Chiefs fans literally just saw Dee Ford in the best year of his career.

We’ve seen 1 year of Frank Clark.

Zero Chiefs fans would trade Frank Clark to get Dee Ford back. Zero.

49er fans trying to teach Chiefs fans about Dee Ford.

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

We drafted him. We know what he does well and what he doesn't. He is exactly who he's always been, right down to the injuries. And that includes poor in pass coverage and poor against the run, and not strong at the point of attack.

He's a one trick pony and you're acting like we've never seen him play. GTFO.

I think, collectively, we are all kind of embarrassed for you....

I think I remember reading a stat that every one of his sacks last year came on his speed rush. He never had a sack using a second move, bullrush, spin, etc.

Every sack was purely speed around the edge.

The one thing he does, he does well. But that’s all he can do.

What ive learned this past week is that no one outside of the Chiefs Kingdom knows a goddamn thing about the Chiefs defense.

By far the most slept on, under rated unit in the SB. These 9er fans have no idea because they only know what the National Media tells them, and the National Media doesn't have a clue half the time. Even they are nothing more than an echo chamber.

Last time out, Clark turned in a dominant performance against Taylor Lewan and Jack Conklin, two of the best/strongest run-blocking tackles in the NFL.

Considering how well he played against those maulers, it's hard to imagine a relative no-name dominating him in the run game.

Hey dipstick. Mahomes average time getting rid of the ball is 2.7 seconds.

The average time for Aaron Donald to get to the QB this year: 3.75 seconds. Fastest average time to the QB for any defensive player this year.

I noticed that Aaron isn’t a 49er.

You guys are ****ed.

It’s crazy. And it’s not like Frank Clark and Chris Jones are young players that nobody knows yet. That’s what makes it even more lazy.

Holy shit son! Don't forget to put your helmet on before you go outside Corkey

I am speechless that a grown adult could watch both these players and come to the conclusion that Ford is the better player. It defies all reason. Is it pure blind homerism or just trolling? I can't even understand the thought process. Please explain it to me.

They haven’t watched both these of these players. That’s the issue. They’re clueless.

Mahomes is the highest-ranked QB in the NFL when under pressure. That is one of the most important stats there is in the NFL.

Hill isn't the best receiver in the NFL but he certainly is one of the most dangerous. His combination of quickness and speed makes him almost indefensible.

Andy Reid knows that if he runs at Dee Ford that the 49ers will pay the price. They would be better off sticking with Bosa and Armstead.


Shanahan's running scheme can be a pain in the ass. The Bronco's used it for a long time against us. Emmanual Sanders also has a good combo of quickness and speed that we've had trouble covering. We have trouble covering RB's and TEs, so stopping the run and covering Kittles are our main 2 defensive priorities.

Sherman can be had deep, he's a guy that is good at being physical and jumping the short stuff. Mahomes needs to be careful with the short passes before smoking him deep. Sherman isn't fast enough to keep up with Hill or Hardman if they get a good release.

To me, the main issue is still in the trenches. Our OT's need to have a good game. If we just hold our own in the trenches we win. We have a significant edge with the skill positions.

You guys are funny...all sorts of failed logic in the replies here. I'll attribute it to bias rage, LOL.

If you don't know who McGlinchey is, it's more of a statement of your lack of knowledge than McGlinchey's abilities. He consistently grades out as one of the best run blocking tackles in the league. As I noted, however, he has lapses in pass blocking. If you want to see him work against Clark or any other good NFL linemen, go find it yourself.

Uh, if Donald rates as the NFL best getting to the QB at 3.75, why would I be wrong to say that the 49ers need to get to Mahomes within 4 secs? Great pass rushes will have *someone* get to the QB in that time frame, which means either the QB needs to get it off before then, or start scrambling.

So what that Mahomes throws on average within 2.75 secs? Mahomes will get yardage...that's for sure. But the 49ers' defense is at its best when the play goes no longer than 4 secs. During that time frame, they can at least can make a play to either defend the pass, or perhaps go for an interception. But, if PMII can break out of the pocket and extend plays, he'll be able to chunk yardage downfield. The 49ers' secondary is relatively slow and vulnerable on extended plays. They are among the best when the play does not get extended.

Take off your blinders, man. Both teams have their strengths and weaknesses...only a homer can't see or discuss them.

And is there a WR in the NFL you'd rather have for this team?

If I'm starting a team from scratch and am told that I will have an average NFL head coach and an average NFL quarterback, I'm taking Michael Thomas. If you tell me I have Bill O'Brien and Jimmy Garappolo to work with, Michael Thomas is my guy.

But if you tell me that I'm starting a team and I get the best arm talent in football and the most dynamic passing mind in the game to coach it - my answer is Tyreek !@#$ing Hill.

No, he's not perfect for every system. No he's not the 'best' guy in a vacuum. But for a brilliantly creative HC and a QB who's constantly looking to attack teams and can keep plays alive for 6+ seconds, there simply isn't a better guy in the league to add to that mix.

It's not just the speed, it's the insane agility, first step and fearlessness. You cannot ask for a better weapon for Mahomes and Reid than Tyreek Hill.

Could be blind homerism. Clark is the far better all around player. If you narrow it down to pass rushing, Clark may still be the better player but it is a materially closer call. But the luxury of being able to keep Clark on the field for all plays makes him the better player. Period.

You said he would run all over Clark. I said- post that shit. We have video of this guy getting thrown around like a rag doll by Clark and all you have is more empty talk.

Either back up your claims or shut the **** up.

Clark whooped up on Jack Conklin in the run game and I’m supposed to think Mike McGlinchey is going to just own him? Based on what?

Healthy Clark looks like one of the 3 best edge setters in football to my eye.

Mahomes >>>>>>>> Solomon Thomas

Grades out , as in PFF grades out?

That system doesn’t get a lot of traction around here (and hasn’t, not just related to opposing teams).

McGlinchey has a good rep in run blocking, though. So do Taylor Lewan and Jack Conklin, and Clark didn’t get bulldozed by either one of them.

Ford was at Auburn for 5 years (because of a medical redshirt) and has played 6 seasons in the NFL.

He's played a full season exactly TWICE.

He can't be depended on to even suit up from game to game, let alone be a disruptive force.

Mahomes rating when he throws the ball in 2.5sec or less is like 125. I think its 1 or 2 in the league.

I have a ton of respect for Lewan and Conklin as run blockers but I even saw Damien Wilson stack Lewan up playing a 9-tech as a standup LB on one particular play.

People severely underestimate how physical the Chiefs defense is now and I kinda get it because the unit we saw in 2017, 2018, and the first 6 weeks of this season was the complete opposite. But they’ll know the new reality soon enough.

Another interesting note, Suggs has played the 49ers 2x already this season.

And this 49ers offense is certainly no where close to what that Faketriots offense was.

People are actually calling this defense the best he’s ever faced? GMAFB. Not even sure if they are too 5 he’s faced.

What did the Falcons do to contain the Niners offense? They scored 22 points AT HOME against a pedestrian defense. Didn't move the ball particularly well. Just an off game?

They held the 49ers to under 100 yards rushing and made Jimmy Crappolo throw the ball 39 times.

True, which is why he's a league MVP. But SF was tops in the league in pass defense...that rating went down significantly against mobile QBs who could extend plays. PMII may be able to exploit SF's defense under all circumstances, but SF has no chance if it allows PMII to extend plays.

Of course, I thought we were just talking about when both players are at full strength. Ford missed 6 games in the regular season because he's a delicate thoroughbred. Clark is a junkyard dog.

They (9'rs Fans) really aren't that much different than much of the media and the general idiot opposing teams fans we've encountered over the last 3+ weeks. They keep equating our current D to a 2018 Bob Sutton led D and a 1st half of 2019 Spags lead D vs what has currently been playing in the last 8 games. This D has been pretty special over the last 8 games. Why? Because they are finally understanding their roles and playing free in Spags D. Not to mention, we're healthy, minus Thornhill. But, I'd also say that Dirty Dan has been nothing short of spectacular since Juan went down with that ACL injury.

It's why I stated early in this thread that there isn't one ****ing thing these 9'er morons could state that I couldn't get from spending 5 mins on some 9'er knucklehead's internet blog. In short, they're worthless trolls that should be sent to romper room. JMHO

The 49ers had 10 drives that game.

5 of those were scoring drives.

They had a TD drive that took 21 plays. TWENTY ONE ****ING PLAYS.
Three drives ended in FGs. On average their FG drives lasted 7 plays.
And one TD drive that was two plays because the Falcons fumbled the punt.

When evaluating the worth of a player, you don't just throw out the parts you don't like.

Ford's injury history alone makes him a lesser player than Clark and about 15 other pass rushers in the league.

He can't get sacks if he can't play.

Somewhere Adam Teicher was masturbating furiously but had no idea why...

Agreed. When both are healthy -- which I think both are for the SB -- the impact as a pass rusher is much closer, however. Would you agree?

Ford is a one trick pony.

Clark has more power/moves and can still win with the speed rush.

Ford has a better speed rush mostly because of his first step, but that’s probably it.

Saints put up 46 points on that 9er defense

Falcons put up 29

Rams 31

Chargers 27

Seahawks 27




I just don't see that we can't put up a bunch of points against that defense. I think their D is over rated and our O line is under rated not getting enough credit and Patrick is able to move around because that offensive line can let him do what he does .

We will manipulate the 9er defense and do what we want Patricks Will will be done.

Ford isn't fully healthy. He even said so in an interview. I wouldn't be surprised to see him come up lame at some point during the game.

In addition, his inability to contribute in the running game limits the amount of time he can be on the field, which reduces his potential to rush the passer on anything other than known passing downs.

Dee Ford isn't a delicate thoroughbred, he's a one-trick pony with a couple of bum legs. Frank Clark is twice the player Ford is.

The Chiefs against the Cover 3 & Cover 4 (Both of SF's principle defenses)

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Our guys have practiced against Dee Ford it be interesting knowing how the battles in practice play apart in defending him.


I bet our offense has gotten the best of him more times than he did in practice.

Dee Ford has noted that he's not healthy.

He's simply at a spot where practicing on it won't make it worse. He's been talking about his knee giving him fits for a few weeks now.

As for the hamstring, it appears that's probably good to go. But the knee issue is just something he's gonna have to work around and with something like tendonitis, it's gonna keep him on a snap count.

The difference in Ford and Clark as pass rushers is versatility. Ford over 16 games will be a more productive pass-rusher than Clark because he'll face enough teams/Tackles that simply can't handle his speed to build a healthy lead over Clark.

But in a game-specific review, Clark will oftentimes be significantly more valuable. And there will be no better demonstration than what Ford did vs. NE in the AFCCG last year vs. what Clark did to TN. NE handled Ford's speed and in so doing Clark was NOTHING. He contributed absolutely zero to that game. The Chiefs might as well have sent you out there.

Meanwhile Clark went against a damn good set of tackles and played a great game. Because he simply has more ways to beat you.

So Ford, when his primary attack is working, is more dangerous than Clark. But when it isn't, he's not even NFL caliber. He's effectively worthless.

A boom/bust pass rusher sounds wonderful because he can occasionally single-handedly destroy a gameplan. But the problem comes with the bust part. Ford's floor is just so damn low that Clark's the preferable option and by a pretty fair amount.

And this is from the guy who was arguably Ford's loudest defender here and the person most critical of the Clark move. On balance, Ford's just too damn easy to remove from a game outright.

Much like our defense, no respect. I think a part of it is the Mahomes effect though. Mahomes is so great people don't pay attention to anything else.

These 9er fans keep talking about Dee Ford....Dee Ford is going to line up against an All-Pro RT and regarded by many as the best RT in the league.

But not one of them, not a 9er fan, not the national media has even said MITCHELL SCHWARTZ. It's ****ing hilarious. Dude is a ****ing All-Pro and they don't even know his name. They don't even recognize the All-Pro that Dee Ford is allegedly going to come in and dominate.

Fisher is a 1st OVERALL draft pick and a damn stout LT in pass protection and people act like these guys simply don't even exist. "Oh but look at the high round picks the 9ers have on D-line!"

They're going to get slapped in the face so ****ing hard on Sunday.

Ford isn't a complete non-factor in the running game. He's just not an edge-setter.

He's a pursuit player and those have value. Hell, those could have pretty substantial value against a team like SF that will look to stretch the line out on those outside zones. Having Ford's speed from the backside would be pretty nice.

Doesn't help you if you run right at him, but it's not fair to say he provides nothing against the run. Against the Chiefs he's one of the few guys in the league who might be able to stymie the jet sweep actions.

Beautiful

Which puts the 49ers D in a really tough spot.

Are they going to rely on the zone/assign a spy and let the pass rush blast up field, not worrying about him breaking contain? Takes a man out of coverage and let’s him extend plays.

Are they going to have the front four do a mush rush, just slowly pushing the pocket, and containing that way? Gives him more time to survey and throw.

Are they going to play Dee Ford on early downs or save him for pass only situations? If he doesn’t play on early downs, the pass rush is hurt and the Chiefs throw the ball 2/3 of the time on 1st and 2nd, anyway. If he does play on early downs, the Chiefs can attack him in the run game.

Look at the injury report for those games if you want a realistic perspective.

Look at those unflagged offensive linemen lined way up off the ball.

Fair post.

If one is to judge the value of his contentions by the quality of his allies, I'd say it's probably among the least intelligent things I've ever said.

I don't disagree with you. I'm hoping (perhaps without reason) that if they can get the pocket to collapse, Mahomes gets scrambling and the 49ers LBs who all play fast are able to limit yardage on the ground or force quick passes before his WRs are able to break coverage.

Let's revisit my posts after the game...you may come out looking like a genius. Don't succumb to peer pressure.:thumb:

People are actually calling this defense the best he’s ever faced? GMAFB. Not even sure if they are too 5 he’s faced.

And since Jones, when healthy, is on the field essentially every snap (unlike Ford) - THIS is a damn nice little stat...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> pass rush has been significantly more effective generating pressure this postseason when Chris Jones has been on the field.<br><br>Jones ON: 39% pressure rate<br>Jones OFF: 18% pressure rate<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SBLIV?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SBLIV</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a></p>&mdash; Next Gen Stats (@NextGenStats) <a href="https://twitter.com/NextGenStats/status/1222978745977278465?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

You won't be back after Sunday.

au contraire...member since 2017. I like KC...my second favorite team.

Don't you curse at me!!!


Oops. Never mind.......

Only 2 of them are going to be out there most of the time. Who's sitting? Alexander or Greenlaw?

But what smart team is ever going to run AWAY from Dee Ford's side, or leave him unblocked? If he's in the game and you decide to run the ball, you're lining up and running right at him.If you're running away from him, you make sure you at least have a plucky slot WR to account for him (since that's enough to block him out of plays)

Eh, it's not always your choice. Well, not entirely.

If the Chiefs are thinking of coming out with some RPO looks (and you have to figure they will given their effectiveness against zone coverage), there are ways you can align the defensive front to effectively dictate that decision.

Sure, designed runs you're going to probably work it in his direction, but RPO plays, if there's a give, are going to be a little less dynamic. And frankly a DL can just dare you. If the DL shades towards Ford, you're gonna look to go in the opposite direction, are you not?

We did it against TN and largely bluffed them. We constantly gave them looks to suggest we were going to leave the weak side open and then slammed it shut. Well the 49ers could operate similarly and give you a look that all but dares you to run the ball away from him.

The defense can do a little more to dictate the direction you run than you're giving them credit for.

And cows, don't forget the cows. They love standing in the swamps of Missouri.

If you want to use the injury excuse, then don't bring up the Chiefs' loss to the Colts.

They were without Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, Eric Fisher, among others in that game.

Steelers had the #1 defense in the league and the DPOTY and still lost the Super Bowl to Aaron Rodgers, who dropped 31 points.

Steelers defense was better than the 49ers and our offense is better than the Packers

Yeah, that's a good point. Comes back to what we discussed earlier in the week - how much do you change what YOU normally do in reaction to potential for exploiting him?

What’s the excuse for how poorly your offense played against the Falcons? Because I didn’t see any major injuries from your offense that day.

Side note: It looks as though the Niners will continue to use Dre Greenlaw and Fred Warner as its LB in the nickel formation.

How well those San Francisco LB cover is going to be a big factor on Sunday. The 49ers need a real hero effort from them against Kelce and Watkins underneath to really slow the Chiefs' offense with consistency.

The Saints were without 2 starting LB’s, their LG, Cook got a concussion in the 1st half, and they lost 2 of their best defensive players in the game as well (Davenport and Rankins). But let’s just focus on the 49ers injuries in that game!

If Alex Smith is your quarterback, you let them dictate what you do.

When it's Patrick Mahomes - just run your offense. If that means running away from Ford and dealing with his speed if the moment comes, so be it.

Curious as to what those shirts say? Anyone seen the full shirt? Pretenders? whom?

I think it says "NFC Champs" underneath "Pretenders"

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LMAO they appear to be 49er fans but ya makes almost no sense.

Maybe stepping in shit on the sidewalk too often makes one stupid. :)

And the supposed SD games where the cover-3 stymied us -- Mexico city field was a joke, and the second game -- let's be honest -- we thought going into the game that it was almost a preseason game -- then Fitzmagic happened. Zone defenses are not some kryptonite for Mahomes and the boys.

Healthy on offense, big game, perfect weather -- let them keep thinking that their cover 3 is some sort of magic -- let's see what happens.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The &quot;Honey Badger&quot; Tyrann Mathieu has allowed the fewest yards per target in coverage as the nearest defender among defensive backs this season—5.3 yards/target.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SBLIV?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SBLIV</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/B2mVmGJhaG">pic.twitter.com/B2mVmGJhaG</a></p>&mdash; Next Gen Stats (@NextGenStats) <a href="https://twitter.com/NextGenStats/status/1222702089106644992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

RunKC has brought it up before, but Jimmy G loves throwing to the slot. Tyrann should be able to take that away most of the time.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some leftovers from the Jimmy G article. He threw 13 INTs during the regular season. He could have had a lot more. <br><br>There are 8 potential INTs here.<br><br>(According to <a href="https://twitter.com/fboutsiders?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@fboutsiders</a>, 10 dropped INTs led the NFL in 2018, so I&#39;m assuming 8 ranks pretty high this season.) <a href="https://t.co/5aIsfj9Mto">pic.twitter.com/5aIsfj9Mto</a></p>&mdash; Steven Ruiz (@theStevenRuiz) <a href="https://twitter.com/theStevenRuiz/status/1222599745883033602?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Defense hasn’t had a turnover yet in the postseason. We’re due.

Jimmy G averages a little over 1 turnover a game, and he didn’t have one last game. He’s due.

Aw snap. Force that turd to throw!

Most of those are in the middle of the field, which is Jimmy G’s comfort zone. Crowd the middle, Clark/ Jones will get pressure, and he will give us 1 or 2 opportunities. We have to capitalize.

Some love for the Chiefs finally....Greg Olsen is a very smart man. :)

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It’s the same basic gameplan from the Titans game. Stop the run and watch the play action. Jimmy succeeds with play action passing. Even more so than Tannehill.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> brought in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Spags?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Spags</a> &amp; &quot;The Honeybadger&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/Mathieu_Era?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Mathieu_Era</a> to Get them into the Big Game. Now they have a chance to Win it, because Honeybadger Don&#39;t Give A Damn where you line him up....he&#39;s gonna make a Play <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SBLIV?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SBLIV</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/nflnetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nflnetwork</a> <a href="https://t.co/bBMi1l0MQd">pic.twitter.com/bBMi1l0MQd</a></p>&mdash; Shaun O&#39;Hara (@ShaunOHara60) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShaunOHara60/status/1222695131607945216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Also had 10 fumbles (5 lost).