I will pay for your vasectomy.

Yeah I'm ok with that. But people who already talk of Pioli and Haley needing to be fired and saying they are the worst in the business are talking out of their ass.

History has shown repeatedly that coordinators do just fine in other stints. Head coaches tend to be unable to do it because they always demand more power, get it, and that ends up being the end of them. But guys like Wade Phillips, Gregg Williams, Mike Nolan, Dick Lebeau... these are examples of some really good coordinators who've repeated success in different places.

Crennel's history is a little scarier. But I guarantee that Shanahan becomes a mediocre head coach while Charlie Weis does a really good job with the Chiefs.

ROFL I just happened to have worked with a guy in the past who now has a connection with the Chiefs. They are a member here and lurk. They recognized me from my tailgate pictures and stopped by one time. When I found out where he worked now......I made him a deal.

Maybe so.

But someone would have had to restrain me from going down on the sideline when 4/8/28 occurred. And there were a handful of these kinds of moments.

Let's hope it gets better; it sure as hell needs to.

How much do I have to pay to get in on this deal?

Yeah I tried to explain this before but some people have their head up their ass.

The guys that were mentioned before like Bill Walsh and Carmen Policy and all of that shit, moved on to positions they weren't successful in before. So yes, they failed. However MOST good coordinators move on to other teams and often find success again. Lots of coordinators fail as head coaches, but then return to the coordinator ranks where they shined and find success again.

Look some people on this board would complain if the Chiefs went 19-0 and won the SB 97-0. They would. Everyone knows who they are and what a gigantic pain in the ****ing ass they are.

Well Scott Pioli has moved into a position he wasn't in before so there ya go..

I don't have a problem with the moves on their own, I do have a problem that Scott Pioli seems to have an original idea.

Could you and Hamas parrot each other any ****ing more than you guys currently do? It's unreal.

Guy generally hire guys they are familiar with. This is not unusual. Not to mention that it's not like Crennel isn't an upgrade over Clancy.

Second, Pioli isn't doing anything less really than he was in New England. But you've already declared him a failure. :rolleyes:

Did he at least give you a reacharound?

Bill Walsh was GM of the 49ers in the 80's just like Policy was in the 90's.

They didn't move into new positions, they moved into the same positions they were in elsewhere and failed.

Same with Jimmy Johnson.

The Chiefs tried to ape the 49ers and it didn't work, now we're aping the Patriots...we should know how this story ends.

FTR, "ape" might be my least favorite verb of all-time.

WTF dude? Explain yourself.

Ok I'll use a different one next time.

Trying to compare those positions, from two very different eras of football is just reeruned. Of course Walsh failed because he left coach football in 1988 and returned as GM in 99. Yeah there's a fair comparison. 11 ****ing years later. :rolleyes:

The NFL had changed just a bit over those 11 years. Free agency as we know it didn't start until 93.

Policy served as GM for the 9ers. He was not the GM for the Browns.
This is more wording BS by you. The title for Walsh might have been the same, but the NFL landscape had VASTLY changed. And he only took the role for a few years.

Jimmy Johnson "failed" in Miami but I don't see us hiring a new head coach do you? So again the comparison is baseless. It's just something else you want to bitch about.

he is the David Hasselhoff to your Joe Spinell

I have to agree that I wish we started trends instead of chasing them.

Then again I don't how you start a new trend or dynasty in the NFL anymore.

Get a bunch of dynamic-thinking individuals together in one place. In other words...

The 4 horsemen? :D

Jimmy Johnson and Policy were both in charge of player acquisitions in both locations. Both failed miserably in their second location. If you don't know that, then I can't help your dumb ****ing poser ass.

More importantly, Johnson, Policy and Walsh were involved with teams where there was reckless disregard for cap space. The 49ers and the Cowboys outspent other teams by an absolute mile, and the level of talent in those organizations was off the charts. Not hard to get to the top when you have a franchise QB and a blank check to spend.

The point, though, is on the coordinators. Coordinators have a long history of thriving in multiple environments. Based on that, I don't see how anyone can complain about Weis. And Crennel... we'll see, but it's hard to say he's a bad hire at this point.

Hold your horses, only time will tell if modelling the most successful organization of this decade will work or not?

The Chiefs did try to model the 49ers and failed, yes, you have a valid point there, but its not enough to support your argument. The Chiefs modelled the 49ers at a time when the salary cap era came into effect.

Remember when teams like the 49ers were successful back in the 80's it was probably a lot easier for teams like the Cowboys to emulate them and build their dynasty teams in similar fashion since salaries of teams weren't as restricted and they could afford to keep all their good players around and maintain their continuity of success that way. But in the 90's, teams couldn't do that, that's why you dont see dynasties anymore.

But I find this current Chiefs team modelling the Pats to be a very interesting one. So Im curious to see how its going to pan out? In an era where there is a salary cap it might not be a bad idea to model an organization like the Pats? I think a great deal of their successes started from the top by having great leadership in the FO, assembling an outstanding coaching staff, didn't have the most talented team of individuals but what they had was leadership and great coaching which is now more vital than ever since teams can't have a whole load of great players anymore. Just my two cents.

To the ship, mfckrs. The kingdom is united and all that stand against it shall be laid to waste. :)

Whoever said Crennel would be announced Wednesday gained more legitimacy.

Per a Gnats twitter:

This is one of the biggest myths in NFL history.

If you really think there was that much of a difference in spending before FA, you're insane.

Furthermore, large market teams can manipulate the cap just as much now as they could then.

All you have to do now is fork out bonus money.

Thank you.

Some chiefs fans will never be satisfied, we prolly are gonna have 2 of the most experienced and successful cordinators in the NFL, and some people are still bitching.

Well put. I believe Crennel and Weis to be upgrades over Clancy and Haley as coordinators. Isn't that the job of the GM or coach to upgrade? I wonder if the Chiefs were to trade for Manning or Brady would there be people who complained that the Chiefs were not coming up with their own ideas at quarterback. I have no problem with these two hirings... they have to do a better job than what they had in 09'.

>bad=good.

I don't know about that Hamas.

http://www.alostpenny.com/images/graphs/salarycap.jpg

Wait, so you mean in the first year of the cap it was 34 million and now it has quadrupled in 15 years? And this is restraining spending?

The cap has always been a red herring.

Teams didn't spend exorbitant amounts before the cap, and the teams that spend a lot now do so because they fork over bonus money, which only counts 1/6th against the cap.

Dirk, that proves my point, it doesn't refute it.

And what the **** does any of that have to do with Piolo hiring Crennel and Weis here?

Not a god damned thing. You just want something to bitch about.

Dude, wtf? That bonus money still counts toward the salary cap. :rolleyes:

Hey!:cuss:

Actually it does. All the aforementioned people imported all of their good old boys else where and failed.

It's not my fault you're too ****ing dumb to learn anything from history.

You are seriously trying to say Romeo and Charlie aren't goood coordinators?

That's laughable.

People bitch about the Chiefs not going out and getting top tier talent...then we get 2 Coordinators with 3 fuggin' rings each and THAT'S not good enough.

...some Chiefs fans are pissing me off as much as the Chiefs do...

It's not a myth. The 49ers had a shitload of money invested on offense in guys like Steve Young, Harris Barton, Jerry Rice, and Ricky Watters. They had a poor defense and Policy decided to spend all their money on Tim McDonald, Ken Norton, Deion Sanders, Gary Plummer. The NFL was ruled by the two biggest spenders for years: the Cowboys and the 49ers. The Patriots and Colts made their living in the post-cap era in keeping expensive foundational players, but being very liberal about keeping a lot of players on the cheap. The Cowboys and 49ers were built purely by stacking their roster with talent all across the board.

Those teams built a heavy roster and maintained it. It's not like the post-cap era, where most teams peaked and then underwent a brief crash as their cap started to bust.

It's an entirely, entirely different game. Few teams in recent days have won through stocking the cupboard with free agents, and most teams can only afford to keep so many second-contract players.

Nevermind I misunderstood your point.

Actually, > than bad = greater than bad, or better than bad, that is all..Just saying..

That's your argument? Didn't work for them then so it can't work now. Awsome.

The thing you haven't faced one time here, is that in all of those scenarios shit just wasn't the same. No matter how much you want to jump around and have a mini melt down, it wasn't.

Hey wanna tell me about who was Tom Coughlins offensive coordinator in Jax from 95 to 96 and where that guy might be at now?

We can do this all day from the winning side too if you want to.

Yup. This place has gone full reerun. People are starting to bitch simply for the point of bitching.

The Crennel hiring looks to be imminent and let me guess...
Members of 4H are bitching about it? Did I get that about right?

Okay, as you were boys.

The Chiefs just got better! So far 2010 the team has shown improvment on the field and with the coaching staff! Hip hip horray!

:clap::clap::holdman::rockon:PBJ:toast:

Without reading through all of the bickering back and forth, I think the thing we fans need to keep in perspective is that Coaches can only do so much. It comes down to the players on the field. Until we upgrade our talent it's foolish to expect a coach to make a big difference.

And what about the long history of coordinators like Gregg Williams, Mike Nolan, Dick Lebeau, Norv Turner, Wade Phillips that have been outstanding across systems. Or the long-tenured coordinators like (formerly) Monte Kiffin and Jim Johnson who have built outstanding defenses across time.

I don't understand the examples you bring up. It's not like Carmen Policy tried to reinvent the 49ers with the Browns. Far from it. And Jimmy Johnson is a coach who maybe, just maybe, benefitted off of having the best offensive line in the history of football to pave the way for three HOFers (Irvin, Emmitt, and Aikman). Those are two select examples. And they're not even real good ones. They're examples of non-coordinators trying to build an outstanding team in the post-cap era.

The argument doesn't apply to coordinators.

Coaching alone will win us an additional 3-4 games next year. /last spring/

Better playcalling would've helped this team this year, but I tend to agree.
The Chiefs won't stop with the addition of these two gents.
There will be player upgrades as well.

the guy is like rosie odonnell on her period
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You have a good point there. But I would like to comment by saying good coaching goes a long way in the recruitment and development of players.

I agree and I'm thrilled about both hires. People just have a tendency to get over excited. There is still a lot of work to be done in adding talent to this team.

Could not agree more! I hope the Chiefs do aquire more talent however, I am somewhat left to wonder what better coaches would have done with the talent already on the team, other than Niswanger, Brown, Darling, etc.

No ****ing shit you dumb mother****er. What the **** do you think my point is?

:facepalm:

yeah, we upgraded our coordinators but we are far from done.

No the point you've tried to make is that when guys move on to other teams and bring their "good ol boys" they all fail. When the fact is that every guy that moves on to a new team brings in guys he knows and is familiar with. So your "point" is an epic failure. Much like the one you keep trying to make about Dorsey.

Don't be mad because that means you're only half the man I am ****in noob.

So, when's the official announcement?

Probably next freaking week

.......and what's gonna happen with Pendergast?

I would like to contradict anyone that has sources saying there will be a press conference on Wednesday. There was no Press conference for Weis. Why would there be one for Crennel?

They had a telephone conference.


PhilFree:arrow:

I just don't see a telephone conference the same as a PC. . . just my opinion. logistics I know

KC never has real press conferences. When Cassel was signed didn't they just hold up a picture of him with cut out lips and have Gailey stand behind it and lip synch the telephone call?

lmao

Telephone presser. Semantics.

Head coach of USC.
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New York Post
Crennel, Fewell not off Giants' radar

By PAUL SCHWARTZ

Last Updated: 9:49 AM, January 12, 2010
It may indeed come down to Perry Fewell and Romeo Crennel spurning the Giants for other openings, leaving Tom Coughlin to continue his search for a new defensive coordinator. But those two candidates aren't out of the picture just yet.

Despite reports that Crennel had agreed to run the defense in Kansas City and Fewell agreed to do the same in Chicago, neither as of last night had signed contracts.

Crennel, the former Browns head coach and once a Giants assistant under Bill Parcells on the same staff as Coughlin, has not yet interviewed with Coughlin, but they may speak today or tomorrow. It remains likely Crennel will end up with the Chiefs, where he'd be reunited with part of the old New England crew, just-hired offensive coordinator Charlie Weis and general manager Scott Pioli. Crennel is also talking with other teams.

There are signs that one candidate Coughlin has already interviewed for the vacant defensive coordinator position will accept that role elsewhere. Fewell yesterday was in Chicago to speak with head coach Lovie Smith about the Bears defensive coordinator job. Fewell is considered the frontrunner, but he left Chicago without a deal.

Fewell ran the Bills defense the past four years and in November took over for fired Dick Jauron as Buffalo's interim head coach. Fewell was Coughlin's defensive backs coach with the Jaguars and worked in St. Louis and Chicago on the same staff as Smith.

Another name to arise is Jim Haslett. The Giants recently reached out to him. Haslett, former head coach of the Saints (where in 2000 he won Coach of the Year honors) and Rams and most recently the coach of the Florida Tuskers of the United Football League, would be a big-name hire and would certainly command top dollars.

Another interesting possibility: Mike Zimmer. His coordinator contract will soon expire with the Bengals and he may attract some interest around the league as a potential head-coaching candidate, but it's more likely he'll re-up in Cincinnati.

Paul Pasqualoni yesterday was fired as the Dolphins defensive coordinator. He and Coughlin share a common thread -- both coached at Syracuse -- but it's unlikely that's enough to consider Pasqualoni a contender for the Giants' job. Pasqualoni could be a possibility for linebackers coach if Coughlin decides to dismiss Jim Herrmann, who was brought in last season by former coordinator Bill Sheridan. Al Groh, the former Virginia head coach, worked with Coughlin on Parcells' Giants staff and is available, but Groh is likely to go to Georgia Tech to run the Yellow Jackets defense.

Tom Cable is expected to be fired as head coach of the Raiders and if he is, Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride could again interview. Gilbride last year interviewed for the job.

paul.schwartz@nypost.com

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giant...jZVndSwKm1ZhJN

Romeo has agreed. It's a done deal. He's not going back on his word to a friend to join the Giants.

So what? Is this guy still holding out hope? The deal is done.(tm)

Bad news. Crennel and his agent showed up to sign the paperwork, Pioli accidentally cursed and Crennel walked out. Pioli shouted for him to STFU and STFD. Oh wait, wrong GM, sorry.

he is gonna be offer a positional job but i imagine they will give him time to find another job if he so chooses.

i think Crennel is gonna be DC and Dline coach ... pendergast will probably be secondary coach or leave.

How many coaches have won Super Bowls at more than one place?

How many GMS have won Super Bowls at more than one place?

Successful coaches and GM's don't move much, but it you look at this from bloodlines the number is high.

I like the Parcells bloodline.

FYP:D

Pioli cursed because he soon realized he doesn't have enough food to feed the crew

Pioli: "Sh*t! Forgot to buy the hotdogs and hamburgers, and and and the french fries, damn!!! Sh*t I gotta buy the buns and pop too!"

Romeo: "Don't worry about it Scott."

Pioli: "You know Romeo, I figured now that I hired you and Charlie, I needed to add some refreshments to this occasion, its great to have you guys back and to be working together again."

Romeo: "lol...Pleasure Scott..But you know that both Charlie and I love the BBQ here in Kansas City right?"

Pioli: "Oh yes, Im aware of that. What am I going to do to help serve you guys? ah wait I got a solution?...the vending machine! whew thank goodness! WTF?!?! It's empty! It's empty! YOU MEAN TO BE TELLING ME YOU GUYS ATE ALL THAT ****N FOOD?!?!"

Romeo: "Scott I was a little bit hungry."

Pioli: "Are you still hungry?"

Romeo: "Nope."

Pioli: "You're lying. Why do I hear your stomach growling?"

Romeo: "Oh Scott, you know the food in the vending machine were just light snacks. I'll be eating again in another couple of hours."

Pioli: "Sh*t Romeo. Now you're really making me feel guilty after all? I knew I should have brought more food!"

Romeo: "LOL..Thats ok Scott don't feel so guilty. You know there are a few buffets down the road here, you know Charlie and I will there for lunch right? Lets just focus and concentrate on signing the dotted line for now. I need money for lunch."

Pioli: "Money for lunch?"

Romeo: "Well, you know, not just for lunch, but, you know, there has to be enough BBQ for Charlie, myself and the fans on Sunday, and the restaurants here can't go out of business either? My agent wouldn't be asking for millions for nothing?"

Pioli: "Aha...I see! It's done deal Romeo! Welcome back!"

So you would consider Marty's time in KC a failure? Or Marv Levey's time in Buffalo a failure? Andy Reid in Philly?

what you keep doing is changing the criteria so somehow your argument works. It doesn't.

The fact is this team just needs to learn how to win again, then think about GETTING into the postseason. Bringing in guys that served in the SAME CAPACITY for a SB dynasty in this same decade really isn't a bad idea in any way, shape, or form.

Marty: Failure.
Levy: Ultimately, failure. But I'd gladly take 4 straight SB appearances. So NOT a failure in my book
Reid: Shouldn't be on this list. HC for only one franchise.

i don't know how much success that weis/crennel are going to have in KC ... nobody does. Players and coaches often have success one place and not another.

but to bitch about the Chiefs hiring 2 coaches whom are viable quality coaches, who both sport super bowl rings btw, is just stupid.

a certain group is just bitching to be bitching



i think they like the attention tbh.