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I'm still not that wowed by Wong (who I think ultimately is a LHH Omar Infante), and in my defense, at the start of the year he was coming off a .754 OPS in a hitter's park in a hitter's league hitting in front of the best or second-best hitter in the minor leagues.

I don't remember exactly what I said about Colon vs. Wong, but I know I was saying I didn't see a big spread between them, based on their production. They were similar (.754 OPS vs. .756 OPS in the Texas League) guys in many ways, though Wong is what, 18 months younger? I think you wanted Mondesi for him, which was an ultimate no-go for me.

I'm a HUGE Mondesi believer, and if you compare his numbers at age 17 to what Profar did at the same age, I think you'll see why. He is putting up the same numbers in his age 17/18 season that Profar did in his age 17 season... but Mondesi is doing it in the Southern League and Profar was in Low-A.

I remember being all over Craig for Herrera and Collins. Would have loved to pull the trigger on that one.

If Wong is Infante he's a 2.5 WAR player, which makes him better than any 2B your organization has had since Frank White. Wong isn't going to be Bob Cano, but he's a valuable player.

Prison Bitch

07-31-2013 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by penbook (Post 9848499)

I'm hoping Getz or Johnson gets sent down.

Johnson has 1 hit in his last 35 AB.

I told my friend the other night watching that I truly think he might be the worst hitter I've ever seen. Even worse than TPJ at the end, or Sal Fasano. Truly he is so bad to the point he can't even hit the ball.

Coach

07-31-2013 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by penbook (Post 9848501)

Why would they? He's been a beast ever since we called him up.

Because we are the Kansas City ****ing Royals, who practically does everything oh so ****ing wrong these days.

If GMDM dares to even send Lough down, I hope someone **** him with a barbed wire dildo in his sandy anal-vagina.

Prison Bitch

07-31-2013 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9848504)

If Wong is Infante he's a 2.5 WAR player, which makes him better than any 2B your organization has had since Frank White. Wong isn't going to be Bob Cano, but he's a valuable player.

Dude when are teh Cardinals gonna score another run? In the next week perhaps?

'Hamas' Jenkins

07-31-2013 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9848230)

Ken Rosenthal's twitter is basically a feed of what teams are not doing. Just nothing out there unless you went crazy.
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Proof that trading for players at the deadline is just not rational anymore. The sellers haven't realized that the buyers don't get comp picks, and are still dangling them as though they will. Ultimately, I think those moves push the sellers farther back, because they picks they acquire for their players leaving are later in the round, and almost always farther away from the bigs than the players they would acquire.

siberian khatru

07-31-2013 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9848504)

If Wong is Infante he's a 2.5 WAR player, which makes him better than any 2B your organization has had since Frank White.

Mark Grudzielanek (3.2 WAR in 06 and 07) disagrees. :D

WhawhaWhat

07-31-2013 04:06 PM

Houston got a AAA 2B/OF hitting over .300, 19 year old, single A pitcher and the #35ish overall pick in next years draft from the O's for Bud Norris.

'Hamas' Jenkins

07-31-2013 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9848509)

Dude when are teh Cardinals gonna score another run? In the next week perhaps?

Good one. Maybe when 3/4 sleeve linen suits come back in style you'll make the playoffs again.

'Hamas' Jenkins

07-31-2013 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9848513)

Mark Grudzielanek (3.2 WAR in 06 and 07) disagrees. :D

That is pretty damned amazing that 36 year old Grudz gave you that kind of value. He was only 2.6, fWAR, though.

Prison Bitch

07-31-2013 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9848515)

Good one. Maybe when 3/4 sleeve linen suits come back in style you'll make the playoffs again.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_GD7kgG_0bk.../sweep0812.gif

Mr. Laz

07-31-2013 04:15 PM

i was really hoping we would try send a pitcher to the Cardinals for Wong.

position of need and a young guy

I thought the Cardinals wanted some pitching help :shrug:

instead they pretty much did nothing

duncan_idaho

07-31-2013 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9848486)

I said Mondesi or Calixte. I knew you guys probably wouldn't hav egiven Mondesi for him, but Calixte seemed totally fair. At this point, however, I don't think I'd send him for Calixte. That K rate is terrifying.

We had a pretty good conversation. I just read through it. I don't think my reaction was quite as extreme as you're remembering. My basic take was: Wong is pretty good, org loves Calixte, not enough separation between Wong and Colon to make the move with Calixte at that point.

duncan_idaho

07-31-2013 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9848504)

If Wong is Infante he's a 2.5 WAR player, which makes him better than any 2B your organization has had since Frank White. Wong isn't going to be Bob Cano, but he's a valuable player.

Sure, I think Wong will be a very valuable and solid major league player. Comparing him to Infante was not intended as a slight.

I do think he has gotten a little overrated by both fanbases. The Cards fans on here are not so out of control, but I know some in other forums who seem to think Wong is going to be Rod Carew or something.

Royals fans have kind of done the same thing. I think ultimately he's a good MLB player who has a long career but is never really a STAR player.

DeezNutz

07-31-2013 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9848483)

Deez, Saul and Nightfyre were all arguing against it around pages 33/34 and underselling the hell out of Craig.

Come to think of it, every time I see something from Nightfyre, it's usually pretty stupid. Something along the lines of "Salvador Perez is worth more than the entire Cardinals farm system..."

Maybe I'm just projecting his insanity onto the rest of you fine gentlemen. As for Deez, well nobody bats 1.000.

Huh. Linkage? I was pretty ****ing stupid to take that stance, if I did. I have my share of moments of stupidity, however. I'm hopeful that the conversation at least happened in the evening so that I can try to blame the fine folks at Boulevard for my missteps.

mr. tegu

07-31-2013 04:27 PM

No reason to be worried about Lough going anywhere guys. You don't send down your 5 hitter in the lineup who is actually producing fairly well and plays pretty dang good defense.

Heck, he could be here to give all the regulars a break once a week considering 3/4 of the outfielders are lefties. That would have him playing 2-3 times a week about which would allow him to only face left handed pitching. Then in the 7th or 8th you make the defensive subsitution in a close game to the regular player, whether Gordon, Dyson/Cain, or Lough.

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