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It would be hilarious if Tyreek comes back after 3 years on a team friendly deal bc he realizes playing for QB’s like Tua really sucks

That contract is massive.

I hate losing Hall of Fame players in their prime like that.

But I get it.

Didn’t mean to downvote.

Is Will Smith still available?

He's on the Commissioner's Exempt List.

I wouldnt be upset, but likely he wont be the same player he is now. He would still probably be a top 15 guy even slowed down a little though. But you still have to worry about a guy that size taking shots and hes had a foot problem on and off for the last few years.

Andy Reid on Tyreek Hill.

It’s what good confident organizations do.

I just don't think he'll be very good when he loses that speed. I mean if he just drops off a bit sure but without his quickness, he's not tall enough to contest a lot of passes and he drops too many.

Everyone has been talking about Veach trading up in the first round and trying to get as high as he can for a WR but I just don't see it. Could Veach trading up have been a product of his "all in" attitude for the last three years?

Is that now shifting to where Veach could be making small trade ups to get the guys he still wants but letting the draft board fall to him?

I don't think they can afford to blow almost all of the value from Hill's trade just to add a WR to this group. And I don't think Veach thinks that either.

I think he'll be fine. He wont be near the threat, but he isn't just a guy that runs deep. He's still very effective in short routes because of his quickness.

Totally agree.

I think if Veach trades up for a receiver it will be around pick 18-20. Try to get ahead of the Packers, Bills and Patriots who clearly need/want one

Its crazy, especially that last year. Which, they'll either extend and restructure or trade/cut him.

With the money he got, I completely understand not wanting to give him that kind of money. Like, he is a game changer, but we can't have a receiver on the team with a cap hit over 30M currently

My personal opinion is that the only way the Chiefs trade up is for the opportunity to nab an elite edge rusher. Nothing else really seems worth trading up for. :shrug:

Yep, this is where I'm at. And I'm not good with him blowing a bunch of draft picks just to go get one guy. This team needs more than just one guy.

I could absolutely see a trade up, but they won’t give up anything more than a 3rd or a day 2 pick next year.

And yea, it would likely be for an EDGE, not a WR.

Yeah, I think I agree with this. They MAY trade up if the board is falling right. But, if there are trades, I think it will be to get into round 5 or another pick in 4 potentially. Just can't see Veach getting rid of the mid round picks in this draft when they've said that's where the bread and butter of the draft is

I agree.

I've been running mocks all morning and what I'm seeing is there's a decent gap between wave 1 edge and wave 2 edge. That gap isn't there with the WR's.

If we stay put, we'll likely have to settle for a wave 2 edge but a borderline wave 1 WR seems to fall more often than not.

I think this draft sets up nicely for them to just stay put but if they do trade up, the real value is at edge.

I'm just not seeing any can't miss prospect at WR in this draft. They all have issues in their game. Some have higher ceilings and some have higher floors.

This talk about Williams from Bama being this amazing WR1 is ****ing overblown. If we trade a 2nd round pick to move up for him....it would be the stupidest ****ing thing we could have done.

Trade up for an Edge only if your gonna do it. Hill isn't being replaced. Deep draft for WR. If Mahomes is who we all say he is, the receiving game will be fine. Mahomes spreading the ball around and changing our offense isn't what teams are used to. I think this is a good opportunity to reset and adapt and stay ahead of other teams. IF anyone can do it it is Andy Reid and Mahomes.

We are ass at the pass rush. We don't have anything there long or short term. We desperately need reinforcements along the DLine. That cupboard has been bare for awhile now.

You're gonna replace Hill with quantity. You aren't replacing him with a single dude, just put alot of good players out there and figure that out.

You need a DE. Badly.

IF you want a really good one, you're gonna probably have to get to 15 or so.

What about trading back with 1 of those 1st and picking up some picks for next year?

We need to trade up for an edge. We have shit for pass rush. Total shit.

The Ravens traded up to 32 for Lamar Jackson.

They gave up the 52nd pick, the 125th pick, and a 2nd round pick the following year for the 32nd pick and 132nd pick.

That gives you an idea of what kind of comp to expect if we did trade.

If Johnson and Karlaftis go off the board in the mid-teens, there's no reason to trade up. There's a bunch of guys all grouped together at that point and one of them will be available at 29.

Exactly this. Get a bunch of dlinemen. Even if they end up as jags at least they're cheap jags unlike frank Clark the expensive jag. Hate to swing at one big one and miss. It'll feel like the hill trade was a loss.

We might be surprised at some of the players who fall to our spot, or at least close enough to give up minimal compensation to move up.

The reason some of the teams ahead of us always draft ahead of us is because they're always making bad decisions, reaching for need, etc.

Every year we hope for someone to trade into the first for a 5th round option. I just dont see it this year. The QB class is shit and if its someone else worth trading for we probably need them just as bad.

Pretty much agree with most comments above. Not sure what we will draft at 29 and 30, but I can see a scenario where we get BPA (likely a receiver will be one of those) and just load up on EDGE/DL in round 2 and 3.

Not heard anything on Bradberry.

I don't think they take a WR with either pick.

I'm gonna go outside the box and go DT with one and DE with the other.

I wouldn't even be surprised if they took a CB in the first round either.

CB, DE, DT or S.

CB possible. I don't know that they value it enough to do that though. Thru the years seems to be a spot they feel comfortable with cobbling together.

The fact that they’re going hard for a veteran CB tells me they don’t want to take one too early.

Maybe late 2nd or the 3rd, but I feel like they won’t take one earlier than that.

Unless someone falls, I highly doubt the BPA at 29 or 30 will be EDGE. Maybe a DT. With as many picks as they have, I doubt they'll reach.

I know they don't value it as highly as other teams....but a good CB might be there at 29 or 30 and be to good to pass up. Plus having him cost controlled for 5 years is a pretty nice thing to have....especially with Fenton being a FA next season.

ESPN would love that...give the locals a lot of "cheering moments"

Definitely so. I agree with both.

One spot no one is really talking about that might make some sense there would be Tackle.

Yeah, it feels like they don't value CB enough to take one in the first round.

I still think we're likely trading 29+50 to get an edge at 15-20 and then adding a WR with 30. If somehow it's trading up for the WR, I'll be at the same time excited that we're getting the WR we really want but also disappointed because Veach is a madman.

I know there's still a long way to go, but it's frightening that the only thing we've really done with the pass rush is re-sign Clark, a guy we all thought was 100% gone.

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They're making the right move with the pass rush though. Bring in young guys (mostly draft picks) that fit your scheme and don't cost a ton of money. Add depth and rotate guys.

I would love that, but If the Big 2 from UGa are gone, which I fully expect, I think Winfrey and similar (Jones, Leal, or Mathis) will be avail at 50 and 64. I Would happy with Mafe and Dax/Brisker or Booth/Gordon, with a DL at 50 or 64. Raw or small-school CBs and athletic LBs available in the 3rd, with Skyy Moore, Shakir, Pierce(watson seems to be gone)...that would be an amazing haul of young players that should be rotational pieces that will be starting soon, and that's not even hitting the 4th rnd yet.

I keep running into that at 29 and 30.

Every guy I like there, there's another guy that will be there at 50 who I like just as well. Not sure how to handle that.

I hadn't heard of void years in NFL contracts until recently. Were they just not a common thing beforehand, but seems we are seeing contracts with these void years more and more common.

Anyone have a link that explains the void years or someone can summarize it quickly for a idgit like me?

They’re years added to the deal to spread the signing bonus out over more years, with the idea that they’ll just be dead cap in those years.

This year, I have resigned myself to the notion that there will be a huge influx of athletic BPAs on the roster, but will have to accept we will not replace Hill (so don't reach for his ghost), and we won't solve the edge problem in the draft this year (like Oweh or Parsons), but there's a good Edge out there somewhere after the lead pack of 5 or 6, but it surely won't be in year one. Veach needs to hit on the right one of Mafe, Ebiketie, Ojabo imho.

I'd guess they end up supplementing the DE draft pick with a free agent vet or two post draft.

:bravo:

I'm the same. The only edge that seems to fall between 30 and 50 in the mocks i'm doing is Ojabo, and v occasionally Wyatt at DT.

I've said it in other threads but if a couple of the edge guys we want go really early, say mid-teens, the real meat of this draft for edge is at 50, not 30.

got it. that makes sense. thanks

There will be 4-5 available at 29 that can play in this defense and likely Ojabo will be there if we want an elite one that we may miss out on the rookie year of. I love the idea of drafting Ojabo at 29 and then a second pass rusher at 50. Sam Williams, Cam Thomas, the kid from USC and a couple others.

It's time to just use up all the picks and stock as much talent as you can.

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MVS' contract has a cap hit this year of less than $5M and his dead money next year is also less than $5M. Only $8.65M is fully guaranteed.

Just goes to show why people shouldn't overreact to AAV numbers, they're almost never real.

He either succeeds in the offense this year or they get rid of him next year.

Exactly. That's my assessment and it lines up with this from the MVS thread...

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I think OTC has all of the contracts updated. They have our cap space at $18 million. You have to think that the draft class is going to be around $11-13 million but we still have a new deal with OBJ, hopefully, coming that will clear some cap space for that.

I could see maybe one or two moves before the draft with that amount.

They've gotta get a vet pass rusher (or two). There some nice ones out there that will need a 1 year deal.

150k followers but I have no clue who this dude is.

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I'm not sure Veach is capable of trading back.

I also didn't think he'd be taking the route that he is. Anything can happen at this point.

That’s a great point.

Everything they’ve done goes against their approach the last few years.

I don’t think it’s about a change in philosophy as much as it’s an evolution going from a QB on a rookie deal to where we are now.

In this deep draft class I can. Veach looked like a genius sitting back and plucking multiple gems who fell to them. Trading back allows even more opportunity to do just that. Looking forward to draft.

Oh, I think it's absolutely a sea change, but one that was planned.

Look, you do what you gotta do to get over the hump and win a SB. If you gotta trade your #1 and take on a big contract or two, you do it-you've got a generational talent at QB on a rookie deal.

Now everything is different. You're paying your QB, who's just entering what should be a long and fruitful prime. You need as much good, young, cheap talent as possible to keep the train rolling.

It was pretty predictable; I thought we'd see the exodus start NEXT year, which would probably be a year too late, to be honest-but I expected Andy to be more sentimental about it.

I'm pretty impressed, really. it's pretty baller to send Tyreek packing for that fat package of picks.

Now this draft is super important. Nail it, and we'll own the AFC for half a decade. **** it up, and we're Seattle.

Spot on.

Love or hate the trade this is what the future comes down to...

The difference between the Seahawks and the Chiefs is a higher foundation though. Andy Reid + Mahomes vs Pete Carroll + Wilson.

Also, Veach >>> Schneider

Farrell is the lead guy for the Rivals network. If he’s getting that info, it’s coming from the college side of things, not pro, for sources. So probably what he is hearing from agents.

He’s generally a decent source of info. Doesn’t make shit up.

I don’t get trading down unless we trade up. We’ve got 6 picks in the top 103 + 2 more in the 4th.

Maybe the thought is to trade down with one of your 1st rd picks to get ammo to move up from 50 or 62?

I just want to make sure we can get as much talent as we can with the first 4 picks

Similar risk to if Tyreek were to sustain a major injury. He’s gotten close a few times snd dodged that bullet.

The thing about trading down is, it would be really nice to have that 5th year option for 2 of our picks. Do we really want all of these guys coming off their rookie deals at the same time?

I think it was more likely before the trade, but I think it’s still very possible even after the trade.

The logic follows with how Veach maneuvered the the made to provide additional mid round picks.

Plus, body language. :)

You know the quality of the mid rounds of this specific draft.

Better to have more swings in that span and then decide later who to keep and who didn’t work out.