When did we play at Davidson?

You know what he meant, comon, man.

Why did you even bother to make this post? Was correcting that error worth it?

Interesting: http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/web...did_not_choke/

yep ... apparently i'm just too dam old and grouchy to find all the trolling and baiting fun anymore. :shrug:

I love how people only refer to the Davidson game when dogging Kaun yet giving him slight credit for KU's championship. Kaun was a role player, for sure. But that role was bigger than CoMo and T&C give him credit. He was not superstar by any means. I think we can all agree on this point. However, his defensive presence, setting screens, etc. were invaluable to the team.

Also, just because he wasn't drafted to the NBA and Chenowith was does not mean he was worse than Chenowith. I am pretty certain that he would have ended up as a role player on an NBA team. The guy was pretty athletic for a big man. He was just still raw. By the time he came to KU, he hadn't been playing hoops for very long.

Sasha Kaun played a role in helping the Jayhawks win a lot of games during his time at KU. No, it was not a small role. His role was comparable to Morningstar now, IMO. To not give Kaun credit for these things shows ignorance; again, JMO.

I thought he was drafted late 2nd round but chose Russia....I might be thinking of something else though.

Nah, it's pretty much a fact.

RD2 #56 Seattle SuperSonics (from New Orleans) Sasha Kaun, Center, Kansas

Russia offered more money IIRC

yep

but i don't think Seattle minded because they wanted him to get more experience before going NBA.

that and contracts I dont think are guaranteed if you're drafted in the 2nd rd.

If I was Kaun I'd do the same thing. Make millions in Russia or play in the NBA where your contract is not guaranteed. Hmmm, tough choice there.

Yup its the refs that give wins to Kansas.

not once, twice, 3-4-5, but 6 times.

:rolleyes:

I've already recognized this in previous posts. Kaun played great in that game. I've never taken that away from him. He's a good reason why KU even made the Final 4 that yr.

Freaking Hakim Warrick and his tree limb arms! Lee's shot was as good as down, I could feel it in ma bones!

Gerry F***ING McNamara :cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss:

No questions about it. ****ing Warrick.

How do you figure this is our best season ever? Oh, maybe, like normal, KU fans don't know anything.

I just did it because I think it's funny how you guys care so much about this rep thing. I'm pretty sure it was my first time even doing it. Since you neg rep me all the time because I make you look like an idiot.

@KSU

@CU

@TAMU

Vs. Cornell

to name a few

Not to give any validation to this nonsense, but the best teams and best players always get the benefit of the ref's calls in basketball. Watch a NBA game. LeBron, Kobe, Wade, Dirk....they get all the calls. It's really nothing to be ashamed of...it just means we're that damn good.

i lived in lawrence at the time, and that was one of the most depressing days ive ever seen that entire town act. it was a tough loss.

lol ROFL

You don't know that.

Gerry McNamara going off in the first half had more effect to that game than the last shot being blocked. And KU choking from the FT line.

Ah, ok. I couldn't remember for sure. Thanks for the help on info, guys.

Please don't compare college refs to NBA refs. Not even close.

I'm probably setting myself up for disappoinment, but I really don't see any reason we shouldn't win the title this year. It's kind of a watered down year IMO for college basketball and our 2008 team would beat this team, but I totally expect us to win it this year. Color me unimpressed with UK, Cuse, etc.

This team has to shoot better and more consistantly if they want to win in March.

The chances of winning the NC for any team are very low. You can't, realistically, EXPECT to win the NC, I don't care how good you are.

IF ....... we actually start playing up to our potential come tourney time.

so far we aren't .... we are just dragging the game down into the mud and out slopping people. I understand that Self likes to play that way but we still are even close to our potential yet.

I think UK spanks our ass right now tbh

hilarious....how many times have you watched them play?


we would undress them...

It's not watered down. You are just allowing ESPN to tell you that because UNC sucks. The teams are just as good as ever. Just because UNC is down, doesn't mean there aren't good teams out there.

Well, you're 7 years behind in hating Self, and only 2 months behind with this thought... quite an improvement. :D

Hahahahahahahahahah. Aaaaahahahahaha.

wow ... you really think so?

i think Wall would be too quick for Collins which would break down our defense and exposed us with our rotation/help defense.

btw - think Wall is what Tyshawn Taylor could be if he wasn't such a dumbass.

i think Cousins would get Aldrich into foul trouble in about 10 minutes which would kill our rebounding and main defensive presence.

Self would be forced to play zone and/or the twins alot.

when we couldn't generate offense from our defense our players would get nervous which would kill our outside shooting.

it would be a ugly,ugly game which we had to try and win through sheer blood and guts.

btw - have watched 4(not complete) UK games

Seriously though, UK's had its share of close games and bail outs from Wall... if people think KU isn't playing to their potential or thinks they could have 3 or 4 losses, well UK could have 5 or 6 losses by now.

i don't hate Self at all ... not even a little bit

i think he's a good recruiter,good coach and a great guy.

he is really nice at his basketball camps for kids.



i just don't like his offensive scheme :harumph:

Personally I hate the Hi-low offense. I've never liked it. ever......that's just me and the from my experiences with it playing it growing up. But at least Kansas looks to get high % shots first before taking shots from outside. Not anything like that crap Missouri plays.

Yeah, Wall might beat Sherron a few times only to run into a brick wall called Cole Aldrich.

Please. And if anyone is fouling out - it's DCuz. The bad thing is they have Patterson and Orton, as well.

i agree about Wall running into Aldrich until he gets into the foul trouble i mention.

say what you want about that slimy jackass Calipari but he can coach.

He will make sure that the first that his team does is to run right at Aldrich over and over again until he gets into foul trouble.

Aldrich comes out against a team like UK and it means trouble.

as for Cousin getting into foul trouble, it will have to be Marcus Morris drawing the fouls because Aldrich's offensive moves generally don't draw that many fouls.

Alright LAZ thats enough.... Good God man...
Coach Self spanked your boy Calipari last time they played, He will do it again..


ITS so easy to bash KU's weakness and think UK isnt above defeat.. Maybe you need to put as much effort into breaking down UK, watch all the games this year, then come back with a different approach, as you do listing EVERYTHING that is wrong with Kansas....

Well, not really.

I disagree with Laz's constant Self-bashing, but I do think Kuntucky could beat KU right now. Cousins is a freak, plain and simple. The combo of Cuz, Patterson, and Orton off the bench would give the Morris twins fits, and they get in foul trouble as it is.

I have no idea who would guard Wall. Morningsleeves is our best perimeter defender, but I doubt he would stay with Wall. The only chance to slow them down offensively would be to stop their transition game and slow the game down. But then we have 40 minutes of Cousins down low.

Just bang on Cousins hard, he's a whiner, a cry baby and he will get into foul trouble easily. He might even mouth off and get a T as he has done before.

KU can slow down UK, attack Wall with Taylor and Collins, get Wall in foul trouble and by doing just this, KU will beat UK by 15 points.

But it is just one game, either the semi's or the championship game, so anything is possible. I wish we played them twice a year!

so you disagree with me on principle but you agree about UK being a tough match for KU right now?

sounds like we got a Laz basher here folks


Laz is wrong!!!! Laz is evil!!! but he's right ;)

come here man ... lets hug it out.

http://parkes1.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/hug-1.jpg

ROFL

Your the debil!

This!

we do everything offensively and defensively better than UK

and Aldrich is the best big man in the country at avoiding foul trouble...


UK doesn't run an offense...they dribble and take bad shots, Cousins is far and away the best offensive talent on that team....Walls point come mostly from breaks, steals, and various garbage plays...

Bledsoe is a ball hogging brick layer just like Hamilton at UT...they have nothing off the bench, Liggins is atrocious and Orton is a nice kid with no game whatsoever...

jesus, last night against a bad team in a bad conference, a team that suspended it's leading scorer and had it's only real post player foul out...they had to go to overtime...

KU has better wins than UK and it isn't even debatable, KU is also a much more experienced and better coached team...again, not even arguable...

http://kenpom.com/rate.php

playing in a superior conference, against a superior schedule:

KU: 2nd in adjusted offense and 2nd in adjusted defense
UK: 14th in adjusted offense and 19 in adjusted defense

I literally have no idea what you see when you watch basketball.

UK is good, but they have just as big a matchup problem against us as we would against them. Yes, they have Wall. Fine. But we move the ball EXTREMELY well, and have two good shooters in Collins and Morningstar/Reed (who both do an excellent job of getting the open 3). Aldrich vs. Cousins, you have to give the nod to Aldrich here based on experience and general "Man-ness." Cousins whines a LOT and is immature, despite his talent. They have to match Marcus Morris just like we have to match Patterson. But on top of all that, we STILL have MkM, Ty and X, who must be accounted for.

I think people here are falling in love with the idea of Kentucky just like we all fell in love with the idea that Texas was unbeatable. If you watched them play over the past few games, they are JUST as vulnerable as KU, if not more so. It took a complete ass-****ing of Miss St. by the refs last night just for them to eek out a win against a mediocre team.

I'm not saying that we would destroy UK, but I am saying there's no WAY they would obliterate us right now. We are a tougher team. We play tougher opponents. We play better ball than they do. That's why we're #1 in the polls, Sagarin, Kenpom and RPI. Kentucky is not. Duke is ranked ahead of them in most of those, and for good reason. Kentucky simply hasn't played up to our level. Not saying that they CAN'T, just that they HAVEN'T and there's no reason to expect that they can.

And 2 weeks ago, KU took a bad team that was missing its best player to overtime. Just saying.

yeah, coming off an epic battle on the road against a top 10 team...


KU has proven it self against the top 25 over and again...UK hasn't

KU is 4-1 vs Top 25
Kentucky is 5-0

Are you seriously counting UNC, UConn and Miss?

The game goes in the record book no?

He must be trolling. Do we get to count Cornell, then? They were ranked at one time, just like Texas Tech and Baylor were.

ROFL

You don't even believe that.

Were they ranked when KU played them? UConn and UNC were. Not Kentucky's fault they fell of the earth after the game.

LMAO

BTW, I'm halfway serious here. KU fans kept saying when KU made their non-conference schedule, a lot of those teams were good, it wasn't KU's fault they weren't good this year. Well, when Kentucky played those teams, they were considered good.

You can't be serious.

The argument was COMPLETELY different. People brought up our weak schedule like we did it on purpose - the answer was: "When the schedule was made, those teams were good."

You're saying UNC and Ole Miss were quality wins for UK.

And when Kentucky played those teams, they were good enough to be ranked.

Yeah, I'm done.

That happens when you start the season waaaaaaaaay over ranked.

Your Top team in the country should be .......

# 347 Alcorn St. SWAC 1-25 .0116 76.7/347 112.9/338 21.4/212 -.045/271 .3397/294 96.2/319 101.9/227 .6911/46

© 2010 Ken Pomeroy.


They have played a tough schedule,everybody is better than them and have actually won one game.

you think UNC is a quality win?


wtf

I've never once stated that. You said KU has proven itself against ranked teams while Kentucky hasn't. Kentucky is 5-0 against ranked teams. Whether or not they are ranked now is irrelevant. Kentucky prepared for UNC as they were a ranked team. How they played after that is not of consequence to Kentucky.

Thanks to the refs bailing you out tonight, otherwise this would be a bad loss...

Just saying... And yes you know that your lucky the refs are favoring KSU right now...

LMAO

I am laughing right along the side of you... Its comical!

KU has proven itself against ranked teams...currently ranked teams not pieces of shit like unc

KU's strength of schedule and quality wins dwarf UK....and our best wins are on the road

UNC was ranked because of their name only....they are ass...but people see the name UNC and assume UK must be awesome...

Don't disagree. But that doesn't change the fact that Kentucky is 5-0 ranked opponents.

Yeah for Kentucky.... Get your bandwagon on there Stater......

It just boggles my mind how yours works... I have no idea how you can think that saying "the teams were strong when the schedule was made" is even remotely similar to saying that UK has those quality wins because the teams were ranked back when the played them. Logic isn't your strong suit I see, which is OK.

The polls at the beginning of the season are rendered invalid as soon as they change. The voters might think a team is good only to be refuted when more evidence is presented (the team loses 12 ****ing games, lol).

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...lls/rpi/index1

KU is 5-1 against rpi top 25 (2-0 at home)(3-1 on the road)
UK is 2-0 and both were home games

we have more road wins against top 25 rpi than UK even has games...UK has no road wins against a top 25


our strength of schedule

rpi:

KU 10
UK 46

pomeroy:

KU 23
UK 69


it isn't even close

right..............

So I wonder if someone rebroadcasts that UNC Kentucky game if they'll go back and edit out that ranking next to their name.

WTF?

:eek:

are you using that as support for your argument?

Well if they aren't ranked now, then they weren't ranked then.

UNC is "ranked"


82 in rpi