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TambaBerry 04-10-2020 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14896814)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Firmly believe that Willie Gay, Jr. will be the steal of the 2020 NFL Draft. <br><br>✅ 4.46 40-yard dash <br>✅ 39.5 inch vertical <br>✅ 11’4” broad jump<br><br>These are back-to-back plays against Alabama in 2018: <a href="https://t.co/6tD1397vXo">pic.twitter.com/6tD1397vXo</a></p>&mdash; Cole Patterson (@colelpatterson) <a href="https://twitter.com/colelpatterson/status/1247296301580062720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Watch him close...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wish he&#39;d trust his eyes more because when Willie Gay Jr. clicks into a running play his closing speed is insane. Absolute missile to the ball. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Patriots?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Patriots</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFLDraft?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFLDraft</a> <a href="https://t.co/70P4Y1Er3s">pic.twitter.com/70P4Y1Er3s</a></p>&mdash; Evan Lazar (@ezlazar) <a href="https://twitter.com/ezlazar/status/1247263246379253764?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I took him with the 104th pick in our mock

Mecca 04-10-2020 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 14897945)
Willie Gay is not a good football player. Cool athlete, but that's it.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Willie Gay Jr: 93.9 PFF coverage grade since 2017<br><br>1st among NFL Draft LBs <a href="https://t.co/oBYJVRgQid">pic.twitter.com/oBYJVRgQid</a></p>&mdash; PFF Draft (@PFF_College) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1245750338319073280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yea that says he can't play...

Mecca 04-10-2020 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 14898368)
I took him with the 104th pick in our mock
Yea he's going way higher than that.

staylor26 04-10-2020 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 14897945)
Willie Gay is not a good football player. Cool athlete, but that's it.
This is a really lazy take.

KCrockaholic 04-10-2020 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14898373)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Willie Gay Jr: 93.9 PFF coverage grade since 2017<br><br>1st among NFL Draft LBs <a href="https://t.co/oBYJVRgQid">pic.twitter.com/oBYJVRgQid</a></p>&mdash; PFF Draft (@PFF_College) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1245750338319073280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yea that says he can't play...
Cool, play him at safety then. Until he can not be reckless in pursuit angles and unable to instinctively react to an offense then I don't want him anywhere near the line.

KCrockaholic 04-10-2020 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14898379)
This is a really lazy take.
Ok, here's my take then.

He takes truly terrible pursuit angles and tends to just go in a direction rather than reading the play unfolding and reacting. When his angle is correct he can be a fierce and fearless hitter. Doesn't have natural instincts and can be caught out of position too easily. Has average speed sideline to sideline despite his awesome 40 of 4.46. He's not strong at the POA, gets pushed around easily. Drawn out of position easily on play fakes. Closing speed is great and can be very disruptive when shooting a gap blitzing. His problem is there's too much guessing going on and not enough football IQ to understand where to be after the snap. I'd rather have Akeem Davis Gaither, who actually understands assignments and can make consistent plays.

Great athlete. Not a great football player.

cmh6476 04-10-2020 08:12 AM
•1st round - No. 32 overall
CB
•2nd round - No. 63 (from San Francisco)
LB
•3rd round - No. 96
OL
•4th round - No. 138
DL
•5th round - No. 177
RB

O.city 04-10-2020 08:13 AM
So much of the ILB spot is about instincts. I dunno that you can really teach that.

MahomesMagic 04-10-2020 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 14898410)
Ok, here's my take then.

He takes truly terrible pursuit angles and tends to just go in a direction rather than reading the play unfolding and reacting. When his angle is correct he can be a fierce and fearless hitter. Doesn't have natural instincts and can be caught out of position too easily. Has average speed sideline to sideline despite his awesome 40 of 4.46. He's not strong at the POA, gets pushed around easily. Drawn out of position easily on play fakes. Closing speed is great and can be very disruptive when shooting a gap blitzing. His problem is there's too much guessing going on and not enough football IQ to understand where to be after the snap. I'd rather have Akeem Davis Gaither, who actually understands assignments and can make consistent plays.

Great athlete. Not a great football player.

I watched Gay against Louisville. Yeah, he looks like a special teams guy at the NFL level because he can't play linebacker. There was one snap where he looked really good and shot through and took someone down. But the rest of the plays made me think that was an accident as he was constantly taking bad angles.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/y_0N9nY6tDA" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Mecca 04-10-2020 09:25 AM
At the same time...

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/rP156TxK4Nc" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

That's as impressive as a game film as you'll see from any LB, his angles need work no question but if you have faith in your coaching staff that shouldn't be an issue.

staylor26 04-10-2020 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14898596)
At the same time...

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/rP156TxK4Nc" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

That's as impressive as a game film as you'll see from any LB, his angles need work no question but if you have faith in your coaching staff that shouldn't be an issue.
Exactly. You and I both know that I’m not quite as high on Gay as you are, but it’s obvious that a lot of people haven’t watched this Alabama game because the guy has absolutely flashed against the best of the best.

O.city 04-10-2020 09:28 AM
I dunno. Angles and instincts at LB are similar to accuracy issues for a QB. I don't know how much of that can really be "taught".

I'm assuming he woudln't be the pick at 32 and more likely a 2nd rounder? Or are we talking about him at 32?

Mecca 04-10-2020 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14898609)
Exactly. You and I both know that I’m not quite as high on Gay as you are, but it’s obvious that a lot of people haven’t watched this Alabama game because the guy has absolutely flashed against the best of the best.
The thing that is throwing me off, is if he had all the shit people are throwing out as why we can't pick him, more playing time, no suspension, better angles, then guess what, he's being picked around #12 not 32, those issues are why we have a shot at this dude.

Mecca 04-10-2020 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14898616)
I dunno. Angles and instincts at LB are similar to accuracy issues for a QB. I don't know how much of that can really be "taught".

I'm assuming he woudln't be the pick at 32 and more likely a 2nd rounder? Or are we talking about him at 32?
Last I saw dudes with legit connections think at worst he goes by 40.

MahomesMagic 04-10-2020 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14898616)
I dunno. Angles and instincts at LB are similar to accuracy issues for a QB. I don't know how much of that can really be "taught".

I'm assuming he woudln't be the pick at 32 and more likely a 2nd rounder? Or are we talking about him at 32?
Agreed. Instincts are a trait. Why in the world would you spend a high pick on a linebacker that has poor instincts?

What we need is an eraser...a guy that can diagnose the run and pass and has range..covering up mistakes and erasing them. That's what we need.

Look at Devin Bush last year. That's what a linebacker looks like.


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