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DaFace 08-05-2021 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allen_kcCard (Post 15771603)
Things are moving again now, SN20 moved over next to BN4 and they have the crane hooked up to it.

Talk in the chat is that they will stack it fully to test the fittings, then destack sometime and return things to the high bay to continue work that isn't finished yet, like some of the piping on the backside of SN20 and maybe more of the heat tiles.

It'll be a good photo op if nothing else. :)

Donger 08-05-2021 01:27 PM

Might be "EDT," but maybe?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Aiming to stack ship on booster today <a href="https://t.co/67ehWTI57v">pic.twitter.com/67ehWTI57v</a></p>&mdash; Elon Musk (@elonmusk) <a href="https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1423353739394514949?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DaFace 08-05-2021 09:45 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Current plan for SpaceX seems to be something like this:<br>- Stack Ship 20 on Booster 4 for a fit check<br>- Destack the vehicles<br>- Uninstall Raptors<br>- Proof testing of both vehicles<br>- Begin Raptor reinstallation<br>- Static fire campaign for both vehicles<br>- Stack again<br>- Launch</p>— Michael Baylor (@nextspaceflight) <a href="https://twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1423300344080072708?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

allen_kcCard 08-06-2021 07:21 AM

They stacked them this morning sometime, looks like a big ****ing rocket to me.

Donger 08-06-2021 08:06 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">History has been made. The world’s tallest rocket… ever �� <a href="https://t.co/FZKNbWewZg">pic.twitter.com/FZKNbWewZg</a></p>&mdash; Everyday Astronaut (@Erdayastronaut) <a href="https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1423630041984999425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DaFace 08-06-2021 08:14 AM

That is, indeed, a big ass rocket. I wish we had a F9 beside it to compare.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The first ever full stack of Starship Super Heavy. <a href="https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NASASpaceflight</a> <a href="https://t.co/zwdcLpErSn">pic.twitter.com/zwdcLpErSn</a></p>&mdash; Jack Beyer (@thejackbeyer) <a href="https://twitter.com/thejackbeyer/status/1423640482081656836?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Donger 08-06-2021 08:16 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8G_zVqX...jpg&name=large

allen_kcCard 08-06-2021 02:19 PM

Those aerial work platforms are kinda nuts too. Could you imagine being on one of those extended that high? I bet that thing sways like a mofo.

DaFace 08-07-2021 07:26 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/T6r96fqlPG">pic.twitter.com/T6r96fqlPG</a></p>— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) <a href="https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1423830326665650179?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Donger 08-08-2021 09:03 AM

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unlurking 08-09-2021 03:36 PM

Starliner had issues with 13 valves, not just the one they initially reported. They've been able to "coax" open 7 of them so far. This seems like a much larger, systemic problem than just a couple valves failing to open. Their latest update does not engender confidence.


https://starlinerupdates.com/boeing-...tion-facility/


Quote:

Originally Posted by Boeing
<header class="entry-header">Boeing Advances Starliner Solutions in the Vertical Integration Facility

<time class="entry-time" itemprop="datePublished" datetime="2021-08-09T10:19:47-04:00">August 9, 2021</time>
</header>This weekend, Boeing restored functionality on more of the 13 CST-100 Starliner propulsion system valves that did not open as designed during prelaunch system checks last week.
Boeing has completed physical inspections and chemical sampling on the exterior of a number of the affected valves, which indicated no signs of damage or external corrosion. Test teams are now applying mechanical, electrical and thermal techniques to prompt the valves open. Seven of the 13 valves are now operating as designed, with inspection and remediation of the remaining affected valves to be performed in the days ahead.
Boeing is working a systematic plan to open the affected valves, demonstrate repeatable system performance, and verify the root cause of the issue before returning Starliner to the launch pad for its Orbital Flight Test-2 mission.
The company is assessing multiple launch opportunities for Starliner in August and will work with NASA and United Launch Alliance to confirm those dates when the spacecraft is ready.
Boeing will continue to provide information at www.StarlinerUpdates.com as it becomes available.


DaFace 08-09-2021 03:56 PM

(sigh)

So bizarre. What in the world happens to have them just get stuck like that? I hope it's an easy explanation. You wouldn't think you'd still be having issues like this after all of this time.

unlurking 08-09-2021 04:36 PM

With that many valves, I can only imagine there is a manufacturer's defect in the valves or the valve controls. (yay for a distributed jobs program vs vertically integrated system) I hope that root cause doesn't end up pointing at another dozen valves that operate after launch being a problem too. That could end up as severe as the software issues and end up requiring a significant hardware review that delays Starliner another year. :(

Donger 08-10-2021 12:15 PM

https://www.spaceflightinsider.com/w...c6VoAQYfUV.jpg

Donger 08-11-2021 09:32 AM

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Donger 08-11-2021 02:45 PM

So cool...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We spy with our little eye... a rover! ��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MarsHelicopter?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MarsHelicopter</a> spotted <a href="https://twitter.com/NASAPersevere?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NASAPersevere</a> during its 11th flight. You can see Ingenuity’s foot to the left, its shadow at the bottom center, &amp; if you look up &amp; slightly to the right, you’ll see our robotic scientist. <a href="https://t.co/6GT4JkiJsg">https://t.co/6GT4JkiJsg</a> <a href="https://t.co/gRUWWi4DEi">pic.twitter.com/gRUWWi4DEi</a></p>&mdash; NASA JPL (@NASAJPL) <a href="https://twitter.com/NASAJPL/status/1425520773129596930?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

unlurking 08-11-2021 03:36 PM

lol


Where's Percy?

unlurking 08-11-2021 03:39 PM

I think I'm done with hoping BO turms things around and succeeds. Plenty of other potential competitors outside the likes of Boeing, ULA, LM, and BO.


<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">16 flights is extremely unlikely. Starship payload to orbit is ~150 tons , so max of 8 to fill 1200 ton tanks of lunar Starship.<br><br>Without flaps &amp; heat shield, Starship is much lighter. Lunar landing legs don’t add much (1/6 gravity). May only need 1/2 full, ie 4 tanker flights.</p>&mdash; Elon Musk (@elonmusk) <a href="https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1425473261551423489?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

DaFace 08-11-2021 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 15779850)
I think I'm done with hoping BO turms things around and succeeds. Plenty of other potential competitors outside the likes of Boeing, ULA, LM, and BO.

Yeah, I've tried really hard to be "Team Space," but BO's tantrums and general approach of being obstructive rather than constructive have really turned me off.

I'm still generally a fan of ULA (Tory Bruno is great at least). LM is great at satellites - just not launchers. Boeing is...a mess it seems.

But yeah, beyond those, I'm much more excited to see what the plethora of startups can come up with.

unlurking 08-11-2021 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15779924)
Yeah, I've tried really hard to be "Team Space," but BO's tantrums and general approach of being obstructive rather than constructive have really turned me off.

I'm still generally a fan of ULA (Tory Bruno is great at least). LM is great at satellites - just not launchers. Boeing is...a mess it seems.

But yeah, beyond those, I'm much more excited to see what the plethora of startups can come up with.

Mostly agree. I like Bruno, but I still can't get over the birth of ULA. It's the "punishment" for the criminal activity of too big too fail corporations. It's just a reminder of the corruption at the top for me. If Shelby and Bezos had a baby, it'd be named ULA.


/rant off

unlurking 08-11-2021 07:04 PM

**** Bezos. :(


<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Take our deal or we sue. That’s the offer on the table now from Blue Origin? Remarkable. <a href="https://t.co/AzshsZB5GV">https://t.co/AzshsZB5GV</a></p>&mdash; Eric Berger (@SciGuySpace) <a href="https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1425623692323835905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

Donger 08-12-2021 01:38 PM

LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If lobbying &amp; lawyers could get u to orbit, Bezos would be on Pluto rn</p>&mdash; Elon Musk (@elonmusk) <a href="https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1425639813416427526?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

unlurking 08-12-2021 01:41 PM

lol
Sooner or later, you gotta think NASA is going to start publicly responding. I have to imagine some of their engineers are cringing at the thought of having to work with BO.

DaFace 08-12-2021 04:32 PM

(sigh)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Expecting some not great news on Starliner&#39;s OFT-2 mission, possibly as soon as this afternoon. It won&#39;t launch this month.</p>&mdash; Eric Berger (@SciGuySpace) <a href="https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1425907925500014597?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

unlurking 08-12-2021 05:01 PM

Ouch. I'm guessing it gets pushed to 2022 at this point.

DaFace 08-12-2021 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 15781490)
Ouch. I'm guessing it gets pushed to 2022 at this point.

Yep.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As I noted earlier, Starliner is not launching this month. It may not launch in 2021. <a href="https://t.co/hef7q9NaFS">https://t.co/hef7q9NaFS</a></p>— Eric Berger (@SciGuySpace) <a href="https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1425960899488137220?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

unlurking 08-12-2021 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boeing
Nine of the previously affected 13 valves are now open and functioning normally after the application of electrical and thermal techniques to prompt and command them open. Similar techniques are now being applied to the four valves that remain closed.

https://starlinerupdates.com/

Makes me think of that Big Bang Theory episode where can't turn a lugnut.

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Baby Lee 08-12-2021 11:37 PM

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unlurking 08-13-2021 07:09 AM

I'm more interested to see this converted to space based manufacturing. Lot of 3D printing already in "new space". SpaceX has been 3D printing parts for Falcon and Rocket Lab 3D prints its Rutherford engines on Electron. 3D printing the rocket body is new (and still seems a bit insane but cool), but with what SpaceX has done with Starship and sheet metal construction in the last year I'm not sure if 3D printing provides much in the way of cheaper/faster anymore.

I'm still rooting for Relativity though. They and Rocket Lab are my two favorites for surviving the swell of small launch startups. I just think they need to diversify a bit like SpaceX and RocketLab have done. With all these launch service startups beginning to finally come on line, it will be a race to the bottom profit wise. I'd like to see Relativity take their 3D printing expertise and use it in space for building infrastructure. A small POC to build a sealed container with ports to alllow sensors and pressurize would be cool. Or even cooler, do it on the moon using regolith! :D

DaFace 08-13-2021 11:37 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We&#39;ve determined <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Starliner?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Starliner</a> will return to our factory for deeper-level troubleshooting of four propulsion system valves. With <a href="https://twitter.com/NASA?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NASA</a>, we&#39;ve decided to stand down for this launch window to make way for other national priority missions.<br><br>More: <a href="https://t.co/oycWeRz156">https://t.co/oycWeRz156</a> <a href="https://t.co/UzCZN66451">pic.twitter.com/UzCZN66451</a></p>&mdash; Boeing Space (@BoeingSpace) <a href="https://twitter.com/BoeingSpace/status/1426218670779420678?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

unlurking 08-13-2021 11:54 AM

2022, here we come!
:(

Donger 08-13-2021 11:55 AM

I assume that they gave the sticky valves a good whack with a wrench?

DaFace 08-13-2021 12:33 PM

I'll be really curious what level of detail comes out of the press conference. I really want to know how a majority of the valves suddenly get stuck on the pad right before launch...

Donger 08-13-2021 12:38 PM

Let's not forget though...

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DaFace 08-13-2021 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 15782382)
Let's not forget though...

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Sure, there's no question that shit happens. You would just expect that they would have worked out when issues with valves were part of the problem last time.

Donger 08-13-2021 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15782383)
Sure, there's no question that shit happens. You would just expect that they would have worked out when issues with valves were part of the problem last time.

Oh, I didn't know that valves were an issue before. I thought it was buggy code.

DaFace 08-13-2021 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 15782390)
Oh, I didn't know that valves were an issue before. I thought it was buggy code.

Buggy code... related to the valves.

unlurking 08-13-2021 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 15782382)
Let's not forget though...

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And don't forget, that was a previously flown test unit.

unlurking 08-13-2021 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15782375)
I'll be really curious what level of detail comes out of the press conference. I really want to know how a majority of the valves suddenly get stuck on the pad right before launch...

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021...-issue-solved/

...

According to Vollmer, some of the NTO leaked through seals on the valves. Such leaks are well understood from a physics standpoint, Vollmer said. But then this oxidizer combined with some unanticipated ambient moisture in the cavity around the valve, and this resulted in corrosion that prevented the valves from opening properly.
...


No way they launch until 2022 now.

DaFace 08-16-2021 09:36 AM

Good lord. Can we just shut the place down? :shake:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">News – Jeff Bezos&#39; Blue Origin filed a sealed complaint in the U.S. Court of Federal Claims against NASA this morning, continuing the company&#39;s fight that the agency wrongly awarded the lucrative HLS lunar lander contract to SpaceX, despite the GAO ruling: <a href="https://t.co/QHG6z8zkD2">https://t.co/QHG6z8zkD2</a></p>&mdash; Michael Sheetz (@thesheetztweetz) <a href="https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1427284095042793480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

unlurking 08-16-2021 09:48 AM

Ugh


There should be penalties for this kind of frivolous legal activity.

DaFace 08-16-2021 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 15785869)
Ugh


There should be penalties for this kind of frivolous legal activity.

There probably will be, but it's not like money is the issue when it comes to Bezos.

unlurking 08-16-2021 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15785871)
There probably will be, but it's not like money is the issue when it comes to Bezos.

I was thinking more along the lines of debarment...

https://www.gsa.gov/policy-regulatio...rment-division

Donger 08-16-2021 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15785816)
Good lord. Can we just shut the place down? :shake:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">News – Jeff Bezos&#39; Blue Origin filed a sealed complaint in the U.S. Court of Federal Claims against NASA this morning, continuing the company&#39;s fight that the agency wrongly awarded the lucrative HLS lunar lander contract to SpaceX, despite the GAO ruling: <a href="https://t.co/QHG6z8zkD2">https://t.co/QHG6z8zkD2</a></p>&mdash; Michael Sheetz (@thesheetztweetz) <a href="https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1427284095042793480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is the argument from BO? Really?

Blue Origin last week released an infographic that added that Starship is “a launch vehicle that has never flown to orbit and is still being designed.”

allen_kcCard 08-16-2021 10:42 AM

I thought those infographics were more just trying to throw shade at SpaceX more than trying to further their complaint about HLS. Regardless it is all just a rich toddler throwing a tantrum.

unlurking 08-16-2021 10:56 AM

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This will further inflame internal tensions at Blue Origin, which are rising. Many employees are super disappointed in this tactic. It will also make other commercial space companies wary of partnering, and make it super difficult to win any federal contracts in the future.</p>&mdash; Eric Berger (@SciGuySpace) <a href="https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1427287281371697152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

Donger 08-16-2021 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allen_kcCard (Post 15786033)
I thought those infographics were more just trying to throw shade at SpaceX more than trying to further their complaint about HLS. Regardless it is all just a rich toddler throwing a tantrum.

Right, but it's a pretty crappy argument for why BO should be included (if it is) since BO hasn't even achieved orbit and SpaceX has how many times now?

DaFace 08-19-2021 02:48 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is a &quot;voluntary stay of performance&quot; that the court filing says &quot;shall expire on 11/1/2021.&quot; Oral arguments are set for 10/14/2021. So at longest the stop work would last a couple of months.</p>&mdash; Christian Davenport (@wapodavenport) <a href="https://twitter.com/wapodavenport/status/1428444049602760705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's kind of funny (and horrifying) to think what the space landscape would look like if BO had their way. Recall that they tried to argue that they had a patent on using a ship in the water as a landing platform. If they had won that argument, SpaceX might never have been able to figure out reusability. :shake:

Now they're trying to delay the moon work when there's not even a solution (not like NASA can suddenly come up with more money). At least it should only last a couple of months.

unlurking 08-19-2021 03:46 PM

Ugh.
**** Bezos. I'm glad NASA was able to cut SpaceX a milestone check the day the GAO protest was rejected. SpaceX will continue working on SS anyway.

MagicHef 08-19-2021 04:20 PM

Will BO sue SpaceX as they continue work on SS, since it can be represented as development on HLS?

DaFace 08-19-2021 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 15791514)
Will BO sue SpaceX as they continue work on SS, since it can be represented as development on HLS?

I suppose it's remotely possible that they could try and keep SpaceX from spending NASA money on it, but it seems crazy unlikely they could make them stop work entirely since the overall goal is Mars.

unlurking 08-19-2021 05:17 PM

SpaceX has been working on SS for years. HLS is just a side project. Bezos would be laughed out of court. It's worth noting that SpaceX is not an interested party in this case, the court has zero jurisdiction over anything not HLS. It's also worth noting that this is a "voluntary" stay by NASA, not a court order.

SpaceX also has multiple other contracts with NASA, including the development and testing of on-oribit fuel transfer. SpaceX has so many other things going on right now to get SS moving, that this will likely have zero impact on their part of HLS. It will however make great headlines for NASA to say "we were delayed by frivolous lawsuits" when Artmis doesn't launch in '24.

It would also be funny as shit if SS has made orbit before the hearing. :D

unlurking 08-19-2021 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15791548)
I suppose it's remotely possible that they could try and keep SpaceX from spending NASA money on it, but it seems crazy unlikely they could make them stop work entirely since the overall goal is Mars.

The money they got from NASA was for milestones achieved already. They may get another check on November 1 for more milestones achieved. lol

unlurking 08-19-2021 05:22 PM

This makes sense...

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NASA statement on the “stay of work” for the Human Landing System. <a href="https://t.co/7YtIf8n3nx">pic.twitter.com/7YtIf8n3nx</a></p>&mdash; Eric Berger (@SciGuySpace) <a href="https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1428488786523181056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

unlurking 08-19-2021 05:24 PM

Possibly the most surprising thing (for me anyway), is the complete silence from Elon. It feels like he goaded BO into this with his Twitter trolling, and is now sitting back and watching.

Donger 08-26-2021 08:10 AM

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Donger 08-26-2021 08:31 AM

T-1:00

DaFace 08-26-2021 08:32 AM

Gonna be hard for me to give any shits about what BO is up to until they stop emulating the shape of their rocket.

Donger 08-26-2021 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15800772)
Gonna be hard for me to give any shits about what BO is up to until they stop emulating the shape of their rocket.

Emulating the shape of their rocket?

Pretty funny that the cargo in the capsule are "lunar landing material" or whatever she said.

DaFace 08-26-2021 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 15800783)
Emulating the shape of their rocket?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sorry, folks.<a href="https://t.co/jInOzc0ZUr">https://t.co/jInOzc0ZUr</a></p>&mdash; Futurism (@futurism) <a href="https://twitter.com/futurism/status/1430897620386422794?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

eDave 08-26-2021 08:39 AM

That thing wobbles. The whole landing looks precarious.

Donger 08-26-2021 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15800786)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sorry, folks.<a href="https://t.co/jInOzc0ZUr">https://t.co/jInOzc0ZUr</a></p>&mdash; Futurism (@futurism) <a href="https://twitter.com/futurism/status/1430897620386422794?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Oh...

LMAO

Donger 08-29-2021 08:20 AM

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RINGLEADER 08-29-2021 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 15805503)
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The Dragon separation with the sunrise coming over the Earth was spectacular!

DaFace 08-29-2021 12:15 PM

Astra had another attempt yesterday, but it failed in amusing fashion.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Reviewing flight data and video, two things are very clear - 1) An engine shut down right after launch 2) Everything that happened next made me incredibly proud of our team. Space may be hard, but like this rocket, we are not giving up. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AdAstra?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AdAstra</a> <a href="https://t.co/2g3n812EaW">pic.twitter.com/2g3n812EaW</a></p>— Chris Kemp (@Kemp) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kemp/status/1431812555324854272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Remarkably, it managed to right itself and actually made it through part of the mission, but they triggered the FTS system once it was unrecoverable.

Still more exciting than a flying penis launch though.

Donger 08-29-2021 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15805766)
Astra had another attempt yesterday, but it failed in amusing fashion.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Reviewing flight data and video, two things are very clear - 1) An engine shut down right after launch 2) Everything that happened next made me incredibly proud of our team. Space may be hard, but like this rocket, we are not giving up. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AdAstra?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AdAstra</a> <a href="https://t.co/2g3n812EaW">pic.twitter.com/2g3n812EaW</a></p>— Chris Kemp (@Kemp) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kemp/status/1431812555324854272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Remarkably, it managed to right itself and actually made it through part of the mission, but they triggered the FTS system once it was unrecoverable.

Still more exciting than a flying penis launch though.

LMAO

That was impressive!

DaFace 08-30-2021 02:57 PM

Starting to get excited about the Inspiration4 mission coming up. Apparently Netflix is doing a series of shows leading up to it:

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I have to say, though...the "pucker factor" will be crazy high for that launch (and landing). Can you imagine the fallout if anything went wrong with an all-civilian mission like that?

DaFace 09-01-2021 05:23 PM

This is some goofy ad for Oakley, but that capsule looks awfully familiar...


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Landing 9.9 ⏰ <a href="https://twitter.com/oakley?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@oakley</a> <a href="https://t.co/Pxy2hZMHBj">pic.twitter.com/Pxy2hZMHBj</a></p>&mdash; Patrick Mahomes II (@PatrickMahomes) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatrickMahomes/status/1433140270304989185?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 1, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

unlurking 09-01-2021 08:46 PM

Really looking forward to this one...
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unlurking 09-01-2021 09:54 PM

Wow. Views from the Dragon cupola are going to be amazing.
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A look at Dragon’s Cupola, which will provide our Inspiration4 astronauts with incredible views of Earth from orbit!<br> <br>The crew visited the flight-hardware Cupola in California before it was shipped to Florida for integration with Dragon Resilience. <a href="https://t.co/9ivMZrS1ip">pic.twitter.com/9ivMZrS1ip</a></p>&mdash; Inspiration4 (@inspiration4x) <a href="https://twitter.com/inspiration4x/status/1433192632457564160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 1, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

Donger 09-02-2021 08:08 AM

I had no clue this was a thing...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Inspiration4 giving its crew an awe-inspiring view.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Inspiration4?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Inspiration4</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SpaceX?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SpaceX</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ElonMusk?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ElonMusk</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CrewDragon?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CrewDragon</a> <a href="https://t.co/3tNDHM31VI">pic.twitter.com/3tNDHM31VI</a></p>&mdash; Dale Rutherford (@Dtrford) <a href="https://twitter.com/Dtrford/status/1390706279035904000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

unlurking 09-02-2021 12:07 PM

Kinda puts into perspective the differences between Dragon/F9 and New Shepard.

Donger 09-02-2021 01:20 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UPDATE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UPDATE</a> The FAA is grounding space flights by <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/VirginGalactic?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#VirginGalactic</a> while it looks into why Richard Branson&#39;s July 11 voyage deviated from its planned trajectory <a href="https://t.co/JJXdHfTp50">https://t.co/JJXdHfTp50</a> by <a href="https://twitter.com/LucieAbrg?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@LucieAbrg</a> <a href="https://t.co/RSFJmAAkY4">pic.twitter.com/RSFJmAAkY4</a></p>&mdash; AFP News Agency (@AFP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1433496090129621009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Donger 09-02-2021 01:21 PM

The US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) on Thursday said it was grounding space flights by Virgin Galactic while it investigates why the company's July 11 voyage carrying Richard Branson deviated from its planned trajectory.

The move represents a blow to the private space company as it prepares to carry paying customers following its first fully-crewed test flight.

It is now unclear whether Virgin's next test flight, involving members of the Italian Air Force, will take place as scheduled in late September or early October.
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"The FAA is overseeing the Virgin Galactic investigation of its July 11 SpaceShipTwo mishap that occurred over Spaceport America, New Mexico," the agency said in a short statement.

"Virgin Galactic may not return the SpaceShipTwo vehicle to flight until the FAA approves the final mishap investigation report or determines the issues related to the mishap do not affect public safety," it added.

The news came after a report by the New Yorker said the flight experienced cockpit warnings about its rocket-powered ascent that could have jeopardized the mission.

The article, by investigative journalist Nicholas Schmidle, said the pilots encountered first a yellow then a red light, indicating the spaceplane's climb was too shallow and the nose was insufficiently vertical.

Without corrective action, the vessel would not have had enough energy to glide back to its runway.

"According to multiple sources in the company, the safest way to respond to the warning would have been to abort," Schmidle wrote -- though Virgin has disputed this.

Aborting would have dashed flamboyant billionaire Branson's hopes of beating rival Jeff Bezos, whose own flight to space was scheduled a few days later.

The pilots did not abort and instead attempted to correct for the trajectory problem, now flying at Mach 3 with a red light on.

The vessel went on to reach 85 kilometers (52 miles) in altitude -- above the US definition of space -- and landed safely, but data retrieved from FlightRadar24 showed it had flown outside its designated path.

- 'Misleading' -

"Whether or not (the pilots') decision was motivated by programmatic pressures and the hopes of their billionaire bankroller sitting in the back remains unclear," wrote Schmidle.

Virgin Galactic told AFP it disputed the "misleading characterizations and conclusions in the New Yorker article."

"When the vehicle encountered high altitude winds which changed the trajectory, the pilots and systems monitored the trajectory to ensure it remained within mission parameters," it said in a statement.

"Our pilots responded appropriately to these changing flight conditions exactly as they have been trained and in strict accordance with our established procedures."

The company acknowledged the flight had diverged from the initial plan, but characterized the deviation as a short period of one minute and 43 seconds when it flew below its prescribed altitude, rather than a change in the areas it flew over.

"At no time did the ship travel above any population centers or cause a hazard to the public."

Virgin Galactic has had close calls and accidents in the past -- most notably in 2014 when a crash killed one pilot and injured another.

Schmidle also wrote that key personnel who were critical of the company's safety culture had resigned or been sacked.

DaFace 09-02-2021 01:28 PM

Well, that sounds a bit sketchy.

eDave 09-02-2021 03:13 PM

That all sounds like a system that worked to perfection. Sketchy indeed. Maybe it's about why it was triggered to begin with. Math probably.

Rausch 09-02-2021 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 15812210)
The article, by investigative journalist Nicholas Schmidle...

More likely: bacteria on Mars or an "investigative journalist" that does more leg work than the contacts on their phone?...

unlurking 09-02-2021 05:32 PM

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DaFace 09-02-2021 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 15811267)
Really looking forward to this one...
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Webcast is live with launch attempt in an hour!

unlurking 09-02-2021 06:23 PM

And I'm immediately reminded why I hate "space fan" live streams. :(

I'll watch the replay.


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