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BigChiefFan 06-23-2005 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc
I don't think we have anything approaching a traditional 3-4 NT on the roster. And if we did (and we don't), I don't think Allen, Hall or Hicks would be the ends, they don't have the bulk; we'd need bigger 2-gap ends, probably more along the lines of Browning and Wilkerson. Either way, while we may have the personnel at LB, I don't see it on the line. Not for a base 3-4. But that's not really what we're talking about here, so my guess is if that if we're going 3-4 for nickel/long yardage (and I'm not convinced yet that we are, but for the sake of argument), it's probably not going to be a traditional 3-4 look, I'd imagine more of a pure pass rush package, with Browning on the nose, Allen and Hall on the ends, LBs set up for pressure. That's more feasible now than in the past because the speed at LB should make us less susceptible to draws and misdirection for long yardage.
Why don't you consider Junior a Nose Tackle candidate? He's 6'4" 336 lbs. .

htismaqe 06-23-2005 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by whoman69
Most nickle packages are a 3-3-5 while a dime is a 3-2-6. While blitz packages can be created from these combinations, I think a stronger rush would come from 4 downlineman and leave less gaps in coverage from a hole created by a blitz.
Most base nickel and dime coverages have 4 down linemen.

RedThat 06-23-2005 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by HC_Chief
Sims, Siavii, Dalton would be my front-three in a 3-4 scheme. They need only hold the point of attack... those three have girth. If they get their shoulders low, they can definitely hold the line.
So Sims and Dalton would be the DE's?
:shrug:

CoMoChief 06-23-2005 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by HC_Chief
Sims, Siavii, Dalton would be my front-three in a 3-4 scheme. They need only hold the point of attack... those three have girth. If they get their shoulders low, they can definitely hold the line.


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htismaqe 06-23-2005 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan
Why don't you consider Junior a Nose Tackle candidate? He's 6'4" 336 lbs. .
He's not a 2-gap DT.

The only guy on our roster that's ever been in a 2-gap defense is Dalton.

keg in kc 06-23-2005 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan
Why don't you consider Junior a Nose Tackle candidate? He's 6'4" 336 lbs. .
No, I don't. I think all our tackles (such as they are...) are prototypical inside pressure 4-3 types. I don't think we have a fireplug/block eater.

BigChiefFan 06-23-2005 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
He's not a 2-gap DT.

The only guy on our roster that's ever been in a 2-gap defense is Dalton.
Maybe so, but I still think he could hold the line as the nose tackle in obvious passing downs. He's strong as an ox and just needs some reps, IMO.

HC_Chief 06-23-2005 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by RedBull
So Sims and Dalton would be the DE's?
:shrug:
Or Sims and Siavii. Your need size on the line in the 3-4; those three are our biggest/strongest linemen. As has already been mentioned however, they'll need to learn/practice the two-gap system. It's not difficult to learn... just take a bit to learn the footing and how to apply leverage.

Mr. Laz 06-23-2005 11:29 AM
browning is about the only 3-4 defensive end we have.

although they have some young guys on the roster now who have the size to play one.

don't know if any are good though :shrug:

htismaqe 06-23-2005 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan
Maybe so, but I still think he could hold the line as the nose tackle in obvious passing downs. He's strong as an ox and just needs some reps, IMO.
Actually, there was some concern the Siavii lacked lower-body strength coming out of college...

htismaqe 06-23-2005 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by HC_Chief
Or Sims and Siavii. Your need size on the line in the 3-4; those three are our biggest/strongest linemen. As has already been mentioned however, they'll need to learn/practice the two-gap system. It's not difficult to learn... just take a bit to learn the footing and how to apply leverage.
One of the reasons Gun was brought in was because the line (particularly Sims and Hicks) supposedly suffered because of Robinson's 2-gap read-and-react system. Gunther was supposed to move Hicks outside and put Sims back in a 1-gap technique to fix all of our problems.

I should have said in my other post -- the only guy that's been reasonably SUCCESSFUL in a 2-gap system is Dalton.

shaneo69 06-23-2005 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc
No, I don't. I think all our tackles (such as they are...) are prototypical inside pressure 4-3 types. I don't think we have a fireplug/block eater.
The guy with the prototypical size for NT is Montique Sharpe, but he just doesn't have the skill, apparently.

RedThat 06-23-2005 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Laz
browning is about the only 3-4 defensive end we have.

although they have some young guys on the roster now who have the size to play one.

don't know if any are good though :shrug:
I totally forgot about Browning. Actually, we could have Browning and Hicks in a 3-4. That might not be too bad. Then who would be the NT? We don't have that many 2-gap players. Dalton is the only 2-gap player. That's what Htismaqe was saying earlier. So if we ran a 3-4, what do you think of having Browning, Dalton, and Hicks as our defensive lineman?

keg in kc 06-23-2005 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by shaneo69
The guy with the prototypical size for NT is Montique Sharpe, but he just doesn't have the skill, apparently.
I didn't even realize he was still on the squad.

BigChiefFan 06-23-2005 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Actually, there was some concern the Siavii lacked lower-body strength coming out of college...
Anybody can find question marks about any player if they dig hard enough. Just look at Derrick Johnson. Right or wrong, I believe he could become a solid nose tackle.


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