Forgot about Rodgers. You quoted me too quick.

Rothlisberger doesn't get alot of love on this board. He's really good.

Eli has just gotten lucky to win the 2 SB's he has. The Giants were never the best team in the league when they won their SB's. Heck, they were never one of the 5 best teams in the league when they won their SB's.

They just caught some breaks in the playoffs/SB and they won. Eli is good but he is starting to get overrated because of the second SB.

The best team doesn't always win the SB, and that's more true recently than in the past.

But the QB that steps up and makes the plays in the clutch is the QB that leads his team to the SB.

Eli has done that in both playoff runs, and both SBs.

His numbers in the regular season last year put him in the upper echelon.

His clutch play and toughness in the playoffs put him among the best.

I agree that Eli has come up big in big spots but he is too inconsistent for me. He threw like 25 or 30 picks a couple years ago.

In my mind Eli is a more fortunate version of Tony Romo. Both are good QB's but Eli has had things go his way and Romo hasn't.

Basically Eli is clutch and Romo is a choker. At least so far.

You're still an idiot.

If he gets lucky a couple of times, then you have something.

But when you consistently come up big in big moments, that is not luck.

All the QBs listed before Roethlisberger (Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Eli) are great 4th quarter QBs. Roethlisberger is with those guys on that list. He's possibly better than Brees and Rodgers under 2 minutes. If he ever finds a way to be a great QB for the first three quarters of those games, he'll work his way onto their level.

With the exception of Eli, all of those QBs have had postseason success without particularly great defenses. I'd like to see Roethlisberger play for a team like the Vikings who have some great weapons on offense but absolutely no defense. I can tell you this- he'd have to start playing clutch for all four quarters just like the other guys do.

OK.

If Tyree doesn't catch that ball off of his helmet and Manningham doesn't catch that ball with both feet in bounds you wouldn't be saying that. Hell forget about the Manningham play, if Kyle Williams doesn't shit the bed twice you wouldn't be claiming Eli was a top 3 QB.

Milkman - I'm starting to lose any iota of respect I’ve had for your FB opinions based on your recent comments on QB rankings.
It’s a sad day when I admit Knowmo actually has his head on his shoulders compared to you. His post speaks volumes to the idiocy of the Eli band wagon. He’s a mouth breathing sissy pants who happened to have an awesome defense and got very lucky twice. To insinuate that he’s a better QB than his brother is an insult to the game of football. You are hereby banished from commenting on QB rankings until you smarten’ up young man.
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Wow! It's hard to pass up this teachable moment:


I'll take Eli over Rogers, Brees or Brady any day. The status of an elite quarterback is that he makes the players around him better - Eli has made UDFA, rookies, and scrubs into household names - Hakeem Nicks and Jeremy Shockey are the only all-time first round draft picks Eli ever had.

Manning is the new face of "clutch" - He stands among the greatest “clutch” quarterbacks in NFL history. (Google it). *Be careful with quarterback stats - Most of them are useless.

The following article is not behind the WSJ's paywall:

The Wall Street Journal
Excerpts: A Closer Look at Eli's Interceptions

The Giants Quarterback Had Plenty of 'Help' in Recording a League-Leading 25 Picks Last Year; Tips, Poor Routes, Bad Luck

By By ADITI KINKHABWALA

Twenty-five interceptions.

Only 14 of Manning's 2010 interceptions were solely on him. To be sure, other quarterbacks are also victimized by poor route-running, tipped balls, good defense and bad luck, but Manning's exceptionally high interception total wouldn't have happened without so many issues beyond his control.

Eli’s interceptions came on dropped or tipped balls by his receivers. When you remove those interceptions from Eli’s ledger, his interception rate is right in line with his 2009 numbers at 2.8%,

Sept. 12 vs. Carolina, W 31-18
No. 1 — 1st quarter, 11:10, 2nd and 18 at NYG 36, 0-0
Receiver Hakeem Nicks sets out on an in cut. When the free safety crashes the slot receiver, Nicks is forced inside the yard numbers, instead of outside. That takes him out of the spot Manning throws to and when the ball is therefore a bit behind him, it glances off his hands and into safety Charles Godfrey's. Nicks needs to straighten up, work his way back outside the numbers and then cut in.
Blame: RECEIVER

No. 2 — 2nd quarter, 9:32, 3rd and 20 at NYG 47, NYG 7-6
With Carolina in a Tampa-2 and his receivers covered, Manning properly checks down to wide-open running back Ahmad Bradshaw—who doesn't catch the totally catchable ball and instead tips it to linebacker James Anderson.
Blame: RECEIVER

No. 3 — 4th quarter, 7:11, 3rd and 5 at NYG 25, NYG 31-16
Carolina is in a single high, with one deep safety. Manning sees Ramses Barden win his route and throws the ball where only a 6-6 receiver can catch it. Barden jumps, gets two hands on the ball – and tips it to Godfrey. Can a pass be too high if a 6-6 receiver gets two hands on it? Blame: RECEIVER
Sept. 19 at Indianapolis, L 38-14

No. 4 — 2nd quarter, 9:33, 1st and 10 at NYG 20, IND 14-0
Manning underthrows a deep ball to receiver Steve Smith, who's shaken the cornerback and beaten the safety. At the Colts' 20-yard line, Smith would have caught it and scored. At the 26, safety Jerraud Powers intercepts it.
Blame: MANNING

Read the rest here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...658719968.html


After winning a second Super Bowl in four years - We should refer to Peyton as Eli's brother. :D

Stupid post. Please go back to lurking.

This is dumb **** off

The QB's job is to put the ball in a place where the WR is able to make a play. Eli Manning did that while in a heap of trouble. Call it luck, or whatever you want, but what i got from that play was Eli refusing to give up on the play. Eli breaking away from a sack, gathering himself making a strong throw and putting it in a spot where his WR could attempt to make a catch. Doesnt sound like luck to me, and if it is, they made their own luck by stepping up.

Matt Cassels game against the Chargers sums up what kinda qb he is. lol Just shit the bed and threw the ball to the wrong person when it Mattered the most.

Suck it haters


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