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BossChief 08-01-2009 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 5939793)
His receivers weren't great at catching them. I saw Moss drop at LEAST two passes over 30 yards. Gaffney dropped one.

you talking the Moss that broke the nfl record for td receptions the year before?

Cassel overthrew many more passes to Moss than he actually dropped.

After ten or so games, he got much better at timing with his recievers and I look for it to take at least 6 or seven before he does here as well. His deep ball will take more time.

I wish Gaffney hadnt signed with Denver so quick, he would have been a good addition we surely would have added.

Hammock Parties 08-01-2009 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 5939817)
you talking the Moss that broke the nfl record for td receptions the year before?
.

Yes, I am.

And Moss dropped AT LEAST three touchdown passes last year.

Mecca 08-01-2009 04:32 AM

Actually it's a valid concern because the talent he's playing with is vastly different.

Cassel could have a horrendous year while doing exactly what he did in NE and people will completely flip out if it happens.

I don't think any receiver the Chiefs send out will get a double team, so someone is going to have to establish themselves as someone the defense is worried about. Bowe is the likely candidate but he'll have to prove he can he's always just been singled before with Gonzalez being here.

A lot of how Cassel looks this year is going to come down to Larry Johnson, if he can atleast be good enough I think Cassel will be alright, if he's not Cassel is going to get his brains beat in behind the line.

Mecca 08-01-2009 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 5939814)
What the hell.

Cassel was a hell of a lot more than a one-read quarterback last year.

He was only more than 1 read when he was in the shotgun...late in the year he was exclusively in the shotgun because of how wide of a difference he is from that to under center.

But it was also obvious when watching them play that was told at some point not to take huge chances and to take a sack or tuck it and run instead of turning it over.

I think his sack number from last year is a little overblown because he took some sacks instead of taking a risk numerous times.

I think he'll get sacked less and probably not hold the ball as long but end up throwing more picks because of the different situation and team.

Rausch 08-01-2009 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 5939789)
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**** this.

Here's where I have to step in.

You don't get to quote Dr. Cox.

EVER.

Not for any reason, or to help relay any thought you might have that he could clearly better illustrate.

YOU ARE DR. DORIAN.

You're the guy Cox would ****ing ridicule until the sun set and when he went to sleep would dream of new ways to emasculate come the morning.

Hammock Parties 08-01-2009 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5939823)
He was only more than 1 read when he was in the shotgun...

Ridiculous.

You're throwing out garbage, Mecca. I saw Cassel make play action fakes (you know, after taking a snap from center?) and look at more than one receiver.

Mecca 08-01-2009 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Rising (Post 5939813)
Bowe = Lamar Odom. Physical skills that should determine dominance matched with an inconsistent effort. They will come up big in games that you don't need. Disappear in games that you need. Without Kobe, and Phil...Lamrs fate would be the same as Bowe's.

I can see Bowe walking as a FA because he is a CP guy. Then dogging it in the playoffs and then making the SB winning 1st down or TD for the Eagles, Pats or Giants.

That's a little early, he's been more productive than a lot of WR's through their first 2 years.

Mecca 08-01-2009 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 5939828)
Ridiculous.

You're throwing out garbage, Mecca. I saw Cassel make play action fakes (you know, after taking a snap from center?) and look at more than one receiver.

Would you like to look at how wide his shotgun to center splits are and how later in the year when everyone says he got better he became a nearly exclusively shotgun passing QB?

We can talk all of his positives but we have to talk negatives too. He has many things to work on to be what people want him to be.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-01-2009 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 5939826)
**** this.

Here's where I have to step in.

You don't get to quote Dr. Cox.

EVER.

Not for any reason, or to help relay any thought you might have that he could clearly better illustrate.

YOU ARE DR. DORIAN.

You're the guy Cox would ****ing ridicule until the sun set and when he went to sleep would dream of new ways to emasculate come the morning.

"That's a baaaad newbie"!

Rausch 08-01-2009 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5939829)
That's a little early, he's been more productive than a lot of WR's through their first 2 years.

After 2 years the most productive Chiefs draft pick at WR in 20 years...

Mecca 08-01-2009 04:46 AM

There are some very good WR's that did jack squat through their first 2 years. It's very early to label Bowe that way, he's still better than any WR we've had in years though all of our WR's during the Vermiel era were total balls...and the ones before that were even worse.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-01-2009 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 5939834)
After 2 years the most productive Chiefs draft pick at WR in 20 years...

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5939835)
There are some very good WR's that did jack squat through their first 2 years. It's very early to label Bowe that way, he's still better than any WR we've had in years though all of our WR's during the Vermiel era were total balls...and the ones before that were even worse.

If he can just make more of those "clutch" receptions, the kind where everyone is holding their breath for when it really, really matters, I think people will get off his ass some and give him some space.

Hammock Parties 08-01-2009 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5939831)
Would you like to look at how wide his shotgun to center splits are and how later in the year when everyone says he got better he became a nearly exclusively shotgun passing QB?

We can talk all of his positives but we have to talk negatives too. He has many things to work on to be what people want him to be.

Look, it was garbage. When you say he was a one-read quarterback you're reducing him to shit. AND I WON'T STAND FOR IT!

Mojo Rising 08-01-2009 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 5939811)
Sorry, this is just ridiculous.

Cassel looked awesome throwing to JABAR GAFFNEY.

Is Jabar Gaffney better than Dwayne Bowe?

Is he even better than Bobby Engram or Mark Bradley?

He has looked awesome enough to carry a clip board for his College Career...and most of his pro career too.

If Brady did not get hurt last year there is no way Cassell isn't your local State Farm Salesman answering your call when you get in your next car crash.

Mojo Rising 08-01-2009 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5939829)
That's a little early, he's been more productive than a lot of WR's through their first 2 years.

Odom is productive too. Very inconsistent though.


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