Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16935636)

He’s our lone rookie chosen for the rookie photoshoots

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16935652)

It’s a real argument IMO. Even the best GM’s aren’t perfect. Veach has had two 2nd rd WR’s and thus far have not found a true hit.

I’d argue Mecole was a need pick that happened bc the Tyreek situation unfolded in real time so I can’t give them too much flak for that. Skyy is TBD but his rookie year was filled with struggles.

I think it stems from the fact that Andy is an all time great coach and we found Kelce, Tyreek and Hunt previously, so why haven’t we been able to since? It’s an interesting discussion, and I’d argue that Pacheco is just as good as Kareem was.

Fortunately Burt has found very talented contributors like McKinnon and Toney for cheap, but the argument for us not hitting on an above average weapon in the draft at WR is absolutely legit at this time

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16933698)

This has been discussed ad nauseaum.

The Chiefs have invested a grand total of 2 2nds and one 3rd on WRs in Reid's tenure (in terms of a significant investment), and one of those is exactly one ****ing year into his career.

This narrative is absolutely reeruned. The issue is a lack of investment in the position, not an inability to find WRs.

That's why you have to include guys that aren't even ****ing WRs to try to make your stupid point. What does CEH, Gray, etc. have to do with the Chiefs ability or lack thereof to draft WRs?

Side note, Gray has been a disappointment? What exactly are your expectations for a day 3 TE? Just a glimpse into the issue with people like yourself, which is absurd/unrealistic expectations.

Same with Demarcus Robinson, who was a fine day 3 pick at WR.

And yea guys like Chesson and Powell weren't very good. Huge shock there! Guess they should've found a couple more Tyreek's instead huh?

You're basically looking at Hardman and Conley. Those are the only guys that were taken earlier than day 3 and played long enough to judge. Hardman was far from a bust, and Conley wasn't that bad himself.

I really can't wait for this dumb narrative to die as quickly as the narrative about us drafting LBs, DEs, etc.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16935683)

Yeah you’re being a homer.

Commenting on the fact that two 2nd rd picks at WR haven’t worked out this far doesn’t equal saying Veach sucks. It’s just the truth.

And in both cases, WR’s we passed on (DK Metcalf/George Pickens) have both worked out quite nicely.

We haven’t hit on a WR with two 2nd rd investments at this time. that’s just an undeniable fact. And no chicken littles shouldn’t take that as “omg Veach sucks!!!l”.

Like I said. Every GM has at least one position they struggle with. For Veach it’s been finding an above average WR in the draft. And really I hope that changes with Skyy and/or Rice

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16935697)

And yea, if Toney/Skyy/Rice all end up being disappointments, then have at it fellas. Then you will actually have something to bitch about.

My only point is that up until the last 2 years, the issue has been a lack of investment, not an inability to find WRs.

We finally invested in the position now, and people don't even have the patience to let things play out first.

Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 16935720)

Imagine if Toney/Skyy and Rice flopped but Justyn Ross and Ritchie James ended up Pro Bowlers. That'd be a fun time on here arguing the toss on whether Veach was a genius or a fool :)

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16935683)

Yeah you’re being a homer.

Commenting on the fact that two 2nd rd picks at WR haven’t worked out thus far doesn’t equal saying Veach sucks. It’s just the truth.

And in both cases, WR’s we passed on (DK Metcalf/George Pickens) have both worked out quite nicely.

We haven’t hit on a WR with two 2nd rd investments at this time. that’s just an undeniable fact. And no chicken littles shouldn’t take that as “omg Veach sucks!!!l”.

Like I said. Every GM has at least one position they struggle with. For Veach it’s been finding an above average WR in the draft. And really I hope that changes with Skyy and/or Rice

Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 16935720)

Imagine if Toney/Skyy and Rice flopped but Justyn Ross and Ritchie James ended up Pro Bowlers. That'd be a fun time on here arguing the toss on whether Veach was a genius or a fool :)