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duncan_idaho 04-18-2025 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18033297)
This is just not true, there are examples like Jimmy Graham of guy's coming back from this injury and looking like themselves. I believe Mo Claiborne is another.

If what you're saying is true, he wouldn't get drafted in the 1st round period. End of story. If the injury were as bad as you are making it out to be, he wouldn't be a 1st round pick, and all these plugged in guys wouldn't be talking like he is one.

Trey Smith fell to ****ing day 3 for something that hasn't ever even been an issue. They are very cautious with this kind of shit. All teams are.

If the Chiefs takes Simmons, they are not throwing their pick away. That is ridiculous hyperbole. If they take him, it's because their medical staff feels great about it.
Graham came back to be a solid starting level TE, but he was never again a STAR TE like he was before the injury. He lost speed and explosiveness and was no longer a total mismatch nightmare.

It's not me making the patellar tendon tear out to be an absolute disaster. It is history.

Maybe he's the unicorn who does come back and is the same physically, but there's no reason to believe that other than hope.

staylor26 04-18-2025 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 18033338)
Graham came back to be a solid starting level TE, but he was never again a STAR TE like he was before the injury. He lost speed and explosiveness and was no longer a total mismatch nightmare.

It's not me making the patellar tendon tear out to be an absolute disaster. It is history.

Maybe he's the unicorn who does come back and is the same physically, but there's no reason to believe that other than hope.
Dude, he came back from the injury in 2016 and had 923 yards and 6 TDs. His best season since 2013.

New World Order 04-18-2025 11:28 AM
If Graham was the sane player the Saints probably don’t trade him.

He was on track to be like Gronk and Kelce before the injury

Tribal Warfare 04-18-2025 11:28 AM
The media is really cranking up LT trade up rumors

staylor26 04-18-2025 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 18033347)
If Graham was the sane player the Saints probably don’t trade him.

He was on track to be like Gronk and Kelce
He came back from the injury and had one of the 4 best seasons in his 10+ year career. The injury is not what caused his eventual drop off. He was already a bit of an old prospect coming out too.

staylor26 04-18-2025 11:33 AM
We can agree to disagree about the injury, but one this is for sure. The Chiefs are intrigued by the potential value and have gone as far as to bring him in for a top 30 visit. It's possible they even worked him out a little bit, since he did some at the Ohio St. pro day. If they take him, it is 100% safe to say they feel really good about what they saw and the medicals.

duncan_idaho 04-18-2025 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18033345)
Dude, he came back from the injury in 2016 and had 923 yards and 6 TDs. His best season since 2013.
His production was strong, but physically he was not the same player. And his production TANKED following that.

duncan_idaho 04-18-2025 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18033353)
We can agree to disagree about the injury, but one this is for sure. The Chiefs are intrigued by the potential value and have gone as far as to bring him in for a top 30 visit. It's possible they even worked him out a little bit, since he did some at the Ohio St. pro day. If they take him, it is 100% safe to say they feel really good about what they saw and the medicals.
Is that for sure?

Or are they using a top 30 visit with him as a smokescreen, as they have in the past, and as NFL teams do all the time.

Gravedigger 04-18-2025 11:40 AM
From JJ Birden to Luther Burden III

But Patrick's probably tired of the bullshit and will want max protection, two tackles in this draft, one early, he needs to think of the second half of his career and he needs a stable line to get where he needs to be. The haircut, workouts and body transformation are nice, but the logistics point to solidifying lines. I guess it depends if we want to unlock the deep ball or not, not enough time to throw if you don't nail that LT position, meaning Worthy is minimized by his route selections just like last year. You want to unlock Worthy, you get an LT, you want to unlock the offense through pick your poison, you draft WR, those are my two picks.

New World Order 04-18-2025 11:41 AM
Luther Burden kinda sounds like a bbq place

staylor26 04-18-2025 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 18033361)
Is that for sure?

Or are they using a top 30 visit with him as a smokescreen, as they have in the past, and as NFL teams do all the time.
The point is that if they take him, they've obviously done their homework extensively.

staylor26 04-18-2025 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 18033357)
His production was strong, but physically he was not the same player. And his production TANKED following that.
I think that had a lot more to do with him approaching 30 than the injury because he absolutely looked like himself in 2016. He was fantastic that first year in Seattle, and it wasn't just production, but it was the highest YPR of his career. I don't think you're being fair here.

RealSNR 04-18-2025 11:49 AM
You want to gamble on Simmons in the 2nd? Be my guest.

With a 1st? Abso****inglutely not.

staylor26 04-18-2025 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 18033383)
You want to gamble on Simmons in the 2nd? Be my guest.

With a 1st? Abso****inglutely not.
I don't know when I would make the gamble personally, because I don't have enough information to determine that. I am 100% giving the Chiefs the benefit of the doubt whatever they chose.

It just blows my mind that people can see how cautious the FO and the league in general is with this stuff and still not trust them if it's what THEY decide to do.

They waited until day 3 to pull the trigger on Trey Smith, and you just know they had to feel pretty good about it just to take him with a measly late pick. I don't think they'd would waste a 1st round pick on a guy they don't feel extremky confident about.

duncan_idaho 04-18-2025 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18033368)
I think that had a lot more to do with him approaching 30 than the injury because he absolutely looked like himself in 2016. He was fantastic that first year in Seattle, and it wasn't just production, but it was the highest YPR of his career. I don't think you're being fair here.
I disagree. He was noticeably less explosive. I owned him in a dynasty FF league that year. His jumping ability was not the same, his speed took a step back, and he just wasn't as explosive. The numbers were good but he wasn't the same player. (And his high YPC was a function of being in a run-based, play-action offense).


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