much I've looked at and forgotten.

Redfern, Lear, Moulton Howe, Corso, blah blah blah... you know what I mean? sooo many names involved. All I can say is that my interest is 100% genuine, I've been personally affected.

Redfern is probably the most prolific paranormal writer of the 21st century. The guy's a machine. Tends to be more skeptic than believer (not in the debunker perversion of the word...) so he matches my own mindset more than Linda Moldy Cow or Crazy John Lear.

How dare you call her "Moldy Cow" LMAO

That woman is among the ten most trusted people in the entire field.

But yeah, she has kind of specialized in cattle mutilations... and while were at it, cattle mutilations are a subject that needs delving into.

http://www.qsl.net/w5www/mutilation.html

Look at the top right pic, I mean, they're all strange... but the top right is sooo perfect, its cored out like a machine did it, no one can say thats the work of a coyote or crow etc.

The ranchers always report a lack of blood as well, you're just not going to find that at a natural kill.

Chris O'Brien is who you want to go to if you want to talk cattle mutilations. Finally released his mammoth mutilation book last year which contains his research from a couple of dozen years of his own investigation: http://www.amazon.com/Stalking-Herd-.../dp/1939149061

He had so much material that he just presented data, and not much analysis, and still covered more than 500 pages. At least that's what I understand; I haven't yet read it. He's said he's coming out with a follow-up book that interprets everything. Or tries to.

Paracast episode about a year ago about the book with his mentor, David Perkins: http://www.theparacast.com/podcast/n...david-perkins/

Good Radio Misterioso show with him: http://radiomisterioso.com/2014/05/2...-sense-at-all/

(fyi Radio Misterioso is my favorite podcast, it's kind of an unplugged free-for-all with Greg Bishop...who is the guy you want to listen to if you want to talk about Paul Bennewitz or Richard Doty).

The scariest theory for me is that the mutilations are us, testing cattle herds for either mad cow or to ascertain the impact that nuclear testing and nuclear power planets have had.

Either possibility is just terrifying...

Too much to dig into tonight, but I'll be getting back to these... right now, its time for a marinara and sausage sammich on garlic toast, oh man, its damn near exciting as a ufo sighting, except not really.

But yeah, good enough for now.

Best wishes all you Planeteers, good night and good luck.

Something we haven't talked about...

Chemtrails.

I am a believer. I have seen crosshatch trails laid by planes. Here in Kansas City. I have seen them turn clear days into overcast, the trails spreading and somehow coalescing into 'cloud' cover. Not moving at all like a weather pattern from the west.

I do not remember ever seeing anything like this in the 70s, 80s or first half of the 90s. I saw it only after I moved out here around the turn of the century. And I have not seen it much lately although I hear it's still going on.

If you want to get really paranoid look into MKNAOMI.

Totally agree, they're very common around here and share nothing in common with regular contrails that disappear within minutes at most.

Contrails arent laid out in the patterns you describe and they do not expand into huge blankets of haze that linger for hours and hours.

Yeah, I've seen planes with trails a mile long that just don't dissipate, but actually flower out and grow huge. Always wondered what the hell was in JP4 to make certain trails blossom like that.

I've heard some horror stories about jp8.

Speaking of huge blankets of haze, that was post number 420.

LMAO didnt realize that, nice catch.

Russia to USA: Tell the World About ETs Or We Will

http://earthweareone.com/wp-content/...dev-Aliens.jpg

I'll see your Medvedev and raise you a Podesta...

http://news.yahoo.com/outgoing-obama...234149498.html

Contrail dissipation rate depends on atmospheric conditions.


If the altitude for contrails is between 29 and 33 thousand you will see them doing weird things. There is nothing devious about it, just science.

I'm not going to lie - I very much look forward to the day of the big announcement regarding aliens and UFOs. The world will go apeshit for about 6-8 weeks, then settle into the fact they we have never been alone in the universe.

But in the end, its all just light vapor, right?

That doesnt explain how they not only do not dissipate, but expand and actually grow thicker as they expand, turning sunny days into overcast days... lost count of how many times I've watched it happen.

You start seeing crisscrossing lines on a bright sunny morning, evenly spaced lines in grid or x patterns... next thing you know its a foggy haze that hangs around all day.

Thats not the behavior of burnt up jet fuel.

Iirc? Its not burnt fuel, but the splitting of air molecules across the wing tips at high elivations. What some wanna call chem trails can be seen in old colored film of the 8th airforce booming Nazi Germany into the stone ages.

But thats just disturbed air, those lines should disappear in no more than a 15-20 minutes even under strange conditions. They certainly shouldnt expand and last all day over the area.

Ask your buddy Bugeater, he knows the deal, he's seen it in action.

We both live next door to S.A.C.
Cant say I've noticed anything strange like you describe.
I work outside all day. Bugs works inside.

Not like I've payed attention to this either.
I'll start though

Bug made no bones about it here several years ago, it hogs up the entire sky for the rest of the day.

Ask him, I'm not putting words in his mouth.

Thats just not natural, I've seen plenty of aircraft overhead in all sorts of conditions in my day, and its just not normal.

I believe you. I find it funny I've never noticed this. Especially during snow goose season , when my butt sits in a ground blind, looking up into the sky from sun up to sun down for a month straight.

I almost never see it out in the country, its usually over highly populated urban areas.

Springfield, Illinois used to be SUPER bad about it.

I think we've seen as much disclosure as we ever will. At least here in the US. They (meaning the military) officially gave up UFO study in the late 60s with the end of Blue Book and we and our UK puppets have stated as policy ever since that they're of 'no defense significance'. All study - if such study even exists, of course - would have shifted to contractors in the private sector so they leave no trail that can be followed with FOIA requests and they have plausible deniability whenever the question was raised. And, in reality, Blue Book itself was probably the public study carried out with PR in mind, and the significant cases at the time were handled out of the public eye.

If there is anything to disclose nobody able to do so would be party to the secret. Presidents wouldn't know. Members of congress wouldn't know. Members of the military hierarchy wouldn't know. It would be limited to a small group, likely limited to the individuals carrying out the research, some of whom are probably so highly compartmentalized that they have no idea what they're even working on and a few leaders of industry and technology, who probably fund and/or organize the entire program.

Basically, whatever the truth is I don't think it's a big secret, at least not in scope. I think very few people know very much of it, and none of them have anything to gain from the rest of us finding out that truth. Particularly if that truth involves some version of 'there are things in our airspace that we can neither understand nor control'.

I'm not even sure under what circumstances a real, believable disclosure could happen. If CNN on Monday showed a craft on the White House lawn and Obama meeting with...something, how would we even be able to know what we're seeing is real? That what we're seeing isn't some elaborate hoax, the ultimate false flag event.

It would be interesting to see, something like Independence Day and massive ships showing up over major cities world wide. 'You are not alone.' Half the most ardent UFO believers would switch to say it's the CIA using holographic technology. Because that's how we conspiracy people work, thinking everything is a lie.

I do set up on a field an hour south of Omaha.
I'm a firm believer in, where their is smoke their is fire & this subject seems to inspire the masses.
Like I said earlier, I've never really paid attention or looked for weird cloud formations. I'll start paying closer attention. Like I said. I'm out side a lot.

Dont look for it out in the boonies, look for it over towns.

Look for patterns in the sky, crosshatches and x's... then watch to see if the pattern disappears in time or if it slowly grows and turns a sunny day overcast.

Check the winds aloft on a calm day.


The contrails will stay up there a looooong time.


I am not saying that they aren't spraying stuff in the air, but I am saying that there is a solid reason contrails do what they do.

This has the ring of truth to it, sadly.

I just think it is unbelievably arrogant of people to think humans are the only intelligent life in the entirety of the cosmos, or our carbon based life forms are the only type of understandable/sustainable beings ever to come around. I'd love to see the day when all of our preconceived notions go right down the toilet.

I understand that just because its calm on the ground, doesnt mean winds arent howling at 30,000 feet and vice versa... but when these things not only do not slowly dissipate, but slowly grow and linger and meld together (hence the patterns), partially blotting out the sun, for literally entire afternoons... then I tend to take a strange of view of strange happenings.

That's a regular point of mine, as well. We are very arrogant about our level of advancement, this core belief that if we can't do something right now then that fact itself establishes a hard and fast rule forbidding anybody else from doing whatever we can't.

I think there's a strong judeo-christian element to it, too. This belief that the earth is the center of the universe, that it was created for us. I think it pervades every element of western society, whether individuals in question believe in a God or not.

And perhaps in a different way that pervades ETH believers (that's short for Extraterrestrial Hypothesis...). Maybe at the end of the day there really isn't anybody visiting here. Maybe we just aren't that interesting, or that important.

Who knows...

We are... the frenzy of activity surrounding us confirms it, statements from people no less than Eisenhower, MacArthur and Twining confirm it.

I still stand by the theory of us receiving ET tech in exchange for the rights to abduct/experiment on humans, etc. and the right to use our skies or bases, etc.

The radical exceleration of tech after Roswell is too much of a coincidence for my liking.

The point I'm making is that I think we need to be wary about religious fervor-style belief in ETH. It has the same pitfalls as debunking. It closes the mind off from a myriad of possibilities.

One of the hardest things to digest, to even admit, is that there's no proof of anything. Actual, solid, 'this is what's going on' proof. There is tons and tons of evidence. Tons and tons of anecdotes and stories, a lot of them contradictory. But none of it actually tells us with any authority what's really going on. Not so far.

I suspect there's more concrete information somewhere, buried away from the public eye, but what that information reveals is just conjecture at this point. It might be ET's. It might be something else. It might be lots of things.

Basically think of it this way: there's no doubt there's a phenomena. The interpretation is where the problems come in. We don't know enough to assume anything.

(Personally I hope it's either ET's or a lost/forgotten earth species. Although time travelers would be kind of cool, too)

First of all, I'm a believer.
But until you post something.......anything that you found, I'm going to assume you spooked yourself.....ghost hunter.

Its hard for me to still believe that there are people out there who doubt that we have/are being visited.
The evidence is overwhelming.

To me the Betty and Barney Hill case seems the most valid.

For them to make this up only hurts them both, draws attention to their mixed marriage (at a bad time,) and there WAS physical evidence taken.

They fought with investigators and even the psychiatrist about what should or shouldn't be reported.

It's no different than religion.

Some people need to believe there's a God and some people need to believe there isn't.

It's the same with Aliens/UFO's.

Some people absolutely need to believe that the only reality is what they can see with their own two eyes...

Yeah, that's something most people don't realize about that case, that details about it were never supposed to be made public.

However, it's a case where regression was used, which makes me question the details. Not that something happened to them, just that what was uncovered under hypnosis was what really occurred. Regression is not reliable. Even Dr. Simon (the doctor who did the hypnosis) admitted, as I recall, that he thought the memories he recovered were manipulated and that he wasn't sure what the reality of the event was.

It's definitely interesting though. The things that were recovered independently from each of them matched the other's story. It's unlikely that they worked together to make up those stories, since (again as I recall) they were each given amnesia after each session and were not privy to each other's story until years later.

That case is pretty strong evidence to me that there's some kind of third party interference going on, and that that third party has the ability to effectively screen memories in the human mind. Plenty of evidence of that elsewhere throughout the abduction phenomenon as well.

Odd thing about the abduction phenomena these days is that, at least from the outside, it doesn't look like there's as much of it going on. Although maybe that's just perception. It sure seemed like it was a bigger deal in the 80s and 90s than it is today, though.

This is going to sound strange, but sometimes I wonder how much influence the x-files actually had on social consciousness of the paranormal in my lifetime (I know it certainly fed into my interest, although I was into this stuff before 1993...), and things like aliens became trendy on a larger scale because of that show, and how much things seem to have fallen off since it ended. Similar to how much influence I think the "ghost" shows that currently plague television are having on that branch of paranormal study.

Point I'm sort of roundabout getting to is I wonder if the abduction phenomenon is something that has always gone on, but our interpretation of it changes based on culture at the time. Like in the middle ages it was attributed to sprites or the fae or to demons, and from the 60s to today it would have been aliens because that's what developed into popular culture post WW2.

Which is not to say that it might not be ETs, and that they could have been masquerading/masking memory in earlier points in history as whatever was popular culture at the time. But it also raises the possibility that this third party, whatever it is, can effectively change whatever our perception of it is, and maybe it isn't ET, either.

It's not in my hands to post anything...it's the groups stuff and I don't handle any of it.

LOL and no.....I did not spook myself.

Just heard Kevin Randle speaking briefly on something I'd forgotten about: Project Moon Dust.

Interesting stuff:

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2013...revisited.html
http://www.nicap.org/moondust.htm

I'm on vacation this week. I'm going to catch up on the assorted readings in this thread.

Oh, I see. Top secret shit.
I'm not trying to sound like an ass, but all those ghost hunters act their shit is real too, yet it looks like a bunch of children spooking themselves.
I had a pretty powerful experience not too long ago.
I heard a cpl noises some lights flickered, but that just hieghtened my awareness.
Next the temp dropped waaaaaaaay down. I could see my breath and I know without a doubt that Something was in the room with me....and it wasnt a ghost. It was something evil. I just knew it and I about shit in my pants.
Anyway. In my experience, these things seem to happen when you least expect it, and never when you are hunting it.

What people also don't consider is that the hypnotist/therapist they saw did not believe in alien abduction and at no point later ever changed his mind. There was no leading or suggestive statements by the hypnotist because he wasn't a believer in their story. He tried to convince them something else happened - so there's no implanted memories there.

This is where I'm at. If you read enough accounts of completely different cases the one constant is the person seeing things intended to get emotional reactions.

They're shown dead loved ones that appear to be there in the flesh. They see horrible creatures intended to frighten them. They are at times shown end of the world scenarios - not predictions, but bad things that could possibly happen to cause a response.

We know the US government can use electro stimulation to act as a caffeine substitute - it keeps soldiers more alert for long periods of time with no sleep. This isn't theory - it has been and is being used. Specific brain areas being stimulated.

Imagine if instead you stimulated an area to release chemicals to induce hallucination. Prohibit memory formation. Etc. It's possible, and not unrealistic.

And that's just what the US government can do - not even considering an alien element.

It's not top secret shit...everything is just thoroughly vetted and checked over and over again.

It takes a long time to go through hours of audio and video...

I actually just talked to a friend of mine last week that had an experience like yours...crazy stuff.

So I was trying to find a video on YT and somehow came across a video of Joe Rogan talking about the moon landing and openly questioning it. It got me thinking....

I'm not trying to take this into conspiracy land but that's one subject I've always racked my brain on...I think it fits in with what we've been discussing. What say you guys?

There have been some inconsistencies pointed out in various pics taken on the moon, but its my genuine belief that there is a good explanation for them.

The russians were surely using every means at their disposal to sniff out a fraud back when the landings were taking place, and if they couldnt find evidence of a fakery then I doubt it was fake... the US went on to pull off all manner of great space exploits, so that also leads me to believe it was all real back then.

He brought up the Van Allen radiation belt and I thought that was an interesting angle....

Theres a pretty good rebuttal to that here, under the Environment heading...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_la...iracy_theories

Gotcha....I'm definitely open to both sides on this subject, I just find it really fascinating.

I don't think there's any chance the Apollo missions were faked. I do think it's possible that some images from those missions have been scrubbed to hide things. NASA does that kind of stuff to this day. I also think it's (very) remotely possible there was a system set up to run a studio version of the first mission in the event something catastrophic happened, so there wouldn't be disaster of some kind on live TV, but I'm not sure how that would have worked, logistically speaking. I think it's most likely that what everyone saw was live and genuine.

There's a lot of interesting stuff online, like Nixon's speech if Armstrong and Aldrin had been stranded and the debate over whether they carried .45s on the mission (ostensibly for in case they were off-target upon return and landed in hostile territory, but there's conjecture that NASA wasn't sure there wouldn't be a hostile reception on the moon itself).

Capricorn One...still an awesome movie lol. :D

Can't talk wacky space conspiracies without this!

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Holy shit, that is interesting indeed...

Ahhh, just checked the wiki on that and realized I'd never seen it, sounds like a great flick... Hal Holbrook, Sam Waterston, James Brolin, James B Sikking, Telly Savalas.

And OJ Simpson... hahahaaa.

I'll be watching that tomorrow night.

I remember seeing that flick in the drive-in many many years ago.

It had a run on Showtime or Movie channel a few months back where it was on a few times a week for a few weeks.....surprisingly holds up pretty well.

Really is a great story - one that could probably be remade and improved upon.

ANother in that same era.......Westworld!

Westworld's being remade as a series on hbo.

Nice!

I had also heard they were remaking another of my favorite 70's sci-fi flicks.....Logan's Run

I think that one fell apart a few years back.

Tom DeLonge introduced himself to the world by streaking his way through Blink-182's video for "What's My Age Again?" and has since leveraged the multiplatinum success of the pop-punk group to become a clothing magnate (with his companies Macbeth Footwear and Atticus), social media entrepreneur (his network Modlife has been used by Pearl Jam and Kanye West) and children's author (2013's The Lonely Astronaut on Christmas Eve). But before any of that happened, he was a dedicated believer in the idea that life exists on other planets, and that the world's various governments have worked in secret to keep this information from the general populace. He's become a self-styled academic on the subject and launched a website, Strange Times, dedicated to exposing the truth of what he calls "the phenomenon." He's spent more than two decades getting laughed at for his theories, but with both NASA and the Vatican allowing that humanity might soon find evidence of extraterrestrial life, DeLonge is feeling mighty vindicated these days. A few weeks before he publicly clashed with the other members of Blink-182 about his commitment to the band, we called him at his office. We heard about mind control, a camping trip to Area 51 and how to look beyond popular conspiracy theories to the "third story."

When did you first believe in the existence of aliens? How did this all start?

What's funny, two decades ago when I got into this, it was such a "the world is flat" scenario, and here's Tom running around about UFOs and they'd just laugh it off. But now, NASA is holding symposiums on the inevitability of finding life in the universe. The Vatican is talking about, yes, there's life out there, and how it interferes or doesn't interfere with the church's view of existence.



Right.




You have to understand, I've been involved in this for a long time. I have sources from the government. I've had my phone tapped. I've done a lot of weird stuff in this industry -- people wouldn't believe me if I told them. But this is what happens when you start getting on an email chains with hundreds of scientists from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and different universities around the country, and you start outing seniors scientists from Lockheed Martin talking about the reality of this stuff, guys that hold 30 patents, guys that work underground out in the Nevada test sites in Area 51. It goes far beyond just saying, "Hey, that little light in the sky, that's a little green man." That doesn't lend the right gravity to the topic.

You've had your phone tapped?

Yeah, yeah I did. For quite some time. Years ago, there was somebody who was gathering 150 hours of top secret testimony specifically for Congressional hearings on government projects and the US secret space program. People from NASA, Rome, the Vatican, you name it, they're all on there. The top 36 hours that summarized the best parts of all of that footage, I had it hidden in my house for a period of time, and during that time I was flying this person out along with somebody that was Wernher von Braun's right-hand assistant. Wernher von Braun was a Nazi scientist that we brought over to build our Apollo rockets that got us to the moon, and on his deathbed he told this person a bunch of stuff, and I was flying them out to Los Angeles and we were taking certain meetings. At that time a lot of weird stuff started happening.

Were you concerned about your safety at all?

Partially. Because they do weird stuff. At the time I didn't know it, but the person I was dealing with was being awoken in the middle of the night with clicking and buzzing noises and falling on the ground vomiting, every morning at 4 a.m. I know now that those are artifacts from mind-control experiments, where the same technology that we use to find oil underground, we can zap somebody at the same frequency that the brain operates on, and it can cause some really horrific things to happen. But I didn't know this until 10 years later. I got caught in the middle of it, and this was the time when I was on the cover of Rolling Stone, so I think these guys, whoever was running this operation, were like, "What the ****? How did this kid show up?"

When you first started reading about this stuff and getting more knowledgeable, did you ever try to talk yourself out of it or think, "I must be crazy if I believe that this stuff is real"?

At first I believed everything I read. Then I got to a point where I didn't believe anything I read. And then I came out of the back of it, saying to myself, "Half of it's real, half of it's not." What people have to understand is the basic history of the UFO is very simple. The phenomenon has been around forever. All the ancient religions were written down based on witnessing this phenomenon in various forms. Governments of the world watched the phenomenon and tried to replicate the technology, but they did in secret. So the governments are fighting each other with these pieces of technology. But within those little skirmishes, the phenomenon is still here, and it's much more advanced. So in order to hide what the governments are building in secret, they blame it on spaceships and aliens that eat your brains and all this weird stuff, but it's all in an effort to hide what we're really building, something that is real but is exotic and esoteric, and it's all part of a plan. And as we find out that the phenomenon is real, they're hoping it won't be as bad as we thought it was, because we were scared along the way. It's a really complex game that's been played, especially since the '80s. The CIA was very interested in the UFO civilian research groups, with the intention of being in control over all the research and the public awareness. It was a psychological operation. They were very scared of Americans being gullible and having Russia come in and repeat a War of the Worlds scenario. So the CIA said, "We better get in there and make everyone go crazy, but at least it's controlled, and when we're in charge we can slowly let people know the phenomenon is real, but, 'Don't worry -- we've been building something secret to help protect us.'" It's a crazy thing, but it's real.

You wrote a book called The Lonely Astronaut on Christmas Eve. Your son is named Jonas Rocket. You've explored a lot of outer space themes with your band Angels & Airwaves. Why do you think this topic means so much to you? Why do you think it's resonated throughout your life?

I think it's the biggest story of mankind. You take Christianity: a guy named Jesus came and died on the cross for everybody's sins. That's not as big of a story as what types of intelligences are living across the universe. I mean, the deep space project by Hubble, which is taking our most exotic telescope that we've ever made at the time, and focusing on the blackest part of space for 11 days straight. Literally a grain of sand, if you held it out at arm's length, is where the focus of this orbiting telescope is at. For 11 days. And it came back with a one-inch by one-inch colored slide with ten thousand galaxies in it. It's like we have trillions of galaxies and in each galaxy there's trillions of planets. It's just unreal.

You've never been shy about your beliefs. You've had a song "Aliens Exist," and I remember you talking about this in Rolling Stone, but at the time Blink-182 presented themselves as young, carefree guys. But when you started talking about aliens with Angels & Airwaves and then you launched Strange Times, people started to go, "Oh, he's really serious about this stuff."

People will be like "Oh, you believe in UFOs" [laughs], but I'm reading books on physics, I'm reading books on the secret space program, I'm talking to people that work underground for six months at a time, that are confiding in me about the national security initiatives. I've literally read 200 books on the subject, and I don't spend my time looking at UFO reports or talking to little green men. I'm way past that. If anybody tells you there's no life in universe, you should be turned off. That's just such a dumb thing to say. It's totally, universally accepted amongst the country's elite scientific establishments that there's life everywhere. The question is what kind, where, how'd they get here, what are they doing when they get here, and how do we communicate with them? That's when you start reading books about the mind and consciousness, and telepathy and ESP. It's a whole different program.

Was it tough in the beginning for people to believe that you're serious and knowledgeable about the subject -- you're not just some rockstar with a hobby?

To give you an example, one time I remember bringing up a very specific craft that I believe we're building, in secret, to emulate the phenomenon that our government has been observing for decades. So I started talking about the craft, and its magnetic slide system and how it displaces over 89% of the mass of the ship, how it ionizes the engine, how it glows -- I went through the whole thing, and this engineer looks at me, this guy is 70 years old, and he goes, "You better be real ****ing careful about what you're talking about." And I go, "Okay, so I'm close." And he goes, "I'm not ****ing kidding with you. You better be really ****ing careful." And he calls me up the next day and he goes, "I've had calls about you. If someone comes and asks you to get in their car, don't ****ing get in the car." [laughs] And that's the shit I'm dealing with.

Did anyone ever try to get you to take a ride?

Thankfully, I've had one interesting thing happen to me where I believe somebody was trying to get to me, that was in the intelligence industry. And... that's as much as I want to say. A very interesting thing happened.

According to your Instagram, a little while ago you took a trip out to Area 51 with your friends right? Can you tell me a little about it?

We had two nights. We did one outside of a secret base called China Lake. And that was on the flight path to Area 51, which is known as Groom Lake. We camped out at the northern end of that, about 200 miles from the nearest staff location. We were above an area called Tonopah, which is where they test-fly a lot of different things. So if you remember, I was talking about a person that was gathering all that footage for the congressional hearing. That person was telling me that the big belief, which I had corroborated by a university professor that was in the know, by the way, that the communication of this particular phenomenon is the frequency of thought. So part of communicating and making contact is shutting your mind down and being able to project your thoughts. And this guy was telling me about it, and this whole protocol for how it works. When we went out there the first night, we decided to run through this protocol where you project your thoughts. So we decided to do it, and we were up mad late, but nothing happened. I kept telling the guys: if anything was going to happen, it would happen at three in morning, because that's the time when things like this happen. Don't ask me why. We put about four logs on the fire, and everything is illuminated by the fire, and we fall asleep around one or two. I woke up right around three a.m. My whole body felt like it had static electricity, and I open my eyes and the fire is still going, and there's a conversation going on outside the tent. It sounded like there were about 20 people there, talking. And instantly my mind goes, OK, they're at our campsite, they're not here to hurt us, they're talking about shit, but I can't make out what they're saying. But they're working on something. Then I close my eyes and wake up, and the fire is out and I have about three hours of lost time.

Huh.

I get everyone up first thing in the morning and go, "Did anybody hear all the chatter last night? I couldn't move my body, I was stuck there. I couldn't hear anything." And one of the guys I was with goes, "Yes! They were all around our tent, they were talking. I told you!" And the other guy slept right through it. He had no idea what we were talking about. [laughs] It sounded like English, but you couldn't make out any words. You knew you weren't threatened, you couldn't move your body, but you were very aware of the conversation going on for a period of time. But this is the scary part. If you look up and study abductions of people, people that have had contact, and a lot of the stuff you can read from John Mack; he was [a member of] Harvard's psychiatry department. He almost lost his job because he started writing books about UFOs and people getting abducted. Harvard tried to kick him out of the medical group, but they lost. He got hit by a car in mysterious circumstances. Pretty odd, right? But when you read his books and study what he was doing, a lot of people who have these contacts talk a lot about chatter, like you're in the middle of people working. How ****ing crazy is that? Nothing else. No footprints, no weird like marks or anything like that.

You have Modlife, your web platform that helps bands make more money through social media and merchandise, you've had various clothing companies, you have your multimedia project To The Stars and you have two different bands. You've talked a lot about how tough it is to convince people that you're not just a Blink-182 party guy but also a serious businessman. When you bring in the fact that you believe this stuff, does it ever feel like you're making it harder on yourself?

I don't think so. The smartest people I know are into this stuff. Because they're more universally aware. The more educated you are, then you tend to understand how vulnerable and insignificant we are as human beings.

Do you think the moon landing is real or do you think NASA faked it?

I think it's real, absolutely. People have to understand: you know that the Department of Defense is bigger than Apple, right? So when Apple releases an iPhone, Apple will plan it out and spend billions of dollars and get thousands of people to figure how to tell that story, how to manage that story and how to get their point across. There's nothing different in the Department of Defense when it does something big. So when we landed on the moon, they're gonna go and give you something to chew on. They're gonna go out and find a conspiracy. They're gonna plan out the conspiracy. They made everybody think that we never went there. That way, when you ask questions, you're asking questions they want you to ask. They didn't want the conspiracy to be the real ****ing question, which is, "What was there when we got there?" They place the conspiracy, just like 9/11. The main thing is that terrorists did it, the backup story conspiracy they fed you was, "No, it was an inside job." What's the third story? Another nation state? An extra nation-state? You know? Who did that?

Do you think in your lifetime we will publicly make contact with an alien life form?

I think we already have. Whether or not that will be published or not, I have no idea. I think absolutely it's been happening forever. It's been happening with individuals all over the world, it's been happening with governments to some degree. I don't think we're working underground with aliens. I don't think it's like that, like some dumb conspiracy theorists think. I think what's gonna happen, mark my words, is that they're going to find the microbial life that's they've been talking about on Mars and then, it's one planet over. We're gonna send people up there, and we're gonna find remnants of other types of life. But really, what's going to be there are remnants of other civilizations: architecture, old monuments, machinery, things that have been fossilized, whatever, and then that will get dripped out for another 30 to 40 years. Maybe there was a civilization there.

If we were to make contact with alien life forms, is there anything you would want to ask any of them if you had the opportunity?

Hmm, that's a good question. I don't know what I would ask them. I'd ask them, "How did it all start?" I bet you they wouldn't even know.


http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/tom_..._interview.php

That's quite the long read.

Just finished watching it and you're right, it really does hold up well.

Very well written and acted, just a superb cast, even better than I realized from looking at the wiki on it... its absolutely littered with recognizable faces from the 70's right on through today.

Cool post, Bowser.

Sounds like DeLonge is a very serious student of things.

Yeah, after I posted it and saw it, my first thought was WORDSOWRDSWORDS

Jacques Vallee and Ray Stanford are each getting two hours on Coast to Coast Sunday night with George Knapp. Should be really good.

Its not that bad, that was a good read.

The only thing that concerns me is that the unnamed leader of the group he was camping with when he had the strange paralysis, was probably Dr. Steven Greer... a guy I used to truly admire, and in some small way, still do, if only for the attention he has brought to the subject with the National Press Association conferences he has spearheaded.

But, if you go look at the logo for his C-Seti organization, the background upon which the main logo is superimposed, is the no doubt about it symbol for Thelema, the black magic cult that Aleister Crowley invented.

All of the thought projection/mentally communicate with them talk to draw the phenomena out DeLonge speaks of is totally in line with Crowleyism and Greer, and its been a charge leveled at Greer for quite a while now... he's probably not dealing with "aliens", or maybe he is...

Either way, Greer is going about it the wrong way to put it lightly. My very first encounter with a ufo, when it was being chased by an F-16, I actually tried that mental communication technique.

Closed my eyes, projected my thoughts and questions to that orb in the sky etc etc, wouldnt attempt that now for anything, and I'm not 100% sure what made me do it then... I do believe its why I have had so many other encounters over the years.

TL,DR: I believe DeLonge is camping out with Greer, he's well known for these kinds of outings that cost an arm and a leg and uses all of the same "reach out mentally methods". Greer is a modern day Crowley playing with forces he thinks he understands but doesnt.

Greer is either an absolute nutjob or the new PT Barnum, with this space brother messiah/prophet bullshit. Either way he's making some serious cash off the rubes. He's also, unfortunately, one of the personalities that makes it hard for people outside the paranormal bubble to take any of the rest of us seriously.