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rabblerouser 01-30-2020 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14759916)
{psssst: you used penultimate incorrectly. You're essentially telling him it will be the 2nd to last highlight of their season. In other words, they'll have one more. I suspect that's not what you intended}

(Pssst: it's totally not. But you noticed that. They did not. Still not as egregious as "Chiefs have never won a Super Bowl" or "49ers are 5-0 in Super Bowls")

Hern 01-30-2020 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by e3263518 (Post 14759752)
I have yet to see a 49er fanboy name me 3 players on their defense who are better at their respective positions than:

Frank Clark
Chris Jones
Tyrann Matthieu


Tyrann Matthieu would be the only one that would be a starter on the 9ers from those names. Which should say something since those are the only 3 good defensive players you have.

Bosa > Clark
Ford > Clark
Armstead > Jones
Buckner > Jones
Thomas < Jones

Shields68 01-30-2020 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14760043)
Great point by Dan Orlovsky yesterday. It doesn’t matter what the 49ers cone out with. Pat has a cheat sheet.

All he has to do is line up Kelce outside and it will tell what the 49ers are running. They can try to switch it up after the snap, but thay won’t work well with how much speed we have.

And if they want to play man coverage on Kelce with a LB or DB, then we’ll happily take that mismatch every time.

The only way man works is if they think Sherman can handle Tyreke. Just not seeing it, I do not see him being able to run with Hill. But it also will be obvious the Defense they are in if Sherman is not on the left side of the field. I mean really the Chiefs probably will put Robinson out there and have him wasted in overage.

rabblerouser 01-30-2020 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14760087)
Ford > Clark

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

ROFL
LMAO

YOU WANNA KNOW HOW I CAN TELL YOU'RE TROLLING?

BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY POSTED "Ford > Clark"!!!


BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

ToxSocks 01-30-2020 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14760087)
Tyrann Matthieu would be the only one that would be a starter on the 9ers from those names. Which should say something since those are the only 3 good defensive players you have.

Bosa > Clark
Ford > Clark
Armstead > Jones
Buckner > Jones
Thomas < Jones

You're so ****ing stupid.

New World Order 01-30-2020 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14760087)
Tyrann Matthieu would be the only one that would be a starter on the 9ers from those names. Which should say something since those are the only 3 good defensive players you have.

Bosa > Clark
Ford > Clark
Armstead > Jones
Buckner > Jones
Thomas < Jones

This has gotta be Knowmo

ReynardMuldrake 01-30-2020 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14760087)
Ford > Clark

Are you ****ing high?

rabblerouser 01-30-2020 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 14760095)
This has gotta be Knowmo

Gotta be.

ToxSocks 01-30-2020 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14760091)
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

ROFL
LMAO

YOU WANNA KNOW HOW I CAN TELL YOU'RE TROLLING?

BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY POSTED "Ford > Clark"!!!


BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

No, he's not trolling. He's just dumb. All the 9ers fans are dumb. They have no idea what they're talking about. None. Their football IQ is very low. These guys actually believe the dumb shit they say. Because, well, they're dumb.

Hern 01-30-2020 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14760100)
No, he's not trolling. He's just dumb. All the 9ers fans are dumb. They have no idea what they're talking about. None. Their football IQ is very low. These guys actually believe the dumb shit they say. Because, well, they're dumb.


You’re absolutely correct sir.

Good luck on Sunday.

Hern 01-30-2020 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake (Post 14760097)
Are you ****ing high?


I get that you guys are still bitter about the offsides, but Ford is having the better year.

The Franchise 01-30-2020 10:41 AM

Deforest Buckner is better than Chris Jones? Sure thing.

Hern 01-30-2020 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14760118)
Deforest Buckner is better than Chris Jones? Sure thing.


You don’t think he is?

rabblerouser 01-30-2020 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14760100)
No, he's not trolling. He's just dumb. All the 9ers fans are dumb. They have no idea what they're talking about. None. Their football IQ is very low. These guys actually believe the dumb shit they say. Because, well, they're dumb.

No one is THAT dumb. Are they?

Dee Ford at his healthiest and most productive has never once been a better player than Frank Clark. Frank Clark would eat Dee Ford's asshole and ask for seconds, and when there's nothing left but a hole, Frank Clark would **** the hole.

Dee Ford is an oft-injured 2-bit role player compared to Clark. Clark is an animal. They're going to have to pull Clark away from Jimmy G laying broken on the field as Clark is humping his motionless corpse. Mostert better be looking over his shoulder, too, because Frank Clark has a bead on that ass.

The 49ers don't even understand what's about to hit them...but they'll know the name "Frank Clark" by the end of Sunday Night.

ReynardMuldrake 01-30-2020 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14760116)
I get that you guys are still bitter about the offsides, but Ford is having the better year.

Convenient for you, since Clark was hurt the first half of the season. When they are both healthy, Clark is the better player and it isn't remotely close.

Marcellus 01-30-2020 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14760116)
I get that you guys are still bitter about the offsides, but Ford is having the better year.

Name a single metric that shows Ford has been better than Clark.

Marcellus 01-30-2020 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake (Post 14760126)
Convenient for you, since Clark was hurt the first half of the season. When they are both healthy, Clark is the better player and it isn't remotely close.

Ford had 6.5 sacks 14 tackles and 2 forced fumbles

Clark had 8 sacks 34 tackles 3 forced fumbles and INT playing with a bad neck for the first 8 games.

rabblerouser 01-30-2020 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14760116)
I get that you guys are still bitter about the offsides, but Ford is having the better year.

Clark has had 9 sacks in the past 9 games. Dude has been on fire since he got healthy.

Dee Ford is a gimpbacked brokedick ****stick.

In no way possible is Dee Ford having a "better year." Frank Clark gonna Big Daddy Dick the 49ers Oline in the most rapey of ways.

You'll think "Dee Ford had the better year" when Frank Clark has that mother****ing ring on his finger.

Marcellus 01-30-2020 10:46 AM

Chris Jones is better than any DL on the 49ers as well.

Mecca 01-30-2020 10:47 AM

Lots of player jealousy going around Derrick Henry picks the 49ers...Von Miller then picks the 49ers and openly says he just doesn't want the Chiefs to win.

FloridaMan88 01-30-2020 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14760116)
I get that you guys are still bitter about the offsides, but Ford is having the better year.

Wrong again Hernia.

Frank Clark has more tackles, sacks, forced fumbles and interceptions than Dee Ford this season.

Explain how Ford is "having the better year"?

rabblerouser 01-30-2020 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14760134)
Lots of player jealousy going around Derrick Henry picks the 49ers...Von Miller then picks the 49ers and openly says he just doesn't want the Chiefs to win.

I'll bet. The Chiefs made both of those assholes look like third team scrubs.

Straight ****ing scrubs.

rabblerouser 01-30-2020 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14760136)
Wrong again Hernia.

Frank Clark has more tackles, sacks, forced fumbles and interceptions than Dee Ford this season.

Explain how Ford is "having the better year"?

ROFL
LMAO

I'm telling you, Hern HAS GOT TO BE TROLLING.

Marcellus 01-30-2020 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14760134)
Lots of player jealousy going around Derrick Henry picks the 49ers...Von Miller then picks the 49ers and openly says he just doesn't want the Chiefs to win.

I always find picks like Henry's to be odd. I mean if you are going to lose in the playoffs and the AFCCG, wouldn't you want to at least say you lost to the best team in the NFL?


I get why Miller said that.

rabblerouser 01-30-2020 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 14760133)
Chris Jones is better than any DL on the 49ers as well.

Absolutely. Person, Richberg and Tomlinson gonna need to eat their mother****ing Wheaties, because it's gonna be a long day for them scrub ass bitches, son.

Marcellus 01-30-2020 10:53 AM

Watkins will be the X-factor in this game. It's already happened several times the last 2 years in the playoffs. Teams try to cover Hill, Kelce, Robinson etc..and Watkins gets free.

Mecca 01-30-2020 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 14760140)
I always find picks like Henry's to be odd. I mean if you are going to lose in the playoffs and the AFCCG, wouldn't you want to at least say you lost to the best team in the NFL?


I get why Miller said that.

Henry literally should have said "Theyre going to beat the Chiefs using the same game plan we did but better"

I think he's stuck in that run the ball stuff, he had a diatribe about how defense and running the ball wins superbowls.

Hern 01-30-2020 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake (Post 14760126)
Convenient for you, since Clark was hurt the first half of the season. When they are both healthy, Clark is the better player and it isn't remotely close.


These guys are used to playing Clark since he was in Seattle. Old news.

KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN 01-30-2020 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14760125)
No one is THAT dumb. Are they?

Dee Ford at his healthiest and most productive has never once been a better player than Frank Clark. Frank Clark would eat Dee Ford's asshole and ask for seconds, and when there's nothing left but a hole, Frank Clark would **** the hole.

Dee Ford is an oft-injured 2-bit role player compared to Clark. Clark is an animal. They're going to have to pull Clark away from Jimmy G laying broken on the field as Clark is humping his motionless corpse. Mostert better be looking over his shoulder, too, because Frank Clark has a bead on that ass.

The 49ers don't even understand what's about to hit them...but they'll know the name "Frank Clark" by the end of Sunday Night.

Dude! It's lunchtime! :)

rabblerouser 01-30-2020 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14760157)
These guys are used to playing Clark since he was in Seattle. Old news.

Looks like he has plenty of experience making that 49er line his bitch.

Does McGlinchey call Frank Clark "dad"??

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14759901)
Here's Mike McGlinchey taking on Frank Clark...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">#69 Mike McGlinchey wants no part of Frank Clark. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/CK2ydBmtSY">pic.twitter.com/CK2ydBmtSY</a></p>&mdash; Chiefs Channel (@ChiefsChannel) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsChannel/status/1222743171072847872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Marcellus 01-30-2020 10:57 AM

Another interesting thing to think about, Spags held one the historically best offenses ever in the NFL to 14 pts in the SB in 2007 with a defense that probably had less talent on it than KC does.

RunKC 01-30-2020 10:58 AM

Well we broke Von Miller so I understand why

DJ's left nut 01-30-2020 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14760157)
These guys are used to playing Clark since he was in Seattle. Old news.

Yeah - we saw.

Like when he made Mike McGlinchey into his prison bitch.

And I fail to see how this same thing doesn't apply to the 5 YEARS this franchise spent with Dee Ford. Is that not also 'old news'?

And c'mon now - we're not really gonna pretend like Buckner is better than Chris Jones, are we? I mean Armstead I might be willing to have a conversation with you about, at least as to this season. But Buckner?

I mean...c'mon. That's just silly. That's not quite me trying to argue that Breeland is better than Sherman, but it's not far off.

Halfcan 01-30-2020 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 14760149)
Watkins will be the X-factor in this game. It's already happened several times the last 2 years in the playoffs. Teams try to cover Hill, Kelce, Robinson etc..and Watkins gets free.

:clap:

I basically just posted this in the Watkins thread. I think teams forget about him. They are so worried about Hill and Kelce that Watkins in an afterthought.

I think he is going to have a huge game as well.

ReynardMuldrake 01-30-2020 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14760157)
These guys are used to playing Clark since he was in Seattle. Old news.

Hats off to you then. I don't think I've ever seen anyone with more confidence in a colder take since... forever.

DJ's left nut 01-30-2020 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14760118)
Deforest Buckner is better than Chris Jones? Sure thing.

Right?

And I LIKE Buckner. I liked Buckner last season before half these ass-clowns knew the dude's name. I liked the dude coming out of Oregon before he kinda sputtered out of the chute in his first couple years.

The guy's a really nice player and a difficult matchup in the middle because of his length.

But FFS, Chris Jones is the 2nd best DT in the league and really there's probably less of a gap between him and Donald than there is between him and Buckner.

That's just laughable.

Mecca 01-30-2020 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 14760166)
Another interesting thing to think about, Spags held one the historically best offenses ever in the NFL to 14 pts in the SB in 2007 with a defense that probably had less talent on it than KC does.

There seems to be this running narrative among people who talk in some of these articles as "unnamed league sources" that Spags is great against passing teams and will make everything a pain in the ass but when it comes to the run game there isn't any scheme that can alter that.

duncan_idaho 01-30-2020 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14760087)
Tyrann Matthieu would be the only one that would be a starter on the 9ers from those names. Which should say something since those are the only 3 good defensive players you have.

Bosa > Clark
Ford > Clark
Armstead > Jones
Buckner > Jones
Thomas < Jones

Just myopic.

Bosa, Ford, Bucker, and Armstead are all good players.

I'll even give you Bosa being better than Clark this year and likely going forward.

But Chris Jones is better than either Armstead or Buckner. Jones outproduced Buckner in pass-rush counting stats this year despite missing 3 games (and basically 4) - and had just one fewer tackle for loss. Roll it back to 2018 and it's the same story.

Armstead outproduced Jones by one sack and 3 TFL this year, again despite playing 3 more games. Armstead wasn't even in Jones' ballpark last year.

Jones tracks to 12 sacks, 27 QB hurries, and 11 TFL if playing a complete season. Just so you know what we're talking about here.

And as for Ford and Clark... as already stated, Clark has outperformed him as a pass rusher. And he does more than just rush the passer. He sets and holds the edge. He plays the run. He plays through injuries (both have been injured this year, but Ford - as usual - sat his bitch ass out every time he had a hang nail).

Charvarious Ward would be the second-best CB on your team. So would Breeland. Either would start.

RunKC 01-30-2020 11:06 AM

Why would Von Miller pick against the Chiefs? Because we broke his sorry ass.

This was right after his latest ass kicking we have him:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Von:<br><br>“We’ve tried everything, on and off the football field. We’ve tried all different coaches, all different players. I really don’t know what’s going on. If I did, I would be the first to execute whatever plan it is to get everything better. I’m at a loss for words.”<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Broncos?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Broncos</a></p>&mdash; Ryan O&#39;Halloran (@ryanohalloran) <a href="https://twitter.com/ryanohalloran/status/1206332010102448135?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 15, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN 01-30-2020 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14759976)
If the field isn’t immaculate, then the Dolphins need to be disbanded

They're playing in the Marlins baseball stadium!:doh!:

jaa1025 01-30-2020 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 14760133)
Chris Jones is better than any DL on the 49ers as well.

So is Frank Clark now that he’s healthy. They are better at the 3rd and 4th positions.

duncan_idaho 01-30-2020 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14760189)
Why would Von Miller pick against the Chiefs? Because we broke his sorry ass.

This was right after his latest ass kicking we have him:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Von:<br><br>“We’ve tried everything, on and off the football field. We’ve tried all different coaches, all different players. I really don’t know what’s going on. If I did, I would be the first to execute whatever plan it is to get everything better. I’m at a loss for words.”<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Broncos?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Broncos</a></p>&mdash; Ryan O&#39;Halloran (@ryanohalloran) <a href="https://twitter.com/ryanohalloran/status/1206332010102448135?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 15, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I suspect next season to be his last in Denver. Cap number is still huge for 2021, and he's cut-able.

He can come win a ring with Pat after that, though. Call it payback for Neil Smith.

ToxSocks 01-30-2020 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14760125)
No one is THAT dumb. Are they?

.

Yes, yes they are.

DJ's left nut 01-30-2020 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14760186)
Just myopic.

Bosa, Ford, Bucker, and Armstead are all good players.

I'll even give you Bosa being better than Clark this year and likely going forward.

But Chris Jones is better than either Armstead or Buckner. Jones outproduced Buckner in pass-rush counting stats this year despite missing 3 games (and basically 4) - and had just one fewer tackle for loss. Roll it back to 2018 and it's the same story.

Armstead outproduced Jones by one sack and 3 TFL this year, again despite playing 3 more games. Armstead wasn't even in Jones' ballpark last year.

Jones tracks to 12 sacks, 27 QB hurries, and 11 TFL if playing a complete season. Just so you know what we're talking about here.

And as for Ford and Clark... as already stated, Clark has outperformed him as a pass rusher. And he does more than just rush the passer. He sets and holds the edge. He plays the run. He plays through injuries (both have been injured this year, but Ford - as usual - sat his bitch ass out every time he had a hang nail).

Charvarious Ward would be the second-best CB on your team. So would Breeland. Either would start.

I actually like K'Wuan Williams. Not more than Ward, but more than Breeland. He's not as versatile as Breeland in that I don't think he has the size to play outside but he's a damn good Nickel corner who will probably make a few plays on Sunday.

Mecca 01-30-2020 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14760207)
I suspect next season to be his last in Denver. Cap number is still huge for 2021, and he's cut-able.

He can come win a ring with Pat after that, though. Call it payback for Neil Smith.

By that point in his career he'll probably also be ready to stop being a LB and just put his hand on the ground and play end all the time...could see it.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-30-2020 11:18 AM

I just think the idea that Saleh would completely forego everything they do well for this one game is crazy.

Sherman has made a HOF career out of playing zone techniques and now they’re going to ask him to man up this speed for most of a game? It just makes zero sense.

Maybe in some spots, but they aren’t going to do that regularly.

ToxSocks 01-30-2020 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14759901)
Here's Mike McGlinchey taking on Frank Clark...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">#69 Mike McGlinchey wants no part of Frank Clark. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/CK2ydBmtSY">pic.twitter.com/CK2ydBmtSY</a></p>&mdash; Chiefs Channel (@ChiefsChannel) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsChannel/status/1222743171072847872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Originally Posted by Hern (Post 14760157)
These guys are used to playing Clark since he was in Seattle. Old news.

LMAO

Yeah, like i said, these people are stupid.

duncan_idaho 01-30-2020 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14760216)
By that point in his career he'll probably also be ready to stop being a LB and just put his hand on the ground and play end all the time...could see it.

Mmmmhmmmmm.

anaheimkcfan 01-30-2020 11:19 AM

Honey Badger will be SB MVP. I have no analysis or intelligent backup other than a gut feeling that he will make a play that will break the niners.

also

niners' D < Mahomes, Reid and Friends
Garoppolo + Shanny < Chiefs' D

Mecca 01-30-2020 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14760220)
I just think the idea that Saleh would completely forego everything they do well for this one game is crazy.

Sherman has made a HOF career out of playing zone techniques and now they’re going to ask him to man up this speed for most of a game? It just makes zero sense.

Maybe in some spots, but they aren’t going to do that regularly.

If they go man they are going to have to send the house because those CBs won't survive more than maybe 1 second in that kind of matchup.

wachashi 01-30-2020 11:23 AM

From Sheil Kapadia of The Athletic on SB prop bets. He's taking the Chiefs at -1 by the way:

Total yards of 49ers TDs: Over 45.5 (-115)

They had 18 touchdowns of 20-plus yards in the regular season. That was tied for second most behind only the Chiefs. I think the 49ers will be able to hit on some explosive plays in this one, and the over might hit by halftime. If you’re wondering about the Chiefs for this same bet, their over/under is 59.5 yards.

Damien Williams 53.5 rushing yards: Under (-115)

This is Reid’s second Super Bowl appearance and his best chance to take home a title. Only the 2018 Steelers passed at a higher rate than the 2019 Chiefs. You don’t really think Reid is going to go into this game wanting to run the ball, do you? Williams has totaled just 92 yards on 29 carries (3.2 per carry) in two playoff games.

Jimmy Garoppolo 19.5 completions: Over (-110)

Eight pass attempts is not going to cut it in this game. Garoppolo is going to have to throw the ball. He went over 19.5 completions eight times during the regular season, and as noted in our analytical preview, Garoppolo’s expected completion percentage was third-highest in the league. In other words, the scheme allows for some high-percentage completions. I think he’s in the 20s in this game.

Patrick Mahomes 31.5 rushing yards: Under (-103)

The fact that he’s run for 106 yards in two playoff games has bumped this number up. But the 49ers play a lot of zone, meaning their defenders will have eyes on the quarterback. And they’re fast and athletic at linebacker. Maybe Mahomes picks up a first down or two with his legs, but I don’t think his rushing is going to be a big factor.

Number of players to have a passing attempt: Over 2.5 (+124)

The Super Bowl is when coaches empty out the playbook. In Super Bowl LII between the Eagles and Patriots, four players attempted a pass. The year before, the number was three. I’m saying either Reid or Shanahan pulls out a trick play, or maybe we see a fake punt or fake field goal to push the over.

Emmanuel Sanders more receiving yards than Sammy Watkins: (+115)

Sanders has been quiet (just two catches for 33 yards in two playoff games), but he played really well for the 49ers earlier this season, with 157 yards in a win over the Saints and 112 yards in a victory over the Cardinals. It’s not like he’s been phased out. Sanders played 86 percent of the snaps against the Vikings and 75 percent of the snaps against the Packers. The 49ers just didn’t pass a lot. Watkins had a flukey 60-yard TD against the Titans that resulted from a defensive back falling down. Overall, Mahomes has completed just 55.6 percent of his attempts when targeting Watkins. I think Watkins is going to have a tough time getting free against the 49ers defense.

Any player to score 2-plus TDs: No (+260)

There are a lot of great players in this game: Travis Kelce, Tyreek Hill, George Kittle. But scoring two touchdowns in a game is hard. Kelce has done it once in 18 games. Kittle hasn’t done it at all. Hill did it three times. Maybe he burns you, or someone like Williams or Raheem Mostert scores twice, but I still like the odds.

First INT by a player: Tyrann Mathieu (+650)

This is a fun long shot — especially if you’re rooting for the Chiefs. One of Mathieu’s roles in Kansas City’s defense is to be a robber, meaning a low-hole defender who reads the eyes of the quarterback and takes away in-breaking routes. When Garoppolo has thrown picks this year, it’s often been underneath defenders who have gotten him. That could mean Mathieu, who had four interceptions during the regular season.

Player to have most receiving yards: Deebo Samuel (+750)

And one last long shot. Again, I think the 49ers are going to have to throw in this game. In the second half of the season, Samuel had three games when he totaled more than 100 yards. Even though he’s a rookie, Samuel has been one of the best receivers in the NFL after the catch. And he rarely comes off the field. I think he offers good value here.

Mecca 01-30-2020 11:24 AM

Also some film review guys are pointing out how much Shanahan does not trust Jimmy. Showing multiple examples of his poor decision making and how at this time he's only asked to read 1 side of the field.

Lots of, 1 read 2 read and he never turns to the other side of the field, if they aren't there he just chucks it away or well forces it.

ToxSocks 01-30-2020 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14760220)
I just think the idea that Saleh would completely forego everything they do well for this one game is crazy.

Sherman has made a HOF career out of playing zone techniques and now they’re going to ask him to man up this speed for most of a game? It just makes zero sense.

Maybe in some spots, but they aren’t going to do that regularly.

The problem with "everything they do well" is that it completely breaks down on the back end if the quarterback is able to extend the play.

See Murray, Jackson and Wilson, the QB's who had the most success against this D. All of them are "extend the play" kind of guys. Those extra curriculars cause their system to completely break down. They don't have the horses on the backend to survive if the pass rush doesn't get their quickly, and the Qb's ability to escape the pocket really makes them breakdown.

Im tellin' ya guys, man, much like the Titans game: The more i learn about the match ups the more my confidence grows.

Halfcan 01-30-2020 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14760221)
LMAO

Yeah, like i said, these people are stupid.

Does Brett have a crystal ball? It is amazing he traded for Frank and that we end up playing the 49ers in the biggest game of the year.

In Frank, we have a player that is very familiar with their offense and has dominated their O-line by a ridiculous margin.

It does not seem possible he can just shove a 270 to 300-pound man back six feet? His power move almost defies the rules of physics.

A8bil 01-30-2020 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 14760144)
Absolutely. Person, Richberg and Tomlinson gonna need to eat their mother****ing Wheaties, because it's gonna be a long day for them scrub ass bitches, son.

Richburg has been on IR since week 15. Garland is playing for him.

New World Order 01-30-2020 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14760248)
Does Brett have a crystal ball? It is amazing he traded for Frank and that we end up playing the 49ers in the biggest game of the year.

In Frank, we have a player that is very familiar with their offense and has dominated their O-line by a ridiculous margin.

It does not seem possible he can just shove a 270 to 300-pound man back six feet? His power move almost defies the rules of physics.

FRANK CLARK IS GOING TO MURDER THEM!!!

A8bil 01-30-2020 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14760181)
Right?

And I LIKE Buckner. I liked Buckner last season before half these ass-clowns knew the dude's name. I liked the dude coming out of Oregon before he kinda sputtered out of the chute in his first couple years.

The guy's a really nice player and a difficult matchup in the middle because of his length.

But FFS, Chris Jones is the 2nd best DT in the league and really there's probably less of a gap between him and Donald than there is between him and Buckner.

That's just laughable.

Can't agree...I think Buckner and Jones are pretty comparable. Right now, Buckner's not getting the sacks and pressures he got last year because of scheme. 49ers run a lot of twist stunts and Buckner is usually the guy crashing out on the blockers to allow Bosa or Ford to twist to the inside. Sacrifice for the betterment of the team. He's still a monster.

What's with the down votes? Both Buckner and Jones are 2nd team all pro. Buckner would have more recognition if the 49ers didn't suck the last two years. You're kidding yourself if you don't think they're comparable. Now Armstead, he has the stats this year, but he's nowhere near as good as those two.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-30-2020 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14760238)
The problem with "everything they do well" is that it completely breaks down on the back end if the quarterback is able to extend the play.

See Murray, Jackson and Wilson, the QB's who had the most success against this D. All of them are "extend the play" kind of guys. Those extra curriculars cause their system to completely break down. They don't have the horses on the backend to survive if the pass rush doesn't get their quickly, and the Qb's ability to escape the pocket really makes them breakdown.

Im tellin' ya guys, man, much like the Titans game: The more i learn about the match ups the more my confidence grows.

I keep hearing talking heads say that our only chance to win is Mahomes balling out and scoring a lot of points but truthfully I feel it’s just the same for SF. I’ve got more confidence in KC to get 30 points than I would have about SF.

Garoppolo is the one who is going to have to ball out if they want to win, IMO.

Chris Meck 01-30-2020 11:33 AM

Clark's going to have a huge game.

DJ's left nut 01-30-2020 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14760266)
Clark's going to have a huge game.

My money's on Jones.

Because so is his...

A8bil 01-30-2020 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 14760248)
Does Brett have a crystal ball? It is amazing he traded for Frank and that we end up playing the 49ers in the biggest game of the year.

In Frank, we have a player that is very familiar with their offense and has dominated their O-line by a ridiculous margin.

It does not seem possible he can just shove a 270 to 300-pound man back six feet? His power move almost defies the rules of physics.

McGlinchey is not a great pass blocker, and is still adjusting to the power / speed of the NFL. Clark will have the advantage, but hopefully McGlinchey will be up for the game. Some of those clips McGlinchey just has poor footwork and is not in a position to gain leverage. When you see him run over Clark on running plays, you'll appreciate he has more than enough power to overwhelm Clark. He just needs the footwork to do so.

wachashi 01-30-2020 11:36 AM

Clark is an every down defensive player. He's only on the sidelines when he needs rest. Ford, on the other hand, is a gadget player. He's a specialist, which is why his snap count is so limited.

On top of that, Clark has actually logged MORE sacks than Ford this year. So Clark has outperformed Ford at the ONE thing he brings to the table. Doesn't get any dumber than saying Ford has had a better year than Clark. There's not a GM in football that would choose Ford over Clark.

Chris Meck 01-30-2020 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14760265)
I keep hearing talking heads say that our only chance to win is Mahomes balling out and scoring a lot of points but truthfully I feel it’s just the same for SF. I’ve got more confidence in KC to get 30 points than I would have about SF.

Garoppolo is the one who is going to have to ball out if they want to win, IMO.

Unless we have a repeat of the first quarter of the Houston game, we're going to win this, and handily.

They can't cover our offensive weapons.

They THINK they can impose their will in the running game, but so did Tennessee.

Their defensive line is very good. So is ours. They're not going to be able to control the game on the ground.

Jimmy GQ will have to light it up. I don't see that happening.

We just need to play well.

They need us to shit down our leg AND they'll need to play well.

A8bil 01-30-2020 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14760238)
The problem with "everything they do well" is that it completely breaks down on the back end if the quarterback is able to extend the play.

See Murray, Jackson and Wilson, the QB's who had the most success against this D. All of them are "extend the play" kind of guys. Those extra curriculars cause their system to completely break down. They don't have the horses on the backend to survive if the pass rush doesn't get their quickly, and the Qb's ability to escape the pocket really makes them breakdown.

Yep...this is pretty much it. Saleh will have to dial up some interesting blitzes if the front 4 cannot get the ball out of PMII's hands within 4 secs.

Chris Meck 01-30-2020 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by A8bil (Post 14760278)
Yep...this is pretty much it. Saleh will have to dial up some interesting blitzes if the front 4 cannot get the ball out of PMII's hands within 4 secs.


four seconds? That's a ****ing lifetime.

Hill, Watkins, and Hardman are 30 yards downfield in 4 seconds.

Deebo19 01-30-2020 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14760276)
Unless we have a repeat of the first quarter of the Houston game, we're going to win this, and handily.

They can't cover our offensive weapons.

They THINK they can impose their will in the running game, but so did Tennessee.

Their defensive line is very good. So is ours. They're not going to be able to control the game on the ground.

Jimmy GQ will have to light it up. I don't see that happening.

We just need to play well.

They need us to shit down our leg AND they'll need to play well.

What does this mean? You think you’re going to drop 60? Hope your players bring their diapers!

A8bil 01-30-2020 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14760285)
four seconds? That's a ****ing lifetime.

Hill, Watkins, and Hardman are 30 yards downfield in 4 seconds.

It is and it isn't...avg pass play is mid-3 seconds. The broken, backyard play typically runs much longer. 49ers can defend well for 4 secs. Over that, and they will lose coverage on Hill, Hardman, Watkins and Kelce, and PMII will make them pay.

rabblerouser 01-30-2020 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Deebo19 (Post 14760291)
What does this mean? You think you’re going to drop 60? Hope your players bring their diapers!

You're in for a rude ****ing awakening come Sunday, Dumbo.

Deebo19 01-30-2020 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 14760275)
Clark is an every down defensive player. He's only on the sidelines when he needs rest. Ford, on the other hand, is a gadget player. He's a specialist, which is why his snap count is so limited.

On top of that, Clark has actually logged MORE sacks than Ford this year. So Clark has outperformed Ford at the ONE thing he brings to the table. Doesn't get any dumber than saying Ford has had a better year than Clark. There's not a GM in football that would choose Ford over Clark.

Clark - 8 sacks in 16 games
Ford - 6.5 sack in 10 games

You guys are really special on this board. Who knew Chiefs fans are so clueless

Chris Meck 01-30-2020 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Deebo19 (Post 14760291)
What does this mean? You think you’re going to drop 60? Hope your players bring their diapers!


naw, I'm figuring 35-17 Chiefs.

Pushead2 01-30-2020 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Deebo19 (Post 14760301)
Clark - 8 sacks in 16 games
Ford - 6.5 sack in 10 games

You guys are really special on this board. Who knew Chiefs fans are so clueless

All I need to know about Dee Ford.

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/...g?w=1000&h=558

Chris Meck 01-30-2020 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Deebo19 (Post 14760291)
What does this mean? You think you’re going to drop 60? Hope your players bring their diapers!

You gonna come back after we beat you by 20 plus and take your whoopin'?

Or are you just going to be a little bitch and disappear like the Pats, Ravens, Texans, and Titans fans all did?

DJ's left nut 01-30-2020 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by A8bil (Post 14760273)
McGlinchey is not a great pass blocker, and is still adjusting to the power / speed of the NFL. Clark will have the advantage, but hopefully McGlinchey will be up for the game. Some of those clips McGlinchey just has poor footwork and is not in a position to gain leverage. When you see him run over Clark on running plays, you'll appreciate he has more than enough power to overwhelm Clark. He just needs the footwork to do so.

Oh.

Well I guess if he's just adjusting then Frank Clark will take it easy on him. I mean if he's not very good at pass-pro, then we should probably have Clark play with a hand tied behind his back to even things up.

I mean...what the **** even is this?

DJ's left nut 01-30-2020 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by A8bil (Post 14760278)
Yep...this is pretty much it. Saleh will have to dial up some interesting blitzes if the front 4 cannot get the ball out of PMII's hands within 4 secs.

Try 2, bud.

If Mahomes gets as much as 3 seconds to throw, he'll vivisect that secondary.

DJ's left nut 01-30-2020 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by A8bil (Post 14760295)
It is and it isn't...avg pass play is mid-3 seconds. The broken, backyard play typically runs much longer. 49ers can defend well for 4 secs. Over that, and they will lose coverage on Hill, Hardman, Watkins and Kelce, and PMII will make them pay.

Not in zone coverage.

You give Mahomes 3 seconds against a zone and you're done. Good man coverage can push plays longer because you simply run different routes against it, especially with these kinds of weapons.

But presuming you fellas stick with a 2-high safety look and some kind of cover 3 system, guys like Kelce and Watkins will be looking to settle into zones within 2-3 seconds and the ball will be halfway there by the time they settle.

You best hope Saleh's adjusted his internal clock because 3 seconds is an eternity for Mahomes against zone looks.

rabblerouser 01-30-2020 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Deebo19 (Post 14760301)
Clark - 8 sacks in 16 games
Ford - 6.5 sack in 10 games

You guys are really special on this board. Who knew Chiefs fans are so clueless

Clark - 9 sacks in past 9 games (including playoffs)

Good luck, Dumbo

The Franchise 01-30-2020 12:06 PM

Run zone the entire time and Mahomes will just drive the ball down the field in 8-10 plays and score a TD.

That puts stress on your offense because you have to match score for score. One three and out.....and you get behind.

And don’t tell me about us not getting TDs because our offense has been crazy efficient this postseason with scoring TDs in drives. 15 of 21, I believe. And those 6 in which we didn’t count end of half drives and drops by our WRs. Mahomes has been the definition of efficient.

Halfcan 01-30-2020 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by A8bil (Post 14760273)
McGlinchey is not a great pass blocker, and is still adjusting to the power / speed of the NFL. Clark will have the advantage, but hopefully McGlinchey will be up for the game. Some of those clips McGlinchey just has poor footwork and is not in a position to gain leverage. When you see him run over Clark on running plays, you'll appreciate he has more than enough power to overwhelm Clark. He just needs the footwork to do so.


We have video evidence of Clark pushing him around like a little bitch.

Please post video of McGrinchy overwhelming Clark in the run game.

I think you are talking out of your ass as usual.

Toad 01-30-2020 12:07 PM

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RunKC 01-30-2020 12:08 PM

Frank Clark has 11 sacks in his last 10 games.

I’m taking him over any pass rusher in this game


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