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Mile High Mania 05-06-2016 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12218817)
The QB production will drop simply bc of IQ disparity between Manning and Sanchez/Lynch.
The Broncos struggling OL was masked by Manning in games last year bc he saw the coverages and exploited them. Hell he did it against us at Arrowhead when he made Fleming his bitch. Manning read blitzes and audibled into the right play to counter like he always has.

That's a significant downgrade that Sanchez and a first year QB who's never had to read a defense simply can't provide.


I think Denver will miss Malik Jackson and Danny Trevathan a lot next year as well. He interior rush and speed/experience at ILB really made Denver's defense more flexible.

QB IQ is definitely a huge loss and is not replaced right now.

kccrow 05-06-2016 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 12218804)
Clady didn't play last year. Ryan Harris was playing out of position at LT for us last year, Okung is a massive improvement over him.

Michael Schofield was our starting RT, not Harris or Polumbus. Stephenson is a much better player than Schofield. We also have Ty Sambrailo coming back from injury this year. Our tackle situation is much better than it was last year.

I didn't pay attention that much. Thought it was kind of a revolving door of shuffled shit though. IIRC Sambrailo started out at LT with Harris at RT and then Harris got moved to LT when Sambrailo went down at the end of September? Sambrailo was a huge project from a strength standpoint when drafted and will still be a backup to Okung so long as he's healthy.

I know Polumbus was a backup swing. Forgot to mention that Schofield started most of the year when Harris moved though, but he's still on board. Basically, I'm saying Stephenson is worse than Harris or Polumbus. You'd probably be better off with Schofield continuing to start at RT and hoping he improves. Actually, Schofield wasn't that bad in the playoffs. You're throwing two turds against the wall, question is which one sticks.

Either way, the Broncos offensive line still looks really offensive, which isn't good for a Quarterback prone to forcing turnovers under pressure and another that's a very raw rookie.

BlackOp 05-06-2016 09:57 AM

Denver's defense bailed them out with like 6 or 7 TDs...it's pretty much the main reason they made the playoffs. Those were some close games. Expecting that point production to be duplicated isn't very realistic ...especially when the guts of the interior left. Take Poe and DJ off KC and see if they stay the same...

What if Sanchez gets hurt? They have no back-up with game experience...Osweiler stepped in and salvaged their season. I have to say the pressure to start Lynch would be pretty big...

Sanchez and a shaky o-line is not a good combination.

BlackOp 05-06-2016 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 12218657)
Yeah they did. Sanchez isn't a 1 trick pony with turnovers. 21 fumbles lost, 51 total fumbles in 75 games played. Ouch. That's to go with his 84 interceptions.

For those who are bad at math...that's 105 turnovers in 75 games...I would imagine those 30 fumbles he didn't lose, didn't result in positive yards.

Quesadilla Joe 05-06-2016 10:32 AM

I love how much better our players get once they leave. Malik, Danny, and Brock were all bums last year.

BlackOp 05-06-2016 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 12218920)
I love how much better our players get once they leave. Malik, Danny, and Brock were all bums last year.

I said I thought Brock looked pretty good.....better than I thought he was going to be.

Too bad Lynch wont's have 3 years to learn behind Manning...he'll have training camp and around 6 games to pick Sanchez's mind.

staylor26 05-06-2016 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 12218920)
I love how much better our players get once they leave. Malik, Danny, and Brock were all bums last year.

Brock didn't even play until last year and Malik wasn't even a starter, so yea....

kccrow 05-06-2016 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 12218920)
I love how much better our players get once they leave. Malik, Danny, and Brock were all bums last year.

Brock, sure. Malik and Danny, though, that's just stupid talk.

Malik Jackson was huge for you guys. He's a big loss on your front line. Acting otherwise is just being sour he left and nothing more. Even in 2014 and 2013 when he didn't log "starts," he was really a starter logging starter's stats.

Losing a 100+ tackle linebacker that's also good in coverage isn't a loss? Being injured in 2014 doesn't count as being a bum. The guy produced in 2013 as well. Hope your roster replacement sucks dog shit just to prove how solid of a player Trevathan is.

BlackOp 05-06-2016 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 12218585)
they needed to make a splash and pegged him as the guy.

Yep...now they are on the Sanchez PR hype train. Without drafting Lynch, and not signing Kap...things would be pretty bleak.

Landing Lynch has over-shadowed the reality that Sanchez is the starter for 2016. Hope is important to sell tickets...

I'd imagine, after the draft dust settles, fans are going to come to terms with the situation Elway's ego has put them in...

The future of Denver is, now, squarely on the shoulders of Lynch being able to quickly acclimate to a pro-style offense. If he is slow in his development...it could be a 3-4 year mistake.

Osweiler bailing out...really screwed Elway. He had been grooming him for this exact scenario/Manning's retirement... got caught with his drawers down...

Quesadilla Joe 05-06-2016 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 12218949)
Brock, sure. Malik and Danny, though, that's just stupid talk.

Malik Jackson was huge for you guys. He's a big loss on your front line. Acting otherwise is just being sour he left and nothing more. Even in 2014 and 2013 when he didn't log "starts," he was really a starter logging starter's stats.

Losing a 100+ tackle linebacker that's also good in coverage isn't a loss? Being injured in 2014 doesn't count as being a bum. The guy produced in 2013 as well. Hope your roster replacement sucks dog shit just to prove how solid of a player Trevathan is.

I've said Malik and Danny are good players. People here were saying they wouldn't even start on the Chiefs, and those same people are now saying how good they were.

BleedingRed 05-06-2016 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12218938)
Brock didn't even play until last year and Malik wasn't even a starter, so yea....

Brock won you 7 games.....

Quesadilla Joe 05-06-2016 11:11 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Gary Kubiak has yet to leave the drills Paxton Lynch is running. Lynch has also taken every snap from under center. No surprise on either</p>&mdash; James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/728632890968285186">May 6, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/PaxtonLynch">@PaxtonLynch</a> practicing from under center at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Broncos?src=hash">#Broncos</a> Rookie Camp <a href="https://t.co/Z5aDKwyyKV">pic.twitter.com/Z5aDKwyyKV</a></p>&mdash; 104.3 The FAN (@1043TheFan) <a href="https://twitter.com/1043TheFan/status/728631332427825154">May 6, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Quesadilla Joe 05-06-2016 11:20 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">John Elway out watching Paxton Lynch at practice. <a href="https://t.co/WKsH9itZXH">pic.twitter.com/WKsH9itZXH</a></p>&mdash; James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/728634935393689600">May 6, 2016</a></blockquote>
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RunKC 05-06-2016 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 12218920)
I love how much better our players get once they leave. Malik, Danny, and Brock were all bums last year.

CC: Donald Stephenson

Mile High Mania 05-06-2016 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12218955)
Yep...now they are on the Sanchez PR hype train. Without drafting Lynch, and not signing Kap...things would be pretty bleak.

Landing Lynch has over-shadowed the reality that Sanchez is the starter for 2016. Hope is important to sell tickets...

I'd imagine, after the draft dust settles, fans are going to come to terms with the situation Elway's ego has put them in...

The future of Denver is, now, squarely on the shoulders of Lynch being able to quickly acclimate to a pro-style offense. If he is slow in his development...it could be a 3-4 year mistake.

Osweiler bailing out...really screwed Elway. He had been grooming him for this exact scenario/Manning's retirement... got caught with his drawers down...

The interesting thing is that most here were hoping Elway would be forced to overpay for an 'overrated' Brock and be stuck with him. Now, it's all about Elway getting screwed by his own ego. I get it... this happens on a rival board.

Post-Manning life was a question mark at QB either way. Had they traded with SF, there would be talk about how they screwed themselves there on a guy that flamed out and the league caught up with ... again, I get it.

The key to remember is that most of the fans understand and expect ups and downs this year. Yeah, you'll always have those that believe the train keeps rolling. Hell, just look at the KC fanbase the last few decades... the next year is always full of optimism, as it should be.

Will Denver repeat their playoff performance? Most likely not.
Will Denver make it 6 straight division titles? Probably not.
Is Denver doomed to be a bottom 12 team in the league? Barring injury, no... and I say that reflecting back on 1999.

Denver lost key players - it happens and while the defense is replacing key guys, they're still gonna be nasty and they're still going to be one of the best.

Kubiak will run his offense this year, compared to what happened last year. And, say what you will with what happened in Houston... that offense had success there, albeit inconsistent, but that offense did well with a sound ground game and a nice defense with Jake Plummer - another turnover prone bonehead that came from AZ with more career turnovers than TDs.

We'll see what they do with Sanchez and that core of players around him, there's lots of skill players - the cupboard is far from bare. Sanchez rightfully so will have a leash and if he stumbles or gets hurt, well then Lynch is thrown into the driver's seat and let the chips fall where they may. Starting any rookie QB is a gamble.

We all like to comment on the perils of other teams as if we really understand the many nuances of building a team and how players will work in new environments, but in reality we're all just gas bags. Some with a bit more gas than others.


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