Too many wives on the books?

Mizzou might be playing this deal just right.

Sooner rather than later, I would guess the Big 12 gets tired of their shit and would just like to see them gone. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

No, he was basing it off of all SEC teams making an extra $12 million which is stupid.

Incidentally, if you think that the Big XII is going to get some fat new contract without aTm, Nebraska, or Colorado, you're more optimistic than I am.

From your lips to God's ears...

What the hell good does it do to hold Mizzou hostage? Does it really make a league look attractive to other schools? As long as Mizzou is trying to escape, there will be zero stability to the conference.

We want your $$. Thanks.

We agree on this 100%. They need to get it behind them and move on. Two years in a row, good bye.

Kind of like the girlfriend caught cheating the second time, its over and she should not have been given a second chance.

You are talking about a negotiated settlement where the conference didn't want the bad press and ugliness of a public fight in court. That settlement does not automatically have an impact on the penalties that are in the bylaws. The Big 12 did not waive, forever and ever, their rights in the bylaws.

It may be better to again avoid the ugliness of a court fight and negotiate another settlement, but that is up to the conference. Mizzou is not entitled to a settlement if the Big 12 decides they want to play hardball, they have to convince a judge to ignore their contract.

All that said, I think Neinas' public statements that basically signalled a possible unwillingness to bend on the 2 year 90% penalty is stupid. The conference gains nothing from this, either they have the right to the penalty or not. Feel free to talk behind the scenes, but they shouldn't be publicly waving it in MU's face like this.

If MU were to voluntarily decide not to leave, they would need to do so out of a perceived position of strength, as if they were magnanimously doing it for the good of the rivalry. Now, if MU doesn't leave (and people in the SEC don't come out saying they didn't want MU or something), some might perceive that the Big 12 bullied them into staying because of the penalty.

Because of this bonehead move by the commissioner, I think Mizzou only stays if the SEC decides they'd rather have an East team to balance out the divisions, leaving MU with no options, but still pissed at the Big 12 and ready to leave ASAP, basically another TA&M situation.

Bingo

If I'm Mizzou, I'm probably going to be so outraged by this development, that if I had any inkling at all of staying, that is gone now. If, as Mizzou, I have an SEC invite in my pocket, I don't wait. Screw the penalty, fight it in court, and even if I lose, I rely on increased alumni donations and/or bigger SEC payments to tide me over, and even if that doesn't happen, I just eat the penalty rather than allow the public to perceive that MU is meekly crawling back under the cloud of a monetary threat by the Big 12.

The Big XII didn't waive anything, but they did set a baseline. It isn't binding, but it will absolutely be taken into consideration by the courts.

If an intact conference loses a member and settles for $6 million, what damages are due when a member leaves after 27% of their original partners have left?

I would say that if this goes all the way through the courts (which won't happen), there is a better chance of a judge ruling that the contract signed by Mizzou has been voided by the loss of members than for Mizzou to be forced to pay more than Nebraska or Colorado settled for.

I stand by my estimate of 3-6 million.

I don't see the Big12 as the bad guy here, Mizzou put itself out there two years in a row. Just get it over with already.
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Naw. We want their exit fees. Why let them walk when we can make them pay?

This all bolsters our case. Missouri can go to court and say that they were treated in a hostile manner by a conference that should be acting as an advocate. After all, MU is still a member in good standing, has broken no rules, has not stated any intention to withdraw, and has not applied for membership of any other conference.

What we are receiving is nothing short of abuse by the commissioner. Why the **** would we stay in a conference that treats its remaining members this way?

Yeah but that's a double edged sword because the teams calling the shots have basically put themselves out there two years in a row as well. That's where I see the hypocrisy in this. I wouldn't blame MU, KU, ISU or any of them for trying to leave. If UT and OU had their way, they would be in the Pac 12 right now and everyone else would be out to dry.
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Same reason for emptying a dirty diaper pale often, It just smells better.


The Big12 just might be making a stand, to prevent further erosion, I get that.

But the damage to the big picture, just might not be worth it.

I thought I read the SEC doesn't even have the exit penalties, correct? Why accentuate those differences publicly?

Adding to thew funny scene of all these conferences are waiting for schools to apply while the Big 12 invites TCU.

**** that. If Mizzou's holding the nuts (an SEC invite), why would we muck our cards? Neinas is hanging himself, and we need to sit back and let him die.

I either missed, or totally forgot UT and OU putting themselves out there last year. I thought it was just Nebraska and CU, followed by the MU thing.

The SEC builds gates around the community. The Big XII builds prison walls. Where would you rather live?

I hear ya. That being said though, I am kind of excited about TCU and what they bring to the table.

ROFL

I believe the order was MU/Nebraska/Colorado....aTm.....MU......OU......UT

There were plenty of rumors about a Pac 16 last year.
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A lot of information in this thread has been very informative, and my view of the whole subject has pretty much changed.
Some has not.
At first, like a lot of other fans of the Kansas teams, I was just worried what would happen to them.
Not any more.

1) If Mizzou can go to the SEC, they should just get gone and go, bye, and good luck. It was a nice ride, see ya.
2) The Big 12 needs to do damage control, and get the rotten apples out of the barrel now.
3) Whether Mizzou has a landing spot or not, they should be evicted, exit fees or not. It will NEVER be the same, NEVER.

That is how I had it down, with the OU and UT happening this year.

Thanks, I must have missed those

The league will be worthless if you kick out TX and OU.

I don't think Mizzou ought to react emotionally like that. There's apparently no reason for them to rush a decision, or alternatively, since I think a decision has probably already been made, to rush an announcement.

Laugh all you want. Its one thing for rival fans to flip Missouri shit over this speculation. Its another thing for the conference to publicly threaten one of its members when said member has done nothing out of bounds. The conference should be protecting its members, not throwing one to the wolves.

Unless and until Missouri withdraws from the conference, they are a member in good standing and should be treated as such. Keep it up, though. We're preparing for a divorce, and Neinas is leaving threatening voicemails. When the court date comes, the judge is going to get to hear those messages, and I'm sure he will be impressed.

You can't have it both ways. You can't play the "Missouri can wait as long as the Big 12 does so that it doesn't have to pay exit fees" card & then turn around and play the "Why won't the Big 12 just kick us out - they are being mean" card.

Anyone know when shit is gonna' get real?

This is true - outside of the good standing part. MU has refused to participate in votes that affect the conference - eventually, they'll either have to vote (commit to the conference) or say "We're leaving" and deal with the exit fees.

Anyone else think it is interesting that the Big 12 is making this big public push towards equality, yet is forcing TCU to take a partial share of TV revenue for its first five years?

The Big 12 will never learn.

How is Neinas throwing you to the wolves? By saying that he expects you to pay your exit fees as stipulated by the by-laws or did I miss something?

SEC did the same with TAM I believe. B1G did the same with NU.

No, A&M is a full member of the SEC from day one.

B1G did it with NU due to the Big Ten Network. And the Big Ten obviously does not have a public perception problem.

Why? Why would they have to vote or make a new commitment to the conference? There's already an agreement in place.

These positions are not ad odds with one another. The Big XII can either resolve the dispute amicably and let everyone get on with our lives, or Mizzou can play hardball. The end result is going to be about the same. Only the amount of collateral damage is yet to be determined.

No they won't

I guess I'm just making an assumption that eventually...at some point....MU will either have to comply with what has been voted on already, and approved, by the rest of the Big 12 - giving up TV rights for 6 years or whatever it was - or move on.

We haven't refused anything. By all accounts, we were active members in the process and then abstained. There is nothing wrong with abstaining.

So, it's either "Let MU have what they want" or "The Big 12 loses". Gotcha.

True....but I'm saying that I would assume that at some point, you would either be required to vote on it or it would go through without your vote.

I'm sure there is a point of no return where a commitment will be forced on Mizzou if they're still around, but I'm equally sure we haven't arrived at that point yet.

Why is he even referencing exit fees? He should just say that we are members in good standing, and that's it.

He's referencing exit fees because MU is contemplating leaving. It doesn't mean you're not members in good standing and it's not throwing you out to the wolves.

But MU is also going out of its way to make sure the Big 12 knows it wants to leave. Why leak info about wanting into the Big 10.....why leak info about how much money you'll make moving to the SEC....why vote to look at moving conferences?

It's not like MU has been sitting there saying "We are members of the Big 12 and are looking forward to the expansion of the conference."

Well this is interesting....

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2011/10/big_east_continues_to_explore.html

"Rutgers’ Board of Governors is expected to give athletic director Tim Pernetti the authority to pursue conference options during a regularly scheduled meeting Wednesday."

Maybe the dominoes aren't stopping with Mizzou.

Is the ACC ready to go up to 16? Is Big Ten thinking about a move?

Rutgers could get the excitement going again.

Its more like both sides lose. The Big XII might get a few bucks, but at what cost? When you're trying to sell yourself as an attractive, stable conference, do you really want to be publicly fighting with a charter member who wants nothing more than to get the hell away from you?

If you're considering joining a gym, and when you walk into the business office, 25% of the membership has just left for better gyms, and another is yelling about getting screwed because the gym won't let them cancel their membership even though the place is falling apart, are you joining that gym?

The programs B12 is going for are going to love this gym because it's going to make them a shit ton more money than their previous gym.

It's not like B12 is planning on plucking B10 members.

I don't think they're too worried about their "image" at this point.

Who says we're contemplating leaving? Nobody who is authorized to make that decision has said that. At worst, that should be between the Big XII and Mizzou. Neinas shouldn't be airing dirty laundry when Mizzou has said nothing other than "we are proud members of the Big XII".

Mizzou hasn't said that.

Neinas is not airing dirty laundry. He's addressing an issue. All he said is he doesn't believe MU would leave the conference until after 2012 due to the steep penalties they would incur as a result. He's not calling your school names, dog. I don't know why this is bothering you so much.

My guess would be that those leaks are coming from people within Mizzou that don't want to leave the Big 12, not from people who do.

Do you think Neinas is stepping out of line by claiming a school would probably not leave the conference due to steep exit fees?

Yes, he is. The public message should be about discussing any concerns Mizzou may have and trying to resolve them, not about threatening a penalty many times larger than what anyone else has incurred. He's gone from "you don't need to leave" to "screw you guys, we're going to use the bylaws to hold you here for 2012".

Its fine to talk bluntly behind the scenes, but when you do it publicly in front of the media, you don't give Mizzou any way to save face if they stay. That might sound like stupid prideful garbage, but if its close to a 50/50 decision, which this would be only at best, then public financial threats would be my tiebreaker.

you are right, this is very interesting. They would not be doing this unless Rutgers had a solid offer from the ACC or the B1G.

I disagree. I would have no problem if he said he did not believe that Kansas would leave the conference due to the steep exit fees.

Just like Kansas, no one in position to do so at MU has claimed that MU is contemplating leaving.

As far as I'm concerned it's just meaningless noise. He has to respond to inquiries from the media and I would expect someone in his position to play the role of someone who couldn't possibly see Mizzou deciding to leave the conference even if he actually knows they're already gone. (I'm not saying that I know they're gone, I'm just saying they might be and he might already know it).

BYU wasn't impressed. You're competing with the Big East and the ACC. If you want crap schools that are just happy to be along for the ride, go for it. If you want Rutgers or WVU, that's different.

Maybe not in 2006, but this is 2011 after NU, CU, and TA&M were let out easy. I would not be happy at all.

BYU is an odd duck. I don't know that they are in the mood to join ANY conference, unless it somehow became required.

"It's not about the money" is usually a blatant lie, as well as being a silly cliche, but with BYU it really isn't about the money. The church can meet all their financial needs, so its really about them being more comfortable with independence along with their bizarre honor code and refusal to play on Sundays.

BYU didn't want to open their books so they opted to stay independent. You will have a point about BYU when they join a different conference. We'll see how it plays out with L'ville and WVU. No idea why you've brought Rutgers up.

We don't really know if aTm is being let out easy or not. No final exit fee figure has been released for them yet. If them and Mizzou leave at the same time, one would expect the figures to be similar I would expect.

100% agree.

Shouldn't the message be that Mizzou should stay because of all the great things the Big XII has to offer? Instead, Mizzou should stay because the conference has a gun pointed at its members' heads.

He's said that as well. Still not sure what the big deal is.

BYU would open its books for the B1G in a heartbeat.

Louisville is a crappy city school, and neither they nor WVU appear to have any options at the moment. I brought up Rutgers because they have declared free agency and would be a big addition.

OK

That was my point.

The big deal is that MU has made no action towards leaving. Neinas just told his wife that he'll kill her if she ever leaves him, and he did it with the cameras running.

I'm not mad. Every time he opens his mouth, I see $$$$. I can't believe how ham-fisted this guy is. I'm not used to seeing someone this incompetent working outside Mizzou.

So the marketing campaign for the Big XII should be:

The Big XII: Come for the lack of other options. Stay because the doors are locked from the outside.

No, he told his wife that he will take all her money if she leaves as was previously agreed upon in their prenup and happens to be public knowledge.

:)

There is no marketing campaign. Big 12 is trying to add schools where realistically possible. Why are you such a drama queen?

After his wife got drunk and said she was going down to the bar to see who was horny.

ROFL, that is not who I was referring to, as you know.

WHOA, WHOA! SHE HAS NOT OFFICIALLY FILED THE DIVORCE PAPERS THOUGH!

That crappy city school generates some nice revies.

"U of L reported athletic revenue of $74.936 million for the 2010-11 fiscal year during a meeting of its athletic association Tuesday. That was a $22.5 million increase over the previous year. It was $10.5 million more than projected and created a surplus of roughly $7 million, most of which will be designated to a contingency fund for debt payments on the football expansion."

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I'm not sure about Mizzou, but based on what I found, their total Athletic Department revenue in 2009-2010 was $55,674 ,279.

Does anybody have figure for 2010-2011 fiscal year? I'd guess they probably dwarf that of Louisville, that crappy little city school.

Yeah, the Mizzou deal has lost it's burst.