Isn’t ND locked in with the ACC? I guess I don’t know exactly how it works with them being independent but also with the ACC. But ND also had more reason to join a conference with 4 team playoff than they would now with a 12 team or at least expanded starting as early as next year.

Oh, I thought we were discussing success on the court. Should’ve known better.

What’s our “loss?” Has anything happened? Feel free to laugh when KU announces its membership in the MWC. But don’t hold your breath waiting.

Football is the primary factor, obviously, but again...national/iconic brands matter too. KU would be the B1G’s #1 draw for several months per year, in a league full of good basketball schools. To say they would bring nothing is funny.

Straight up the only ways KU isn't in a power 4 at the end of all this is if the NCAA nukes their basketball program, the codependents of the Big 12 give UT and OU some of their money to stay, or the rest of the conferences sit on their asses and do nothing in response to the SEC becoming a super conference.

I’m also assuming the media will be putting on pressure to dissolve the Big12 immediately. I think the Big12 only has to keep 6 members to stay a P5. That keeps Oklahoma and Texas in limbo until 2025 unless the other schools leave for another conference. Obviously Big12 schools don’t want to be in limbo themselves. It’s in literally everyone’s best interest to quickly figure this out and this be the last Big12 season. Which is bittersweet that Iowa State would finally win it, the last year.

ROFL

Imagine typing this with a straight face.

KU’s won 11 of their last 12 vs UNC, Kentucky, and Duke, but they’re going to lose their elite status because they have to face the likes of Mich St, Michigan, Ohio St and Purdue? Good one.

Self dominates familiar competition. End of story. He was well on his way to dominating the B1G with a much weaker program. And the league was better then than now.

The NIL and transfer portal is only going to help him stack his roster every year.

You poor guys have a really hard time concealing your jealousy.

I don't think they'd dominate the league like they have in the Big 12 because the programs around them are better in the B1G.

But to act like ku would suddenly not be a basketball power is crazy.

KU would do well in the B1G. They might not dominate it to the same level they have the BIG 12, but they won't suddenly become an also ran BB program there.

You just beat me to it. Was saying the same thing.

As much as I hate KU and their fans they would be a welcomed addition to the B1G

No, but even their Big 12 dominance is a little misleading. There were four co-champs during their streak and plenty of years in which they had a late comeback and/or barely pulled it out. It was a very dominant stretch by the numbers, but it’s not as if they were vastly better than the rest every year.

There have been a lot of very good teams in the Big 12 over the years. A lot of final four/elite 8 teams. A lot of top 10ish teams.

KU would likely lose more league games due to the depth of the B1G, but I don’t see why they wouldn’t win the league fairly consistently. Every other program is a notch below. And with the changes in the CBB landscape, I expect Self’s rosters to be consistently stacked. Look at the current roster. Thanks to the portal, they’re loaded, despite years of down recruiting due to being under investigation.

Mich St is a step below KU’s level and if you look at their last two decades, they’ve won the B1G nearly every time they were a top 10 caliber team. The difference is that KU is a top 10 team every year.

Big Ten's original plan to get to 16 took a hard turn when Mizzou went to the SEC. They thought SEC had no desire to get Mizzou and they would be there when they were ready to expand to 16 with them and Kansas. They are probably going to have to take Iowa State instead.

The funny thing with all this expansion talk its been like 30 years plan in the works. SEC original expansion plan in the late 80s and early 90s was A&M, Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Clemson and Florida State. SEC is about full circle on that with South Carolina instead of Clemson and Mizzou instead of FSU. Big Ten in the early 90s were looking to expand with Nebraska, Missouri, Kansas, and Rutgers. Yes Rutgers had been on the Big Ten expansion plans since the early 90s. An ACC and Big East football school merger had been talked about in the early 90s. All of this is documented in major newspapers during this time. It's not like any of this should be a surprise it just takes time and right media partners to push it in the right direction.

As long as Howard stays at Michigan that's going to be an elite program. So many good games if you're a KU fan going up against Michigan and Michigan St will be iconic showdowns something I dont think the Big 12 consistently. Then you have Wisconsin, Illinois, Maryland, Purdue, Ohio St who are consistent tournament caliber teams. Not sure if Indiana is done yet think they are still capable of being really good. Then you have the outliers who produce tournament teams Minnesota and now Rutgers and I think with what Hoiberg is building with back to back top 20 recruiting classes will be very similar to those Iowa St teams.

I love this because whoever made it totally left out WVU. It's almost like they are a complete afterthought in this whole expansion.