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Chris Meck 02-13-2023 07:02 AM
They had some really sloppy execution in the first half.

They were much, much better in the 2nd half.

I don't give a shit, that was a catch and a fumble, and a scoop and score. Spags' defense scored two TD's.

saturnknts 02-13-2023 07:53 AM
Isn't Spags now a 4 time SB winner? Kind of hard to argue about the man.

Molitoth 02-13-2023 07:54 AM
Spags is good and all of you calling for his head are idiots.

Danguardace 02-13-2023 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by saturnknts (Post 16806368)
Isn't Spags now a 4 time SB winner? Kind of hard to argue about the man.
Common misconception but he only won one with NYG.

notorious 02-13-2023 07:56 AM
Our guys had their heads up their asses quite a bit.

Spags had them in the positions they should be in.

Danguardace 02-13-2023 07:58 AM
The key here was keeping the running backs quiet. Hurts just had a great day you can't account for some of his plays. On another day his productivity is 20-30% less at least.

Megatron96 02-13-2023 04:30 PM
Spags is the man. Best DC the Chiefs ever had.

Chiefspants 02-13-2023 04:33 PM
With our offense, we just needed to keep the Eagles out of the endzone on two drives to flip the game.

On a day where both defenses were playing in a skating rink, Spags was able to pull it off.

Pitt Gorilla 02-13-2023 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16808060)
Spags is the man. Best DC the Chiefs ever had.
He really is. Burt gets credit for the draft, but Spags and his crew are the guys that 1) coach them up, and 2) allow them to play.

Hey, Spags, how about starting this 7th round DB?

Hammock Parties 02-13-2023 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16808060)
Spags is the man. Best DC the Chiefs ever had.
the man has three super bowl rings

R Clark 02-13-2023 04:48 PM
He needs two more with the chiefs

DJ's left nut 02-13-2023 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16806077)
Please elaborate on the bad concepts.

I didn't see many. I thought Spags didn't blitz enough from the outside in a couple of situations but he may have pulled off that in the game plan after several bonehead plays by his secondary against some really basic plays. I also thought he should have run blitzed in a few situations early, but he did end up correcting it and doing it a few times in the 2nd half with Gay.

And if anyone questions the Dunlap play in coverage on the zone blitz that should have gotten home when Hurts made a tremendous play, I'm going to ****ing bitch slap them all the way to the statue then let Billay teabag them.
I figured A-Gap blitzes could do damage and man those got STONEWALLED.

And I felt like he kept using them in critical situations. But I also wonder if those weren't designed more to attack the run than the pass.

I think they were just really focused on bottling up the ground game and forcing Hurts to the middle with his runs.

DJ's left nut 02-13-2023 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16806128)
The eagles are really really good on offense. Outstanding OL. Elite WRs. Really good RBs. And Hurts is way better than I imagined he’d ever be. And they are flat out unstoppable on short yardage as long as they are allowed to keep doing that scrum formation.

Our second half defense did just enough to help us win. And even if they got the ball back late in the game we would’ve shut that down too. Spags was instrumental to winning the first Super Bowl. We don’t get to the Super Bowl if not for our Defense dominating burrow. It wasn’t pretty but spags got the job done.
I heard a thought exercise years ago and it was "What would the value of a guy who guarantees 1 yard, no more and no less, every time you give him the ball.

That's it - he gets one yard and then is done every single time. What value would you put on that guy?

My position was that I'd give a 1st rounder for that guy without blinking and I think last night watching the frustration of KNOWING that the Eagles could get 1 yard anytime they wanted I'm only more convinced.

They can do things on 2nd and 3rd down differently because they know that they'll get that yard if they need it in short yardage situations. I've never seen a team that just spams a concept like that and it ALWAYS works.

G'damn it was frustrating.

DJ's left nut 02-13-2023 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by saturnknts (Post 16806368)
Isn't Spags now a 4 time SB winner? Kind of hard to argue about the man.
I believe he and Crennel are the only guys in history to pile up 4 SB rings as assistants.

There's a chance the guy goes into the HoF as a coordinator.

Megatron96 02-13-2023 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16808106)
I figured A-Gap blitzes could do damage and man those got STONEWALLED.

And I felt like he kept using them in critical situations. But I also wonder if those weren't designed more to attack the run than the pass.

I think they were just really focused on bottling up the ground game and forcing Hurts to the middle with his runs.
When you look at it from the perspective of a DC going into the SB, his gameplan made a ton of sense. Hurts wasn't throwing well in the two pervious playoff games, barely threw for 300 yds in those two games combined, many of this throws were in the dirt or otherwise off-target, but their running attack was crushing it.

So, Spags took away their run game. I said in one of the pre-game threads that I wanted to see our defense somehow hold the PHI rushing attack to under 4 yds/carry. Well, they did that. In spades, to the tune of 2.7yds/carry.

He basically dared Hurts to beat his defense by throwing it.

And who could've predicted that Hurts would throw as well as he did?

I mean, he was throwing dimes and darts all over the yard. That one to Goedert on the 7 route or whatever it was to the sideline between a pair of our defenders was a pure-D dot. He couldn't have trotted over and handed the ball to Goedert as precisely.

And he had a lot of throws like that, catches that were contested, but he just threw a better ball than could be defended. that's not on Spags, that was just an elite performance by Hurts and his receivers.

Sassy Squatch 02-13-2023 04:59 PM
He's gotten 3 I'm pretty sure.

Megatron96 02-13-2023 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16808113)
I heard a thought exercise years ago and it was "What would the value of a guy who guarantees 1 yard, no more and no less, every time you give him the ball.

That's it - he gets one yard and then is done every single time. What value would you put on that guy?

My position was that I'd give a 1st rounder for that guy without blinking and I think last night watching the frustration of KNOWING that the Eagles could get 1 yard anytime they wanted I'm only more convinced.

They can do things on 2nd and 3rd down differently because they know that they'll get that yard if they need it in short yardage situations. I've never seen a team that just spams a concept like that and it ALWAYS works.

G'damn it was frustrating.
Marcus Allen was the best to ever do it for the Chiefs. I think he was around 98% to convert on anything 3rd-and-2 or shorter. As automatic as it gets in the NFL.

Pitt Gorilla 02-13-2023 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16808125)
When you look at it from the perspective of a DC going into the SB, his gameplan made a ton of sense. Hurts wasn't throwing well in the two pervious playoff games, barely threw for 300 yds in those two games combined, many of this throws were in the dirt or otherwise off-target, but their running attack was crushing it.

So, Spags took away their run game. I said in one of the pre-game threads that I wanted to see our defense somehow hold the PHI rushing attack to under 4 yds/carry. Well, they did that. In spades, to the tune of 2.7yds/carry.

He basically dared Hurts to beat his defense by throwing it.

And who could've predicted that Hurts would throw as well as he did?

I mean, he was throwing dimes and darts all over the yard. That one to Goedert on the 7 route or whatever it was to the sideline between a pair of our defenders was a pure-D dot. He couldn't have trotted over and handed the ball to Goedert as precisely.

And he had a lot of throws like that, catches that were contested, but he just threw a better ball than could be defended. that's not on Spags, that was just an elite performance by Hurts and his receivers.
All of this. It was pretty clear that our goal was to contain the ground game as well as we could. Well, we did that, which was honestly a little surprising. But Hurts was simply incredible. Tip the cap and hope you can pull out a win.

Bump 02-13-2023 05:01 PM
our defense was as disaster the year before spags and the Chiefs lost if they didn't put up at least 40, even lost while putting up 50 before Spags.


People were acting like we weren't playing the NFC champs and that the defense should just dominate. The Eagles had a pretty good defense you know and I'm sure their fans were complaining about their defense more than we were about ours.

Spags is good, he good.

RunKC 02-13-2023 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16806087)
4th and 5 conversion by Hurts was an awful defensive playcall. 5 in the box? For real? When he's been gashing all game? Bolton also executed very poorly on that particular play but he should've had some help.
That was during the time when our defense was on the field for 23 straight minutes of game time, which was at least 40-45 mins.

I still have no idea why they didn’t call timeout during either 4th down just to figure out a good playcall, no less give the guys a breather.

Bolton was beat but it looked like he was tired from being on the field so much at the time.

Not sure if calling a TJ noir would be an Andy or Spags thing for the defense

Megatron96 02-13-2023 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16808137)
All of this. It was pretty clear that our goal was to contain the ground game as well as we could. Well, we did that, which was honestly a little surprising. But Hurts was simply incredible. Tip the cap and hope you can pull out a win.
Honestly I was shocked when I saw that his DL held that RB trio to 2.7 yds/carry. Our defense isn't built to just hold a top-5 rushing attack to under 3yds/carry for an entire game. And that trio had several 200 yd games this season, and at least one game where they ran for a ridiculous 340+ yds, I think. 340 yds in a pass-happy NFL game? In 2022?

But watching NFL Live's Marcus Spears this morning, and watching our LBs fire into the gaps, instead of waiting to see what happened as both NYG/SF did, is what appeared to make the difference. They attacked that running game, instead of trying to catch it. Great plan by Spags.

Sassy Squatch 02-13-2023 05:05 PM
Yep. Super Bowls XLII, LIV, and LVII. Not sure where the 4th is coming from. Although he's the only coordinator in history to win Super Bowls with multiple teams.

DJ's left nut 02-13-2023 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16808153)
Yep. Super Bowls XLII, LIV, and LVII. Not sure where the 4th is coming from. Although he's the only coordinator in history to win Super Bowls with multiple teams.
I thought he got two with the Giants.

I had forgotten that Fewell was the DC for the 2011 Giants.

Megatron96 02-14-2023 06:01 PM
I tend to agree, though I hope nothing comes of this

"SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. — Among the long-standing by-products of team success in the NFL is assistant coaches becoming hot commodities for the various head-coaching openings.

Chiefs offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy has been the supposed next-man-up for a head-coaching job for the past few seasons with the sustained offensive success in Kansas City under Andy Reid.

Steve Spagnuolo, the Chiefs’ defensive coordinator since 2019?

Not so much.

“Spags,’’ as he’s affectionately known by coaching colleagues and players, curiously has slipped through the cracks in this head-coach interview process despite the fact his Kansas City defenses have been quite representative during the team’s five-year run that has the team in a third Super Bowl Sunday, against the Eagles at State Farm Stadium.

In his first of two stints as the Giants defensive coordinator, Spagnuolo’s defense was solely responsible for wrecking the Patriots’ bid for an undefeated season, sacking Tom Brady five times in a 17-14 Giants victory in Super Bowl XLII at the very stadium where the Chiefs will play the Eagles on Sunday.

That was Spagnuolo’s first Super Bowl ring. He got his second one in his first season as Chiefs defensive coordinator, in 2019.

Now, the 63-year-old native of Grafton, Mass., who’s never lost his New England accent, has a chance for a third ring in his fifth Super Bowl, and fourth as a defensive coordinator — a number that should elevate him into the conversation with some of the top men to man that position over the years, including Bill Belichick and Dick LeBeau to name a couple."

The rest of the story:
https://nypost.com/2023/02/09/chiefs...coaching-shot/

Pitt Gorilla 03-10-2023 09:57 PM
If you have time, I would encourage everyone to watch this by the Eagles' crew, including Seth Joyner. It's so, so good.

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Hammock Parties 03-10-2023 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16848452)
If you have time, I would encourage everyone to watch this by the Eagles' crew, including Seth Joyner. It's so, so good.

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LMAO 7:50

after all the shit we endured with GROB and Sutton playing the DBs soft constantly, seeing an opposing fanbase lament their very own defense doing that against us in the biggest game of them all? perfecto.

Pitt Gorilla 03-10-2023 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16848454)
LMAO 7:50

after all the shit we endured with GROB and Sutton playing the DBs soft constantly, seeing an opposing fanbase lament their very own defense doing that against us in the biggest game of them all? perfecto.
How does Gannon get a head coaching gig after THAT?

Chiefspants 03-10-2023 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16848454)
LMAO 7:50

after all the shit we endured with GROB and Sutton playing the DBs soft constantly, seeing an opposing fanbase lament their very own defense doing that against us in the biggest game of them all? perfecto.
I still see Spags getting grief on social media for the Super Bowl, but here's the thing.

In the 2nd half, his defense held the Eagles to a field goal (thanks to a critical sack by Saunders who ran his ass off to make the play), and forced a 3 and out in large part due to Spags dialing up his blitzing. They held the Eagles to 3 points in their first two drives in the second half. In the Patrick Mahomes era, that is all that was needed to flip the balance of the game to the Chiefs and give Patrick the ball with 5 minutes left for a game winning drive to win the Super Bowl. As a Chiefs fan, you take that hand every single time it's given to you.

In the golden era of Kansas City football, this is the exact defense Patrick needs to win a championship -- and to pull it off with a secondary and linebacking core where every player but Justin Reid is on their rookie contracts is just a masterstroke from Spags/Veach and our scouting.

And that's just the Super Bowl -- we're not even talking about the AFC Championship game, where, down Sneed and Gay, we witnessed the Chiefs' greatest playoff defensive stand in a half century to twice keep Joe Burrow from a game winning field goal to send us home.

Hammock Parties 03-10-2023 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 16848524)
I still see Spags getting grief on social media for the Super Bowl, but here's the thing.

In the 2nd half, his defense held the Eagles to a field goal (thanks to a critical sack by Saunders who ran his ass off to make the play), and forced a 3 and out in large part due to blitzing for the Eagles first two drives in the half. In the Patrick Mahomes era, that is all that was needed to flip the balance of the game to the Chiefs and give Patrick the ball with 5 minutes left for a game winning drive to win the Super Bowl.

In the golden era of Kansas City football, that is the exact defense Patrick needs to win a championship -- and to pull it off with a secondary and linebacking core that are ALL on their rookie contracts is just a masterstroke from Spags/Veach and our scouting.

And that's just the Super Bowl -- we're not even talking about the AFC Championship game, where we witnessed the Chiefs greatest playoff defensive stand in a half century to keep Joe Burrow from a game winning field goal to send us home.
post is spot on

it's never going to be the defense's job to go win the game in the mahomes era

but they did more than once this postseason, and the rest of the time, got critical stops when they were needed

mission accomplished

as long as the defense gets on base, mahomes will drive in the run

Megatron96 03-11-2023 12:13 AM
I'll keep saying it.

Spags defenses are not among the best defenses statistically, but his defenses since becoming the Chiefs DC have been among the best situational defenses I've ever seen. They just make big game-changing plays in the playoffs in the biggest moments. Without superstars studded all over it. Just a lot of smart, physical, fast guys, led by a coach that might be the best defensive game-planner in the league.

Pitt Gorilla 03-11-2023 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16848569)
I'll keep saying it.

Spags defenses are not among the best defenses statistically, but his defenses since becoming the Chiefs DC have been among the best situational defenses I've ever seen. They just make big game-changing plays in the playoffs in the biggest moments. Without superstars studded all over it. Just a lot of smart, physical, fast guys, led by a coach that might be the best defensive game-planner in the league.
Might also be one of the best teachers/developers of talent as well.

Chieftain 03-11-2023 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16848468)
How does Gannon get a head coaching gig after THAT?
He is young and white.

Coochie liquor 03-11-2023 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16848588)
Might also be one of the best teachers/developers of talent as well.
Especially with our DBs.

chiefzilla1501 03-11-2023 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 16848524)
I still see Spags getting grief on social media for the Super Bowl, but here's the thing.

In the 2nd half, his defense held the Eagles to a field goal (thanks to a critical sack by Saunders who ran his ass off to make the play), and forced a 3 and out in large part due to Spags dialing up his blitzing. They held the Eagles to 3 points in their first two drives in the second half. In the Patrick Mahomes era, that is all that was needed to flip the balance of the game to the Chiefs and give Patrick the ball with 5 minutes left for a game winning drive to win the Super Bowl. As a Chiefs fan, you take that hand every single time it's given to you.

In the golden era of Kansas City football, this is the exact defense Patrick needs to win a championship -- and to pull it off with a secondary and linebacking core that are ALL on their rookie contracts is just a masterstroke from Spags/Veach and our scouting.

And that's just the Super Bowl -- we're not even talking about the AFC Championship game, where, down Sneed and Gay, we witnessed the Chiefs' greatest playoff defensive stand in a half century to twice keep Joe Burrow from a game winning field goal to send us home.
The eagles were in the Super Bowl for a reason. There are always offenses that are gonna eat no matter what you throw at them. Our defense gave up points and yards because the eagles executed. Very well coached team with absurd talent at wr and OL. It’s not like we were calling bad plays or blowing assignments or whiffing on tackles.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-11-2023 07:59 AM
I'm not sure how bullshit hero balls can ever be blamed on the DC and the Eagles scored most of their points on that and that bullshit rugby play that shouldn't be legal.

Chris Meck 03-11-2023 08:03 AM
Spags ****ing sucks. Needs to be fired. Need to hire Fangio. Should run more two deep safety. Need more sacks from DE's, but also need to sign Hopkins or OBJ and Bahktiari and Taylor and Saquon. And then, why isn't the defense better?!

Coochie liquor 03-11-2023 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16848675)
Spags ****ing sucks. Needs to be fired. Need to hire Fangio. Should run more two deep safety. Need more sacks from DE's, but also need to sign Hopkins or OBJ and Bahktiari and Taylor and Saquon. And then, why isn't the defense better?!
This man gets it.

Monticore 03-11-2023 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16848642)
The eagles were in the Super Bowl for a reason. There are always offenses that are gonna eat no matter what you throw at them. Our defense gave up points and yards because the eagles executed. Very well coached team with absurd talent at wr and OL. It’s not like we were calling bad plays or blowing assignments or whiffing on tackles.
They had to earn every yard except maybe Snead blown coverage, no easy yards in the run game and throws had to be perfect/lucky

FringeNC 03-11-2023 09:11 AM
Last year, for the most part, we shut down bad offenses, and we at least slowed down good offenses most of the time. And teams punted in the playoffs. On a yards per play allowed basis, we were in the top 10. Far from an elite D (do they exist anymore?), but (much?) better than what we said we needed from Spags when we shitcanned Bob Sutton.

trndobrd 03-11-2023 10:00 AM
To recap:

January 2019 - Chiefs hire Steve Spagnuolo

January 2020- Chiefs have 12-4 regular season record, Win Superbowl LIV

January 2021 - Chiefs have 14-2 regular season record, Lose Superbowl LV

January 2022 - Chiefs have 12-5 regular season record, lose AFC Championship in OT

January 2023 - Chiefs have Chiefs have 14-3 regular season record, win Superbowl LVII

March 2023 - Chiefsplanet: This **** isn't working. Spagnuolo sucks and needs to be fired.

GloryDayz 03-11-2023 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16848452)
If you have time, I would encourage everyone to watch this by the Eagles' crew, including Seth Joyner. It's so, so good.

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:clap::clap::clap:

That was great.

GloryDayz 03-11-2023 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 16848524)
I still see Spags getting grief on social media for the Super Bowl, but here's the thing.

In the 2nd half, his defense held the Eagles to a field goal (thanks to a critical sack by Saunders who ran his ass off to make the play), and forced a 3 and out in large part due to Spags dialing up his blitzing. They held the Eagles to 3 points in their first two drives in the second half. In the Patrick Mahomes era, that is all that was needed to flip the balance of the game to the Chiefs and give Patrick the ball with 5 minutes left for a game winning drive to win the Super Bowl. As a Chiefs fan, you take that hand every single time it's given to you.

In the golden era of Kansas City football, this is the exact defense Patrick needs to win a championship -- and to pull it off with a secondary and linebacking core that are ALL on their rookie contracts is just a masterstroke from Spags/Veach and our scouting.

And that's just the Super Bowl -- we're not even talking about the AFC Championship game, where, down Sneed and Gay, we witnessed the Chiefs' greatest playoff defensive stand in a half century to twice keep Joe Burrow from a game winning field goal to send us home.
Rep.

tredadda 03-11-2023 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16848642)
The eagles were in the Super Bowl for a reason. There are always offenses that are gonna eat no matter what you throw at them. Our defense gave up points and yards because the eagles executed. Very well coached team with absurd talent at wr and OL. It’s not like we were calling bad plays or blowing assignments or whiffing on tackles.
The other team’s players are paid to win also. I have noticed that since Spags has been here this defense has rarely been out schemed. More often than not, it’s the players failing to execute. Look at the Brown TD. McDuffie and Thornhill were there, he was double teamed, McDuffie just got turned around. The Eagle’s final TD was set up because Sneed blew his assignment and let Smith run right by him. Both failed execution, not failed scheme.

Bl00dyBizkitz 03-11-2023 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16848569)
I'll keep saying it.

Spags defenses are not among the best defenses statistically, but his defenses since becoming the Chiefs DC have been among the best situational defenses I've ever seen. They just make big game-changing plays in the playoffs in the biggest moments. Without superstars studded all over it. Just a lot of smart, physical, fast guys, led by a coach that might be the best defensive game-planner in the league.
I've always found this interesting. Do defensive stats even matter of the Chiefs can roll into the postseason with a "statistically below average" defense and perform at an elite level?

Chiefspants 03-11-2023 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 16848835)
I've always found this interesting. Do defensive stats even matter of the Chiefs can roll into the postseason with a "statistically below average" defense and perform at an elite level?
I think we were 17th in DVOA this year.

In both years Patrick Mahomes has had a Top 20 defense in DVOA, Kansas City has been Super Bowl champs.

Monticore 03-11-2023 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 16848731)
Last year, for the most part, we shut down bad offenses, and we at least slowed down good offenses most of the time. And teams punted in the playoffs. On a yards per play allowed basis, we were in the top 10. Far from an elite D (do they exist anymore?), but (much?) better than what we said we needed from Spags when we shitcanned Bob Sutton.
Elite D do exist until we play them.

kysirsoze 03-11-2023 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by trndobrd (Post 16848767)
March 2023 - Chiefsplanet: This **** isn't working. Spagnuolo sucks and needs to be fired.
Uh... Literally no one is saying this except for the obviously sarcastic post.

RunKC 03-11-2023 11:14 AM
One of the best coordinators in franchise history.

The players he’s found in the draft, the coaching he’s done. So thankful for him

Megatron96 03-11-2023 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 16848835)
I've always found this interesting. Do defensive stats even matter of the Chiefs can roll into the postseason with a "statistically below average" defense and perform at an elite level?
The problem with stats is that each one only tells a specific part of the whole, but fans will latch onto one or two of them and hold them up as the entire story.

2018 was a classic example of that. Sutton's defense had the highest season sack total as well as the best 3rd down conversion %. What got lost or was ignored, was that Houston and Ford became invisible against better than average OTs, I mean they fell off a cliff, and that 3rd down conversion rate was entirely dependent on their ability to sack the QB, and when teams ran, they were worse than average.

NE took advantage of that because they watched the tape and analyzed how KC did defending the run on 3rd down/normal passing situations. To be clear; they outschemed Sutton, who couldn't/wouldn't adjust. Guess who else wouldn't adjust, and called about as passive a game as possible? PHI's DC Gannon. Another coach that relied far too much on metrix and not enough seeing what was actually going on.

In short, people were trying to use those stats as a way to make blanket statements about the defense, effectively ignoring any other information.

Bottom line, it's problematic to just look at one or two stats and then declare much of anything with any reliability.

And in the time Spags has been with the Chiefs he keeps teaching us that season sack totals alone or season rush yards allowed are bogus stats. They don't tell you anything really useful about how they'll play in a certain game, or how they're trending.

Stats are great if we can analyze as many relevant statlines as possible, and pretty useless when we use just the one or two we want to use.

Hammock Parties 09-17-2023 06:16 PM
It's time to give Spags his flowers. Absolutely terrific hire. Now that the Chiefs have stacked talent you are really starting to see the results. D-line will be NASTY when Charles in Charge gets back.

Chiefs run defense has become a force, too.

Jaguars piled up 144 yards rushing in the playoff game last season, on only 19 attempts.

Chiefs held them to 74 yards rushing today, with 26 coming on QB scrambles. Longest run by a RB was 9 yards.

SPAGS

wachashi 09-21-2023 10:36 AM
Spags deserves a ton of credit for building this defense. We'll never know exactly how much decision-making power he has when it comes to drafting players (I'm guessing quite a bit), but it's VERY apparent that Spags can develop players. And it's VERY apparent that he can field a defense that plays to player strengths.

8 (could call it 9) of our defensive starters are playing on their rookie deals.

Chris Jones, Derrick Nnadi, and Justin Reid are the only "starters" not drafted by Veach/Spags. That speaks volumes about this team's drafting AND coaching ability.

We're not asking rookies to do too much. We're not asking free agents who haven't played in this system to do too much. We've got a roster full of young, homegrown players that know this scheme.

We're in a great spot...

Hammock Parties 09-21-2023 10:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 14070073)
Yikes.

Mahomes on the last year of his rookie deal -- and we're radically changing defensive schemes.

2019 is looking to be a whole lot like 2018 was. Mahomes slaughtering people and our defense getting slaughtered in return.
Another post of Direckshit!

staylor26 09-21-2023 10:51 AM
Death, taxes, bad Direckshun takes.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-21-2023 08:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17121735)
Another post of Direckshit!
Worst football poster on this board by far yet thinks he's a guru

RealSNR 09-21-2023 08:50 PM
Oh come on. A lot of good football posters hated the Spags hire.

I wasn’t one of them, but I’m not going to shit on anybody who didn’t want him

Hammock Parties 09-21-2023 09:36 PM
I was an early adopter of Spags Supremacy and never wavered in my faith.

The result is two rings and likely the best defense we've fielded since 1997.

I'd like this CLEAR grand slam of a take to result in the expungement of pre-draft Mahomes takes that have been used unfairly against me by trolls on this site for years.

Half ya'll wanted him fired in every game thread. LMAO

Chiefspants 09-21-2023 10:10 PM
97’s D didn’t get either of the stops Spags did against Burrow last year.

Harsh on 97’s D, I know, but those are the stops Super Bowl winning defenses make. While Gunther’s scheming when we had Elway on the ropes cost us a potential Super Bowl run, Spags rolled all 7’s and got the ball back to our offense for a game winning drive.

RealSNR 09-21-2023 10:11 PM
Besides, that's not a bad take.

THIS is a bad take:

Quote:
Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14070140)
Reid doesn’t want to win a super bowl. Hell Bieneimy may be Head Coach after this year

Hammock Parties 09-21-2023 11:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 17122578)
97’s D didn’t get either of the stops Spags did against Burrow last year.

Harsh on 97’s D, I know, but those are the stops Super Bowl winning defenses make. While Gunther’s scheming when we had Elway on the ropes cost us a potential Super Bowl run, Spags rolled all 7’s and got the ball back to our offense for a game winning drive.
Hell, go back to the '19 playoffs.

Especially the SB.

wazu 09-22-2023 07:03 AM
My initial reaction to the Spags hire was definitely a heavy thumbs down. So glad to have been wrong. Seems like he and Veach have a mind-meld where a remarkably high number of players get drafted, and quickly are plugged in and developing/producing. Which is exactly what we need if we want to have a true dynasty. Also just generally love the Chiefs overall defensive scheme since he came here. I am rarely shouting "what the ****?" anymore at horrible mismatches or blown coverages when the Chiefs are on D.

I have dreamt of Mahomes having what Brady had, which is a top defense that doesn't require offensive heroics every game. Since the Spags hire it has felt like the defense has been good enough to not be "a problem", and allow Mahomes to go out and win. When we're in a hole it's almost never insurmountable. With the current group of players I'm hopeful this can be Spags best year ever, and raise the standard yet again.

kcgreene 09-22-2023 10:27 AM
Athletic Article - Spags
 
Figured Id Throw this on this thread, Didn't see it anywhere, from The Athletic Yesterday.

https://theathletic.com/4884008/2023...eve-spagnuolo/
Spoiler!

BleedingRed 09-22-2023 11:02 AM
I still get trigged by spags putting DE's in coverage

Mecca 09-22-2023 11:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 17122866)
I still get trigged by spags putting DE's in coverage
All teams do it, it's just one of those things.

Sorce 09-22-2023 11:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17122666)
I am rarely shouting "what the ****?" anymore at horrible mismatches or blown coverages when the Chiefs are on D.
Amazing how that happens when you get rid of Sorenson.

RealSNR 09-22-2023 12:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14070216)
Honestly, if you’re trying to make objective statements about this hire right now, whether good or bad, you’re a ****ing idiot.

There’s a whole offseason to play out. Let’s see what some guys say about it that have played for him. Let’s see if we do make the 4-3 switch, which would be great IMO. Let’s see who is added to the roster.

WORST case scenario, Andy is maybe looking at Spags’ scheme and saying, he’s aggressive so if we do end up giving up a lot of points in a game, maybe it won’t take 12 to 15 plays to do it. No more keeping Mahomes off the field for 2/3 of the AFCCG.

Again, let shit play out. If you don’t like it, maybe provide some actual reasoning to believe it instead of just, “WTF SAME OLD SHIT WE SUCK!!!”....

Pugs baby hope you’re doing ok. We miss you!

staylor26 09-22-2023 12:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 17122866)
I still get trigged by spags putting DE's in coverage
Because you don't understand how those blitzes work.

Maybe, just maybe, the guy with 3 SB rings as a DC knows what he's doing?

Megatron96 09-22-2023 12:49 PM
To be honest, I wasn't that knowledgeable about Spags before he became DC for KC. I knew he'd been the DC for NYG when they won the SB against the 17-0 Patriots, but I barely watched that game the first time because, well, it was NYG vs. NE.

when he was hired I tried to do some research and found an article that had been written a few months before the hire that ranked him among the top-10 best DCs at the time, which I posted in this thread somewhere.


Then i got lucky and a friend of mine who is a NYG fan lent me a DVD of the SB game. After watching it a couple times my impressions were:

Spags was very creative in his blitz/pressure packages, and he was a very aggressive play-caller.

For me, that was enough. After years of Sutton's lack of creativity, the lack of discipline by the DL, and apparent wishy-washy play-calling in big moments in the biggest games, I just wanted KC to make a wholesale change defensively, and Spags seemed like the most likely candidate to effect that sort of change.


Glad things turned out the way they did. I'll say it again: Steven Spagnuolo is the best situational DC in the league, and probably the best DC the Chiefs have ever had. We're lucky to have him, and I hope he stays for another 100 years.

Pitt Gorilla 09-22-2023 01:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17122666)
My initial reaction to the Spags hire was definitely a heavy thumbs down. So glad to have been wrong. Seems like he and Veach have a mind-meld where a remarkably high number of players get drafted, and quickly are plugged in and developing/producing. Which is exactly what we need if we want to have a true dynasty. Also just generally love the Chiefs overall defensive scheme since he came here. I am rarely shouting "what the ****?" anymore at horrible mismatches or blown coverages when the Chiefs are on D.

I have dreamt of Mahomes having what Brady had, which is a top defense that doesn't require offensive heroics every game. Since the Spags hire it has felt like the defense has been good enough to not be "a problem", and allow Mahomes to go out and win. When we're in a hole it's almost never insurmountable. With the current group of players I'm hopeful this can be Spags best year ever, and raise the standard yet again.
Spags was always a teacher at heart. If we were going to be churning through young players, we HAD to have a guy like that.

deegs 09-22-2023 01:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17123060)
Sutton
Mention that name again and I’ll see you at the George Brett statue

Pitt Gorilla 09-22-2023 01:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 17122866)
I still get trigged by spags putting DE's in coverage
If you send other guys, SOMEBODY has to cover the receivers/zones. The idea is to send them from where the QB/OL isn't expecting them or to overload an area so they they can't all be blocked. That's literally how that works.

Pitt Gorilla 09-22-2023 01:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kcgreene (Post 17122836)
Figured Id Throw this on this thread, Didn't see it anywhere, from The Athletic Yesterday.

https://theathletic.com/4884008/2023...eve-spagnuolo/
Spoiler!
It's why the Chiefs were so high on Nazeh Johnson. He's the perfect DB for that defense/coverage. It simply sped up Connor's clock when Johnson was injured.

Red Dawg 09-22-2023 02:12 PM
Spags was on his couch. Came off his couch and got two more rings.

Chris Meck 09-23-2023 07:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17122992)
Because you don't understand how those blitzes work.

Maybe, just maybe, the guy with 3 SB rings as a DC knows what he's doing?
It's so frustrating that people can't wrap their heads around this.

Like I don't get it. How can you not understand what's happening and what the purpose is?

Hammock Parties 09-25-2023 09:12 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Points allowed by the Chiefs defense through the first 3 games since 2018:<br><br>2018: 92<br>2019: 64<br>2020: 60<br>2021: 95<br>2022: 65<br>2023: 33 <a href="https://t.co/58nEnLsWih">pic.twitter.com/58nEnLsWih</a></p>&mdash; ����‼️ (@LanceTHESPOKEN) <a href="https://twitter.com/LanceTHESPOKEN/status/1706322382556733767?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sassy Squatch 09-25-2023 09:16 AM
Selfishly glad the NFL seems to have disregarded Spags as a HC candidate. Dude has been doing some insanely good work these past couple seasons.

Hammock Parties 09-25-2023 11:14 AM
7th overall

7th passing

12th rushing

5th in 3rd down %

6th fewest in penalties

4th in points

RealSNR 09-25-2023 01:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch (Post 17128836)
Selfishly glad the NFL seems to have disregarded Spags as a HC candidate. Dude has been doing some insanely good work these past couple seasons.
Spags is actually almost as old as Andy. I don't know if he wants an HC job at his age.

DRM08 09-25-2023 01:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17129412)
Spags is actually almost as old as Andy. I don't know if he wants an HC job at his age.
He wants it, but he probably knows they won't give him a chance at this point. The Bengals are in a similar situation where their DC is doing a great job, but nobody will hire him as head coach because of his age. They'd rather hire a 35 year old who barely has any experience.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-25-2023 09:17 PM
Shows how bad offenses are that we aren't ranked higher on defense

Womble 09-25-2023 09:32 PM
It says a lot about our defense this year that we are 3 games in and I haven't once called for Spags to be sacked. I think 4 games is the longest I've ever gone without a "fire spags" in the game day chat.

Edit: Not true. I called for him to be fired against the lions.

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