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What would be your perfect scenario to beef up the defense? (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=236898)

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7176650)

Blaine Gabbert, Nick Foles, Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley.

Luck is by no means a shoo-in to declare.

But how about the other 3? 1 or 2 might come out this year instead of next. Though Foles will be doing himself a disservice if he did, due to his injury.

I agree though that if all 4 stay next years QB draft bunch will be great. Especially when, it seems, every year a new name or 2 also pop up and added to the list.

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Originally Posted by Shox (Post 7176977)

I think it is becoming obvious we need help pretty much anywhere you look. I think the #2 thing we need behind a new QB is an emotional leader. We do not seem to have anyone who gets everyone fired-up.

We need to sign two FA starters, two rookie starters, and replace a handle full of backups from this offseason.

Assuming the QB does not change the top 4 replacements should be
1. WR to start replace Chambers
2. NT to shore up the middle of the D
3. OLB to replace Vrabel
4. OL to replace (Waters or Weigman, I don't think both will be back)

Oline: Albert, Lilja, Asamoah are the only quality NFL lineman we have. Richardson appears he might be ok, Wiegman and Waters are ready for retirment.

RB: Charles is a stud, but he needs someone to help with the carries. Jones should not brought back he is being totally overhyped. Battle should have been replaced already.

WR: Bowe is the only starter we have. McCluster will be a nice slot receiver. Need to see more of Tucker. The remainder of the group should be gone.

QB: We have a #2 QB.

Dline: Dorsey is the only quality starter. A couple decent role/depth players....Edwards, Smith, Gilberry.

LB: DJ and Hali. Vrabel should not be back. Studebaker and Bulcher are decent backups, but the rest are not very good.

DB: This group is in pretty good shape. I think Carr needs to be replaced as a starter. I'm not sure Arenas is the answer. Flowers, Berry, Carr, Lewis, Arenas, McGraw, Leggitt

I think your analysis is too pessimistic. Some of the players you mentioned deserve a bit more credit and will perform better when glaring holes are filled which makes the whole TEAM perform better.

Take Cody in the second round. He could help at the NT position. Sorry.

Free Agent pickups

LB Lamar Woodley
LB David Harris

Would it be too much to hope Ngata becomes a FA? :D

Bottom line is the Chiefs defense just isn't talented.

You have two solid players in Brandon Flowers, and Tamba Hali. The rest are either trash, rookies, or average at best players.

Glenn Dorsey, for example, is an average at best player. Coming out of college, he was built up as this great pass rushing defensive lineman that's going to somehow revolutionize the defensive tackle position. In reality? He's one of the worst pass rushing dlineman in the NFL.

Derrick Johnson is another average player. Sure he makes interceptions from time to time, and also has a lot of tackles. Big deal. Anybody who watches this bust play can tell you that most of his tackles come 5+ yards down the field. And wasn't it just a year ago when Todd Haley benched him? And yet, now Scott Egoli gives the bust an extension? ROFL!

Eric Berry is a rookie, but that doesn't mean he gets a pass for piss poor pathetic play. You look at the kid's stats and say "Wow, this guy has two interceptions and two sacks. He must be good!". In reality, his two picks came off two of the worst passes I've ever seen. All Berry had to literally do was catch the ball, his picks required no skill or talent to make. Eric Berry is a good in the box safety, but as you saw last sunday, he's also a huge liability in coverage. Don't let his forty time fool you, Eric Berry is slow and teams will take advantage of that for as long as he is in the league. This guy was the number five overall pick, and has done basically nothing to justify that selection yet. If you wanted a slow, stiff, liability in coverage safety, you should have just kept Benard Pollard. Sad thing is, Pollard might actually be better than Berry. At least he can hit.

Tyson Jackson is a bust. Brandon Carr sucks. John McGraw is a country music star. Andy Studebaker shouldn't be on a NFL roster, same goes for Shaun Smith, and Kendrick Lewis.

Like I said, you have two good players on defense and those are Hali, and Flowers. But even those two players happened to have major flaws. Brandon Flowers is slow, and gets burnt by speed receivers as we saw two weeks ago when rookie Jacoby Ford made him his lil' bi'tch. And Tamba Hali is a good player, he really is. But the truth is he has limited pass rushing moves. He is a bull rusher through and through. You stop his bull rush, and he's done. Ryan Clady absolutely dominated Tamba all day. It was a joy to watch.

The point of what I'm try to say is, you shouldn't expect much from this defense that is so deprived of talent. You should give Romeo Crennel credit for this defense not getting fully exposed until week 10.

~Championship

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7176063)

I still think these guys are gonna keep Cassel and try to give him a premier weapon with that first rounder.

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 7176078)

The only way this team is getting a premier weapon for Cassel is if they tank hard and pick 15 or better.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7176094)

dont be so sure.

This years draft should feature at least 4 first round talents at WR and WRs tend to drop a bit more than other positions.

I could see Baldwin dropping to where we pick and at this point, I think he has a really good chance at being our top pick

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 7176106)

If he's a 4.4 40 guy he's going before 15, and he claims he's a 4.3 guy and if he's that he has a chance to be a top 8 guy.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7176283)

I dont think I would take Floyd or Julio Jones if they were on the board, no matter where we pick in the first.

Floyd isnt available enough to warrant a very high pick and Julio Jones drops as many passes as Bowe.

No way Green is there when we pick, but I could see Baldwin being there and if he is, he would be a good pick.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7176337)

I actually think we may have a worse record next year than this year just because of the schedule difference.

My hope is that we pick up a burner WR, a NT, and a pass rusher from this draft. Hopefully we'll finally be willing to address the QB in 2012 in what should be a tremendous draft class for that position.

I'm not of the belief that we need a Johnny Baldwin or AJ Green, although I would love to pick one if they were there.

The secondary just needs time.

We need another starting caliber pass rusher alongside Hali, because Studebaker is not the answer and who knows about Sheffield's future at all.

Needs (not in order)

1: QB
2: Secondary Pass Rusher
3: Deep Threat
4: NT
5: C
6: Rotational linebackers

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7176590)

defensive needs in order of importance IMO:

1) NT
2) LOLB
3) Linebacker depth

Offensive needs in order of importance IMO:

1) QB
2) #1 receiver
3) Center
4) RT

Overall need in order of importance IMO:

1) QB This team isnt gonna go anywhere until this is fixed and I would almost go full Mike Ditka and trade the whole draft to move up to get Luck if he declares.

2) NT The most important position in the 3-4 defense and if this defense is gonna take the next step, it needs to be bale to stop the run without blitzing much and if we are gonna do that, Ron Edwards is a depth player.

3) #1 WR with consistent hands and enough speed to keep corners on their heels and make the deep comebacks, curls and slants deadly. I think Baldwin would be a great fit.

4) LOLB I still think Studebaker is gonna be a good player or else this would be a lot higher on this list because I think that a good player there would really elevate this defenses effectiveness. If we had a guy like Woodley at LOLB, this defense could be a top 8 unit IMO.

5) Center Preferably a player with the fire and mental strength of Weigman, but with a bigger frame.

6) Linebacker depth The starters are solid on this squad IMO (except for brokedick) and as I have mentioned over and over, Studebaker can be a player...but past the best 4 linebackers on this team, we are really lacking. We need depth at all four linebacker spots.

7)Running back Some of you may think I am crazy by listing this here over right tackle or a couple other needs, but Thomas Jones isnt gonna play forever and Charles inst a guy that can handle a huge load for the long term and even though I like Battle, I dont think he is a long term guy either. We could use a young Thomas Jones type back.

8) Right tackle Barry is doing alright, but he got pulled for Ryan Ocal in the last game and IMO neither are a long term answer for a superbowl quality team. This is an area that I wouldnt be totally opposed to using a second or third rounder on.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7176594)

With Asamoah and Lilja on the squad, I dont see OG as a need.

lots of win

cant sleep,reading through old threads concerning Baldwin.

I remember Chimpionship...what a dumbass.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7804907)

lots of win

cant sleep,reading through old threads concerning Baldwin.

Damn dude. You are like nostradamus. You nailed it pretty good. Pioli has addressed our needs pretty good. I love what this team is growing into.

Although our schedule is way, way tougher this year, I think the division will be a little easier with raiders and broncos with first year head coaches, and we have done the most to improve the roster within the division.

I also think the chargers have grown use to choking, it's all they know to do now and they didn't improve enough or address their main areas of weaknesses to try and change that. Turner should have been Fired long ago and they will prove to disapoint their fans once again and I wouldn't be surprised if special teams doesn't bite them once again.

Once we get the division, anything can happen.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7176283)

ho lee szet

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7176283)

Scott? Is that you?

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9886962)

ho lee szet

Meh. Everyone gets shit wrong. Our success rate isn't much different than NFL GM's.

Projecting is a difficult thing, especially for fans with very limited access to information. Hell, NFL clubs have tons of info on prospects and STILL get it wrong.

I don't agree with Boss's statement though. I woulda taken Julio Jones in a heartbeat back then.