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DeezNutz 07-31-2013 05:30 PM

Anyway, Santana was never really on the table since the Royals are "in it." However, I think the teams could have exchanged prospects, and this could have made sense for both sides.

'Hamas' Jenkins 07-31-2013 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9848664)
Rany generally argues that moving to the AL adds 1 to an ERA. I'm not sure what he's using to make this argument, though, so I'm not going to back it.

However, common sense says that facing an 8-man lineup every night would make things a bit easier, not to mention facing anemic offenses like Chicago and Pitts.

'13 Santana would be having a statistically disgusting year for you guys.

The Twins and CHW both have worse offenses than the two you mentioned.

DeezNutz 07-31-2013 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9848672)
The Twins and CHW both have worse offenses than the two you mentioned.

Twins are higher than the Pirates in runs scored. Detroit is 1 and Cleveland is 3. No one in the top 10 in your division, aside from STL.

The Sox are terrible, of course, so no argument there.

alnorth 07-31-2013 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9848665)
xFIP adjusts for league average.

xFIP = ((13*(Flyballs * League-average HR/FB rate))+(3*(BB+HBP))-(2*K))/IP + constant

A pitcher in the junior league will give up fewer flyballs.

Mama Hip Rockets 07-31-2013 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9848584)
Royals Acquire Decent Platoon Outfielder, Pay Real Price

by Dave Cameron - July 31, 2013


With or without Maxwell, the Royals aren’t going to the postseason this year, so at best, he pushes them a little closer to .500.


This Dave Cameron guy seems like a bit of a dummy.

A) The Royals are 5 games out in the wild card with two months to go, and he states that they are not going to the postseason like it's a sure thing.
B) They are already over .500.

'Hamas' Jenkins 07-31-2013 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9848679)
Twins are higher than the Pirates in runs scored. Detroit is 1 and Cleveland is 3. No one in the top 10 in your division, aside from STL.

The Sox are terrible, of course, so no argument there.

Pirates are at 416, Twins 415, but the Twins have played fewer games, so your point stands.

'Hamas' Jenkins 07-31-2013 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9848684)
A pitcher in the junior league will give up fewer flyballs.

According to whom?

duncan_idaho 07-31-2013 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9848655)
Santana's slider is a devastating pitch, and he's pitched well this year, but his fastball is mediocre. Wacha's fastball already grades out as a superior pitch. His change is not in the same class, but he also has a developing curve.

Furthermore, you have to think about what we'd be asking Santana to do: hold down a rotation spot until rosters expand. The difference between Santana and Kelly is significant, but marginal over the course of a month.

I don't know why Royals fans expect the Cardinals to act desperate and irrationally. Dayton Moore is your GM, not ours.

Oh, I don't expect the Cardinals to fall over for Santana. But he'd slot in 3rd in that rotation (and maybe even second considering he is a more consistent innings eater than either Miller or Lynn, who have both had several short-stint starts this year).

I don't think you get the same prod from either Wacha or Martinez as you would from Santana, but that doesn't mean I think you should have given up Wong for him.

Archie F. Swin 08-01-2013 06:53 AM

I think we can all agree the White Sox are a really bad baseball team....really bad. The ChiSox go to Detroit tomorrow...the Indians are at Miami.

:grr:

Fansy the Famous Bard 08-01-2013 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin (Post 9850052)
I think we can all agree the White Sox are a really bad baseball team....really bad. The ChiSox go to Detroit tomorrow...the Indians are at Miami.

:grr:

strange things can happen in pennant races... how many times did we pop up and screw a team with in our own division during august\september when we were 25 out at the time.

Mama Hip Rockets 08-01-2013 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin (Post 9850052)
I think we can all agree the White Sox are a really bad baseball team....really bad. The ChiSox go to Detroit tomorrow...the Indians are at Miami.

:grr:

:banghead::banghead:

mr. tegu 08-01-2013 08:27 AM

The Indians are pitching Masterson today. Our only hope is that Dunn goes beast mode off of the righty. It is the free game of the day today for anyone that wants to watch despite the slim chances of them losing.

mr. tegu 08-01-2013 08:45 AM

Since the Royals will be making the playoffs this season I don't think this thread is going to last the rest of the season. It seems to be getting sick.

DJ's left nut 08-01-2013 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9848584)
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/royal...ay-real-price/

The Nationals acquired Scott Hairston for low-level pitching prospect Ivan Pineyro.

...

However, to get Maxwell, the Royals gave up Kyle Smith, who Marc Hulet rated as their #10 prospect heading into the season. Smith has been excellent in high-A Wilmington this year, and is probably not far away from being ready for Double-A. He’s undersized, but the stuff and the results are there, and the Astros are clearly not shy about taking chances on short dudes who can play.

Smith isn’t any kind of elite prospect and might turn out to be nothing in the long run...

This is the kind of thing that annoys be about sportswriting.

What exactly is Kyle Smith if not a low-level pitching prospect? Why is Pineyro the throwaway line whereas Smith is a huge loss?

Smith is a 20 yr old kid that's pitching well in high A right now. Pineyro is 21 yr old kid that is also pitching well in high A right now, but actually has a little size and projectability.

The Nationals gave up a guy that's very very similar to Smith, but with fewer innings under his belt at high A. And Hairston is older, more expensive and under team control for less time. He's also not the defender that Maxwell is.

I'm not saying that this justifies the Royals move but what I am saying is that the market for a legitimate plus defensive OFer and lefty mauler was much higher than this author suggests. Sure, guys like that would ideally be found in FA, but that didn't happen so now you have to actually give up something to get one.

It's just a silly article. Should Moore have made the move at all? Well that's a fair question - are the Royals really a platoon RFer away from challenging for the division/WC? But did Moore truly overpay? No, he really didn't.

WhawhaWhat 08-01-2013 09:26 AM

Bob Dutton ‏@Royals_Report 12m
#Royals vs. Minn LHP Diamond: Gordon 7, Hosmer 3, Butler DH, Perez 2, Cain 8, Tejada 4, Moustakas 5, Maxwell 9, Escobar 6 and Shields 1.

Cain back in the lineup, no word yet on the move to add Maxwell to the roster.


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