Who cares? Albert IS PROVEN. You don't seem to get that.

Hahahaha

"there is no room for these players because we already have good players at those positions.".

That's your logic behind taking a left tackle to replace the left tackle we already have that only gave up 1 sack last year?

Really?

Then trade down with Miami (who traded up to 3 giving up a second rounder) and take whatever is left while adding a second quality player at a position of need.

It's not like we have real needs on this team or anything...

If the argument is "we already have Hali, we don't need another pass rusher" I'd like to point out that Hali is 30 years old and Sutton likes to use creative blitz packages.

So it's ok for him to get dominated by scrubs?

I think people should be more concerned with Albert looking like shit than Fisher looking like shit.

Albert's a 5th year vet for christ sakes and he looks just as bad as a rookie on most of those plays.

Does he not realize that he has to look like a franchise LT to get franchise LT money?

No, see, because...Albert has proven he is awesome.

I don't give a crap that Albert had a few bad plays in a preseason game because HE GAVE UP 4 SACKS IN THE LAST TWO YEARS COMBINED.

Albert was not dominated in any way.

Then your either biased or have no clue what you are looking at.

Alberts a fifth year vet that couldn't hand off a de on a basic cb blitz from a trips set.


Again, Albert is a good player but he needs a lot of work still

I could say the same about you and every other homer who blindly supports Eric Fisher while talking down Albert, simply because the new regime tried to dump him.

brb, watching real NFL games where Albert was perfect in pass protection.

I would like to point out 3 things here.

1. It takes 2 to tango in a trade. This isn't Madden for crying out loud. They wanted to give us a 3rd round pick for Albert. No ****ing way.
2. That so called LT looked like shit and NOBODY in the NFL wanted him. NOBODY.
3. We played a very conservative offense last year that had fewer passing attempts, especially longer dropbacks.

Yeah, I've blindly supported fisher by saying he's a hurt rookie playing a new spot.

So he didn't do that?

Ok.

JFC

SOME OF YOU SHOULD STEP BACK AND READ YOUR OWN POSTS.

"All we should get from the first overall pick is an average to above average right tackle"

And you guys slam me for suggesting we should have traded down and gotten a guy like Richardson, Star, Trufant, Milliner, Patterson, Floyd...or GOD FORBID EJ Manuel or Geno Smith.

Oops, I said Geno Smith.

I better run because a flock of homers are about to lecture me on how taking a quarterback in the first round isn't what this team does.

Fire up the BBQ and the true fan gif.

I'm also a fan who's say has no impact on anything that goes on with the franchise

How the **** is this not getting dominated?

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He got pushed back 7 yards into the QB.

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This was just a lazy play by Albert.

And that's not counting the blitz he completely forgot to pickup.

Albert looked like shit? :spock:

And nobody wants him because they're already invested with their own LT. What the **** are they supposed to do? Deliberately create a logjam at a position where you want consistency above all else?

No, of course not. Only bone-headed organizations like the Chiefs operate that way.

[QUOTE=BossChief;9902978]JFC

SOME OF YOU SHOULD STEP BACK AND READ YOUR OWN POSTS.

"All we should get from the first overall pick is an average to above average right tackle"

And you guys slam me for suggesting we should have traded down and gotten a guy like Richardson, Star, Trufant, Milliner, Patterson, Floyd...or GOD FORBID EJ Manuel or Geno Smith.

Oops, I said Geno Smith.

I better run because a flock of homers are about to lecture me on how taking a quarterback in the first round isn't what this team does.

Fire up the BBQ and the true fan gif.[QUOTE]

In his first year in the league, we should expect an average to above average player at his position.

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Why would we be concerned about that, we've got the megastud LT to replace him already. Oh, right...

Albert's pass protection is fine on this play. Not great, but fine.

The other one is a mistake.

Big deal. He's Branden Albert. Four sacks allowed in two years.

He's awesome.

I believe if they had a trading partner at any pick they would of done it. even if it was nothing more than dropping down with the dolphins at taking just a second rounder to do it.

The Chiefs I believe were stuck with no one to trade with.

Albert was on skates in the first one, he's got to anchor better. Second one really wouldn't have been a huge deal had gray not got exploded and there been a pocket

Chiefs have the #1 overall pick and the fans say that we should just expect an average player. :facepalm:

Nice work, BossChief

Pass the baked beans


...

I swear, most Chiefs fans would be ok with a member of this team sodomizing their wife or daughter...as long as it happens while they wear an Arrowhead while doing it.

The team could literally trade Charles and Bowe for second round picks and spend those picks on backup quality players and there would be FLOCKS of fans defending the moves.

Jake Lloyd sucks in this Star Wars movie!

Yeah, but Ewan McGregor is just as bad.

Um, dude. Ewan McGregor is a great actor. I'm sure his career will be fine.

I don't care! Give Jake Lloyd time!

It is going to be interesting to see who the super star from this draft is going to be.

I have my opinion.

Who do you see as a super star out of this draft class?

I was told all offseason that Albert would be fine in this offense that is more pass heavy and dependent on protection.

So far I don't think think he can be as good as he was last year with Andy Reid's more pass heavy offense. Not after seeing him struggle in those gif's and miss blitzers.

Fisher struggled, but you know what? So is the LT that everyone is saying is well above average.

Albert should concern you far more than Fisher. He's a 5th year vet who apparently is worth franchise money. This shit isn't supposed to be happening. He's supposed to be playing great out there.

Why would Albert concern us more than Fisher? Do explain.

Albert has 1 year left and Fisher is his replacement for the foreseeable future.

I just wish the haters could take a breathe. I wished after the Saints game that the homers would of taken a breathe.

I wish for once that people could just say it is, what it is. No one on the offensive side of the ball other than McCluster, Moeaki, and Davis really played that well. To single out anyone is really a waste.

That makes it so much better.

"Guys, guys, guys! It's not just Fisher... The whole entire offense sucked ass against backups. Just relax and enjoy the suck. The Chiefs will never face an opponent as stout as the 49er backups."

Andy Reid has proven himself as a head coach too, give the guy a chance before we fir up the planes

In that first one Albert had his guy handled. If Smith wasn't such a shitty QB there wouldn't have been any problem with Albert's protection. Plus Fisher ****ed up. He straight up got his ass kicked by a guy quite a bit smaller than him. That's pathetic.

In the second one Albert is actually basically looking at two rushers. He took the time to try to make sure they both didn't go running through by offing the inside to the guard, and then tried to push the other outside, but Smith is so far back already (why the **** is he dropping back so far all the time?) that it just pushes him into that while he's running away from Fisher's busted block (and the guy that pushed up the middle that the RB did an ok but not great job of picking up). Good design and execution by the 49ers and just poor play by the Chiefs line.

I'm not real concerned about Albert as he has established a pretty good resume. He looks like he might need some conditioning and work to get in game shape, but that's what preseason is for. Fisher just plain is getting his ass kicked. Its not even close, Fisher is absolutely very clearly much worse. I have no idea why you're trying to deflect Fisher's failures by acting like Albert is playing just as bad. He absolutely is not.

O.city, you bought season tickets didn't you?

Not exactly my point. If it were one person that effed up, and caused the whole thing to collapse, I would understand trying to single out anyone.

But the qb didn't play well, the offensive line didn't play well, there were drops missed assignments.

I never said that makes it better. It just is what it is.

Give Fisher a break folks. It's the 2nd preseason game. If he still looks like shit November, then it's totally justified.

I think we will see him build into a dominant RT this year. I think it's just going to take him a month or two (counting preseason) to get used to the NFL game.

No, just had a baby three weeks ago, had to decide against it

:spock:

I don't see anywhere in this thread where someone says we should just expect the 1.1 to be an average player. 2 preseason games aren't going to tell you shit about a rookie tackle. Are you brand ****ing new or something?

stop it. You know how people look upon logic, and understanding here. Naughty.

congrats!!!

Not getting much sleep are ya?

I said it.


In year 1, he needs to be an average to above average player.
Year 2 above average
Year 3,4 establishing himself as a top player at his position and challenging to be an all pro

We ARE giving him a break. We're saying he's far FAR from being considered a bust yet.

We're only saying that he looks like dogshit out there as a rookie. Which is true.

We should be worried about a left tackle that started on a top 5 rushing team almost every year and has only given up 4 sacks over the course of the last two seasons and all we should expect out of the first overall pick in the draft is an average player at a position of little relative importance" /stuff only said by full blown dumbass true fans that want nothing more than an average to below average team to watch while getting drunk and eating as much BBQ as they can fit in their faces on Sunday.

He said this regime is already in the pioli spectrum, I told him to take a step back for a second

Albert may have given up 4 sacks in two years, but he missed 3 games last year to injury and the Chiefs had to have been in the bottom half of the league in pass attempts which would minimize opportunities to give up sacks. We also ran on 3rd and long over the last several years in order to coddle Matt Cassel which also reduces potential sacks given up. Albert's sack numbers will go up this year because he's going to have to do a lot more pass protection than he has in the past. That is, if he plays the entire season.

Yeah, week 8 of the regular season, sure.

Now if he goes out and plays dominant against the Steelers then what are people going to say? Its preseason. No game planning, they gave him no help.

Its too early to be making determinations about anyone.

He's going to get destroyed by Woodley.

It's quite clear this guy isn't ready for the NFL.

Ok, someone needs to mock up that "Leave Britney alone!" gif.

Hey, if Fisher does that then I'll gladly get on board. Until then, I'm not going to just give him a pass for no reason.

I think he must be injured, but then him and the team are ****ing up by continuing to push him out there instead of letting him heal. He can work on drills without taking contact. That he just needs to toughen the **** up in which case I don't see that happening until after the year is over. I really doubt its going to get easier for him in that regard as the seasons starts and goes on.

LMAO

Nice. I like it.

But if I'm the production exec and you show me an early cut of Phantom Menance, my first concern is not "Jake Lloyd is never going to be a good actor."

I'm more concerned about the veteran actors who sound like they're in a dental hygienist academy's production of Our Town.

It's not like he wasn't bad. He was. But I'm not calling the Fox brass together Monday morning and saying "hey guys. This Jake Lloyd kid. It's a major problem. Can we reshoot his stuff?"

They'd be looking at you like a ****ing idiot.

"Um... did you happen to hear the dialogue?"
"I'm not worried about the dialogue! George Lucas has a track record! I've seen that man shepherd great movies!"
"Dude... this meeting is seriously all about Jake Lloyd?"
"He was terrible!"
"Every part of that movie was terrible."
"But that doesn't mean he wasn't terrible!"
"Is this because you hate the casting director? And you're still pissed that they put in the whole midichlorian bullshit?"
"Pro Film Focus says that Jake Lloyd had the worst performance in history."
"I'm going to lunch now."

Would people stop saying shit like this, please?

"Logic is not allowed in here! Stop it!"

You know what should stop? People misusing the word "logic". When somebody says something they like, "logic" is used to prop it up, when often there's no logic at all in the post. In RunKC's post, all he's doing is delivering a plea for people to back off Fisher. There's nothing all that convincing about his post, nor was it really intended for that purpose.

Yet there's the word. LOGIC!

That's not ****ing logic.

I saw a similar thing posted SEVERAL times by posters like TEX and some other guys. In this exact same thread.

Your sarcastic chiding of people for using "logic" doesn't make you hip or clever, people. ****ing shut up and drink antifreeze sap from a burning AIDS tree, then go **** your dad. Assholes.

It's threads like these that split fans into two groups:

Group 1: fans that watch the NFL and not just the Chiefs and recognize what it takes to field a superbowl quality team

Group 2: fans that only care about the team being good enough to go 8-8 most of the time and occasionally make a first round playoff exit. They want a watchable "tv show" they can turn on while enjoying BBQ and beer.

I'm quite sure Reid let the entire Oline know that their performance last week was not good enough.

In KC, group 2 wins out.

Yeah, and I would respond by saying this.

Its ****ing preseason, its the guys second ever professional game and it doesn't even count. Shut the **** up, and relax. Wait until we get to some games that count then panic.

Like I said. if goes out and is good/dominant against the steelers, then what are you whiny ****s going to ****ing say then?

Again. its preseason, and I wont be here pounding my chest telling you to eat crow over a preseason game.

Calm down sparky.

WHAT?!!?!

Jake Lloyd was THE WORST PART OF THAT MOVIE.

George Lucas wasted that first-round pick.

It looks like Fisher's feet are all ****ed up when he moves to block. He's quick stepping and allowing the rushers to blow by him. His struggles look to have nothing to do with his injured hand.

I thought that too. And that would make sense. A guy who was a dominant left tackle at a Mid Level D1 school making the transition to the pros struggling with his technique at the pro level is to be expected. he will get it figured out....

We're plenty relaxed.

Again, NOBODY is calling Eric Fisher a bust. Nobody cares that he ****ed up in his first two preseason games. All we care about is him not sucking during the regular season.

We're just calling it like we see it. Eric Fisher looked shitty in his preseason games. Fact. We're not trying to draw anything more out of it than that.

He's got a lot of work to do. Hope he's up to it.

That's all.

Albert is gonna be the scapegoat for Alex Myths propensity for taking sacks.

BEHIND THE BEST OFFENSIVE LINE IN FOOTBALL, ALEX SMYTH GOT SACKED 66 TIMES IN HIS LAST 600 PASS ATTEMPTS.

They are gonna dump Albert because Alex is gonna take a metric ton of sacks and replace him with Eric Fisher...who will struggle trying to adjust to left tackle after playing right tackle the previous year.

Mark it down.

It's GONNA happen.

You were warned about this...

JAKE LLOYD??? I'D WATCH JAKE LLOYD FART SHAKESPEARE FOR TWO HOURS IF IT MEANT NEVER SEEING THIS MIND RAPE AGAIN.

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Curious, how could we have fielded a Super Bowl team this year in your opinion?

Agreed with all of it.

he does. I think everyone should understand that he is going to struggle some. Its a huge jump from college to the pros, and hes learning a new position. And yes, he looked slow, and confused, and over powered.

Too much thinking.....Unsure of his feet, having to realize that he cant over power guys up here. its all relative. I think by mid season he will be just fine. They will prolly have to keep a tight end at first to help him out until he gets it down.

Only because you said so.

Me-sa Alex Alex Smith! Me-sa your humble servant!

I hope that's the best ol in football, cause if it is, our defense dominated it.

:banghead:

If Denver drafted Eric Fisher at 30th overall and he was playing as bad for Denver as he has for KC...these dumbass truefans would be laughing at Denver for making that pick.

But, the guy has an Arrowhead on his helmet so we should all just back off.

You can't seriously be saying that Albert is getting scapegoated for Smith hanging onto the ball too long.

****ing dudes were coming in unblocked. Untouched. And four of those sacks happened after he left the game.

Look, people. It was a rough outing. But the whole "seven sacks!" nonsense implies that it was the starting unit that gave up seven sacks with Smith behind center.

This whole thing is just a little over the top.

Yes, Fisher struggled. He got bitch slapped a couple of times. The whole offensive line struggled with heavy pass rush.

It was not, however, the unmitigated disaster that it's being remembered as.

Dude, joke.

The starters played one series.

Their starting ol? Check again

Staley played 1 series, the rest played I believe the first half

The greatest part of all this? We get to discuss high-round fatties some more!

GOD I HOPE THIS TREND NEVER ENDS!/Lil Chiefy

The only way they could of considered a super bowl run this year, was exactly the way they did it.

They tried to make the strongest part of the team, the defense, stronger. Bringing in Sean Smith, DeVito, Dunta Suckinson, drafting Nico Johnson, and bringing in Sutton.

The offense was devoid of talent at qb, and wr, and hasn't improved at all at receiver as of yet because they haven't let Avery run with the 1's, and Alex Smith is a slight upgrade at qb.

This. Let's predict the season and players' future's because Fisher sucked ass in the first 2 preseason games. :rolleyes: