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Megatron96 10-29-2022 03:36 PM

Assuming Toney applies himself and studies the playbook diligently, Andy will certainly get him on the field asap. All manufactured stuff at first, and probably not more than 5-8 touches for the first couple weeks, then more if he progresses well. Probably no more than 20 odd snaps/game (not touches, just offensive snaps) by season's end. But Andy and co. will want to see what they've bought as soon as practical.

DenverChief 10-29-2022 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 16562846)
Not wagering, but that would beat the rookie season of basically every Chiefs WR I could think of to look up except Tyreek, and Toney has half a season to do it.

If he didn't have this incredible skill that fits in with jet sweeps and an uncanny ability to get those extra yards after the catch I would say no way. But I'm willing to bet Andy has some plays schemed up specifically to exploit those skills. All he has to do is get 35 yards receiving, 25 yards rushing and 20 yards in returns per game over the remaining games to make that happen.

jd1020 10-29-2022 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16562862)
Assuming Toney applies himself and studies the playbook diligently, Andy will certainly get him on the field asap. All manufactured stuff at first, and probably not more than 5-8 touches for the first couple weeks, then more if he progresses well. Probably no more than 20 odd snaps/game (not touches, just offensive snaps) by season's end. But Andy and co. will want to see what they've bought as soon as practical.

5-8? Come on. What would that make him? The 3rd most relied upon weapon on offense?

He'll be lucky to get 2 touches a game to start off.

Megatron96 10-29-2022 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16562888)
5-8? Come on. What would that make him? The 3rd most relied upon weapon on offense?

He'll be lucky to get 2 touches a game to start off.

I was including PK returns. And this is a slightly different situation, which is why I kind of guess that they'll want to get him some touches asap. They'll start him kind of slow, but they'll want to see what he can do, and why not against our next two opponents? Two teams that don't feature great pass rushes, so Pat will have plenty of opportunity to find Toney in a real live game. Might as well take the kid for a test drive on an easy stretch of road . . .

BWillie 10-31-2022 10:10 AM

Will he even be active vs Tennessee?

htismaqe 10-31-2022 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16566174)
Will he even be active vs Tennessee?

There's a chance he will be, yes.

-King- 10-31-2022 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16566174)
Will he even be active vs Tennessee?

I'll be disappointed if he's not. Even if he didn't know the whole playbook you can still manufacture some plays for him like the 49ers did with McCaffrey. And you don't really need to know a playbook to return kicks.

DJ's left nut 10-31-2022 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16566218)
I'll be disappointed if he's not. Even if he didn't know the whole playbook you can still manufacture some plays for him like the 49ers did with McCaffrey. And you don't really need to know a playbook to return kicks.

He needs to be active if only as a return man.

And hell, just putting him in the huddle and having him run guys off as a decoy has plenty of value if you aren't confident throwing him the football yet. You pair up him and MVS on a smash concept and you HAVE to respect him underneath, so you have him run a curl and the safety will have to monitor him due to his YAC ability.

You could just send him out there to free up MVS or Hardman on a shot play if you wanted to. And honestly, he's demonstrated such good feel for space that I think he'd be really valuable in a scramble drill as well.

He should get some time. Maybe 10-15 snaps on the offense and a dedicated presence as the primary returner.

TwistedChief 10-31-2022 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16566218)
I'll be disappointed if he's not. Even if he didn't know the whole playbook you can still manufacture some plays for him like the 49ers did with McCaffrey. And you don't really need to know a playbook to return kicks.

If he's not active, I think you can assume it might be a hamstring thing more than a playbook/experience/skill thing, no?

I really wanna test out our shiny new toy though...

DJ's left nut 10-31-2022 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16566244)
If he's not active, I think you can assume it might be a hamstring thing more than a playbook/experience/skill thing, no?

I really wanna test out our shiny new toy though...

He insists he's healthy.

I'll be curious what the practice reports indicate. If he's limited today, that usually means he's a no-go for Andy. Gotta get a full week of practice in coming off injury before Andy will play guys with soft-tissue injuries.

Hammock Parties 10-31-2022 11:12 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In his first presser since the bye week, Andy Reid confirms that Kadarius Toney is healthy.<br><br>&quot;I&#39;m not expecting him to learn the whole offense in one day. ... I&#39;m sure he&#39;ll pick it up relatively fast.&quot;</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1587128359208747008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

kcbubb 10-31-2022 11:12 AM

I’m also wondering if he starts at kick returner and pacheco gets more touches as an rb?

htismaqe 10-31-2022 11:13 AM

He's going to play against the Titans. It may only be a few snaps but he's going to play.

-King- 10-31-2022 11:22 AM

Oh yeah! Let's get this shit in motion

Megatron96 10-31-2022 12:07 PM

So I was watching a Chiefs podcast last night, and apparently Toney may or may not be a good punt/kick returner. He's only returned something like 16 punts/kicks between college and the NFL. And he had some drops doing it in college.

Now Toub is the best ST coach ever, so maybe it's just a question of coaching him up properly. No question the Chiefs coaching staff is the best he's ever been around, so there's plenty to be optimistic about, but Toney may not be our answer this season as a returner. Just saying.

But it also means Toney may not be returning kicks/punts right now.


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