It's hard to pinpoint what Ned likes to do. Since he's all over the place.

I want us to hit more HR (but gives away outs on sac bunts like crazy in early innings).

I want to let young guys get at-bats in tough spots, so they've been there before (But only some of the young guys).

etc, etc.

Take the over.

Royals sign Nady to minor league deal, KC Star reporting.

You're changing the question. Do you think he will miss fewer than 20 games?

Let's not forget that Cain got injured making a great play last year. Sure he may have injury issues, but I have a hard time knocking the guy for making that play. If he starts ramming himself into the wall regularly, maybe I'd be concerned.
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Yes.

Not trying to change the question. I used 15-day DL because that's what he would hit if he had a an injury that would cause him to miss fewer than 20 games.

I just think assuming Cain is a piece of glass player because he had a leg injury that lingered (pretty common in baseball and football - hamstring injuries take a long time to heal completely, you never know until you test it how healthy it is, etc) is silly.

I mean, is Matt Kemp an injury risk now, because he had a leg-related injury in 2012 that he re-aggravated by not being 100 percent healthy when he tested it in game action the first time?

I hope you're right, but I worry about him being another DDJ. Also, he could miss 20 games with various injuries without ever going on the DL.

Why?

DeJesus' minor league history shows a much less durable player than Cain.

He missed all of the 2001 season with injury.

In 2002, he played in just 112 games over two full-season levels (missing about 30 games)

In 2003, he played in just 76 games before being called up to the majors and getting very little playing time.

DeJesus missed time with injuries almost every year he was in the major leagues. This mirrored his performance in the minors. Three minor leagues season, three seasons with major losses of PT to injury.

Fragile guys that play CF would typically be hurt EVERY year and miss decent chunks of time every year.

Are you really asking why a Royals fan is looking at worst case scenarios?

:LOL:

Oh, if you're just being a pessimist, I get it (see my initial reaction post after the trade, Nightfyre's post a page or two back).

Take heart: There's no real evidence to suggest Cain is injury-prone. Especially compared to the oft-injured DeJesus, who displayed a tendency to get hurt from early on.

Can we sell the farm for Trumbo? Please?

Our lineup would be sick.

And where would he play in the field?

Check his split, first half and second half:

Tarzan to Jane

And detroit ****s us in the ass signing Sanchez to five for eighty.

No shit. Bastards

Like the deranged, pathetic ****ing junkie that I am, I'm ready for the season to start.

Same.

So Detroit had something like a 125M payroll or something. They can afford to sign Prince Fielder and Annibal Sanchez in successive years. Why? Where is the money coming from? Detroit is a big market? How are they affording these payrolls? They will be at 140M before you know it.

Right?

:LOL:

Good point

He's got a nice bat but he's even slower than Frenchy is and without the arm. He'd be a bumbling fool out there. Fun to watch though.

We would be better off moving Gordon to right.

Put Dyson in center and we got us a clown show

Bourjos would be a phenomenal get.

I definitely agree. Good and inexpensive--so I'm sure the prospect cost would be high. Probably too high, but GMDM should check to be sure.

Please and thank you make this happen. Would love it.

It's not NY or LA but Detroit is still a pretty big metro area... 4+ million people. It's top 10-15. Definitely bigger than KC, St. Louis, Cleveland, etc.

Plus Mike Ilitch is a billionaire. That probably has more to do with it.

If DM is going all-in for 2013-14 with the Myers trade, then let's go all-in. Bourjos, Dickey, I'd be happy with either.

Bourjos makes $500K this year, is arb eligible in 2014 (but wouldn't break the bank), not a FA until 2017. What would it take to get him? Ventura-plus? Done.

Are we talking about the same Bourjos that had a .291 obp last year?

I'd take a chance I'm getting the 4.8 WAR player from 2011.

Well, if 2011 is the indicator then Frenchy might replicate his 2.9 WAR that year.

4.8 > 2.9

Plus, Frenchy has a greater track record of NOT being good. His 2011 WAR was his highest, by far, since 2007.

I would bet we don't get any other big move this off season unfortunately

This is most likely correct. All this other talk is just mental masturbation.

Which is extremely healthy. I can mind-fap to Bourjeaouasduasdjasdj all I want.

:LOL:

His only fully year of playing time was '11. Thus, this is, far and away, the more likely projection.

Landing him would be a coup.

Oh, go to hell Detroit. Our bullpen is better, and if our position players evolve, who knows.

They are owned by an ultra-rich deranged multi-billionaire who doesn't care about losing money.

No one actually lives in that rapidly-declining hellhole of a city.

law of averages says Frenchy wont have the abortion of a year he had last season. Lets just hope 2011 Hosmer returns and Salvy continues to evolve.

From your keyboard to God's ears. We really need for that to be true because he will be our RFer.

what about Lohse?

What about him? We've signed 3 FA pitchers this offseason and we're over budget. Do you really expect us to sign another?

edit... Sheilds/Davis weren't FA's. Still....

If we are going all in this year ... then go ALL IN.


We can do like the Marlins and trade them in a couple of years ... win or lose.


At least we would have a winning year every so often.

Yeah good luck with that. We've spent money, improved the starting staff, gone over budget (from what I can tell) and our core players are signed long term. If you guys think we're spending more this year you're on crack. This is our team. We'll win or lose with it.

Lohse is old, he doesn't strike anybody out, and he's a St. Louis/Dave Duncan success story.

Those guys TYPICALLY don't do so well once they leave St. Louis. He wants $75 million.

It's not simply a matter of saying "Hell No" to Kyle Lohse... it's a matter of saying "HELL NO" while sprinting in the opposite direction and firing over your shoulder as you do.

If Lohse signs with an AL team, he's going to get a colossal bust, IMO.

As for KC going "all-in"... I don't think there's anything wrong with sitting pat at this point. They've brought in four new starting candidates.

If they're in the thick of it around the trade deadline and have an opportunity to make a deal to improve the team, I think we'll see them take a shot at that.

I really hope Francouer can find something from 2011 this year

He will...for about six weeks. He'll get a three year extension before reverting back to his old smiling, sack-tapping, free swinging self.

I still think Frenchy and Melky were both using PED's in 11. One got paid and stopped they other was trying for a mega contract and pushed his luck.

So you guys are all willing to give Bourjos the benefit of the doubt but Hosmer is a failed prospect? Just pointing out a little hypocrisy.... (specifically from Deez)

I don't think deez has ever called hosmer a failed prospect.

Link?
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I'm pointing out complete bullshit right here.

I've said I would have traded Hosmer before Myers, and I stand by that statement. The former's defense is vastly overrated, and there are some legit concerns about his approach.

That said, he has tremendous natural ability and could rebound nicely in '13. Not necessarily banking on it, but definitely not ruling it out.

And the Bourjos comparison is horse ****ing shit, since '11 is his only full season of play, and it was really, really good.

Fair enough. Maybe I've misunderstood some epic rants in the 2010 thread.

I have no doubt that I've mother****ed him and his long, loopy, overswinging, Frenchy-imitating swing several times in individual game threads.

I'm on record on this site as saying I'm confident Hos will bounce back, and I was opposed to trading him.

I'll go ahead and go on record for that, as well.

They just have to get that loop out and he will be a Barry Bonds who can play first base.

Personally, I don't think there is one player on this roster who isn't trade-able to the right offer besides Escobar and Perez.

Why don't you just say there are two players who aren't tradable then?

I put up the money for a moose jersey last year so for that reason alone i would like to add him to the list.

sucker, shoulda bought an Escobar jersey. *smug*

**** y'all. Shoulda got a Perez jersey.

I'll probably get his this year.

hey guys, i'm the one that screwed it all up last year.

bought a hosmer jersey.
i truly brought shame to our team, and i fully accept all responsibility.

i shall refrain from buying any jersey this year.

PLAYOFFS '13 (if the world doesn't end on friday)!!!!!!!

haha yes that was poorly worded.

And I want him to have a good 2013 because I want to buy his jersey! Moose is my favorite player but I can't spend the money on a jersey to watch him fizzle out.

I don't think Moose will let himself fail. Dude's a gamer

Moose has struggled early at every level. He will make the transition.

Hopefully Frenchy gets back on them then.

You can redeem yourself by buying one of these.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/pu...Z8_433s=s220-c

fyp

We interrupt your regularly schedule Royals talk to bring you this news bulletin.

This just in out of Kansas City, Jeff "frenchy" Francoeur has seemingly overdosed on PEDs. The outfielder, knows for his big smile, great locker room presence and shitty play was found dead this morning. Frenchy was trying to improve his play it seems by enhancing his skills. It seems he was just as good at cheating as he was at hitting a curve ball. The Royals have yet to name Frenchy's replacement, but at this time all we can say is that we know his replacement will be a better ball player to be named later.

I could see Dayton running out Francoeur's corpse, the good news is he'd likely draw more walks.

I don't know if anyone's seen this yet, but I just read it and I think it's an amazing story about the bond that develops between Hall of Famers.

It just happens to be told by George Brett.

http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fan...of-cooperstown



Cooperstown is not easy to get to, but it’s even harder to leave.

I’ve made it a point to go back every year since I was inducted in 1999, and I have, with the exception of one year when a close friend died just before Hall of Fame weekend and I decided to go to his funeral.

I remember calling Jeff Idelson, the president of the Hall, to apologize for not coming even though I had promised I would, and he said, "George, don’t worry. You’re doing the right thing."

The Hall of Fame is kind of like family that way.

The year of my induction, I was on the veranda of the Otesaga Hotel, where they have these great rocking chairs. You sit in them and look out over beautiful Otsego Lake and the 18th green at the Leatherstocking Golf Course.

I sat down in one of the chairs, and who should pull up the rocking chair next to me but Brooks Robinson.

He was my idol growing up, so much so that I chose No. 5 as my uniform number, just like he wore. So now we both make it a point every year to sit in those rocking chairs, reminisce and have a drink.

Another induction weekend event I love is our golf tournament at Leatherstocking. It’s a shotgun scramble, and in 2005, I was paired with Bill Murray and Yogi Berra. Yeah, I know: Just the names Bill Murray and Yogi Berra make you smile.

We’re on the fifth green, and Yogi has this long putt. He comes up short and says, "If I had hit it harder, it would have missed closer."

Bill and I looked at each other and started laughing hysterically. We had just heard an original Yogi-ism.

I also love the banquet at the Otesaga. Hall of Famers only. I sit with the wine snobs: Tom Seaver, Steve Carlton, Carlton Fisk, Rollie Fingers and Sandy Koufax. We each bring a special bottle to share. Seaver usually brings one from his Napa Valley vineyard, GTS -- stands for George Thomas Seaver, his real name. Koufax always brings a really interesting wine.

We let Robin Yount sit with us even though he forgets to bring a bottle.

Joe Morgan is at the table too, although we kid him that he should be over at the Punch-and-Judy table with Lou Brock and Ozzie Smith.

It’s like a high school cafeteria. Guys sit with guys from their own era, managers with managers. But you have to pinch yourself. I mean, I’m drinking wine with Sandy Koufax.

The year I was inducted, Mike Schmidt came back for the first time since his induction in 1995. He told me it was out of respect for Yount and me, which meant a lot.

Mike and I played in the same era, even posed for a Sports Illustrated cover together, but we didn’t really know each other until Cooperstown. Now he’s a really close friend. Our wives are really close, and we've vacationed together. Imagine that.

Reggie Jackson has also become a close friend because of Cooperstown. I hated Reggie when we played. And now we’re buds.

The All-Star Game was in Kansas City this year, so he called to tell me he was coming out for the game and asked if we could get together. I invited him to a barbecue at my house on the Saturday before the game -- just close friends and family. Thirty years ago, we wanted to beat each other’s brains out, but there he was, staying 'til the end and having a great time with the people who are closest to me.

I always knew the Hall of Fame was special. I just didn’t know how special.

I feel like the Kevin Costner character in "Field of Dreams" when Joe Jackson asks him, "Hey, is this heaven?"

No, it’s Cooperstown.

Rotoworld:

:facepalm:

Did we seriously think he had trade value? How come everyone else in the world knew we needed to non-tender him?

Well the Rockies did take Sanchez!

PED's wouldn't help Francouer lay off of curveballs in the dirt or fastballs over his head. in '11 he stopped swinging at those. Last year he was right back to it. DUMB.