Jameson Willams…ALA

But price would be too steep to get to 12-18.

This is exactly my thinking right now. There's 5 or 6 WRs that look close-ish to sure things - at least players that should improve most teams. I'm more and more tempted to take the risk out at WR and go get one of them. I cannot believe that with a remaining R1, R2 and two R3 picks after that we can't get some decent talent to improve the defence, especially along the DL.

Would you go up for Jermaine Johnson? I wouldn't hate that but I don't think it's as impactful.

I think people need to give up on this notion that a WR has to be taken this year in the first round….or that we have to trade up for one. We aren’t replacing Hill. It’s not possible. What they CAN do is find the guy that they think best fits what they’re looking for this year and beyond…and then draft him.

Hill wasn’t a 1st round pick when we drafted him. They’ve got guys that can play the WR position effectively. It may not have been guys that most people wanted but Veach and Reid have a plan for the offense.

Agreed. The whole key is to go into the draft not needing anything. Then you can see what falls and go BPA w/o having to reach.

I suggested in the draft forum that if the opportunity presents itself to trade 29 or 30, next year’s 2nd and maybe a 4th this year to trade up into the 15-20 range (give or take, not sure of the trade value there) in order to get an elite WR while still maintaining the full complement of picks early on to still address DE, DT, CB, S, etc. Have to find a willing partner and a specific target in mind but IMO that would be an ideal scenario for KC.

Depending on the cost? Yes. And he for sure would be impactful in this defense.

Fair enough. I think dropping off drastically at WR is worse than not taking a giant leap forward at DE. But I can entirely see why people want premium talent at DE above all else, what we have at present is a horror show.

My feeling is if they brought back Ingram there is plenty of talent at DE and DT in the draft from R2 onwards that will absolutely improve the defence straight away. I don't think there are WRs after the top 6 that you can say that about confidently.

I don’t mean necessarily that we have to replace Hill, because I agree that isn’t happening. I still think a goal needs to be finding a receiver over the next year or two who is eventually capable of 1,200+ yards and 6-8 TD a year. With Mahomes at QB and in the Reid offense that isn’t necessarily easy but isn’t an impossible task with how many yards there are to go around.

Dating back to the year we (unfortunately) took Hardman we’re seeing more receivers than ever come in and put up significant numbers as rookies. Not sure that will necessarily happen here with the receivers already on the roster, but considering MVS is the only receiver under contract beyond 2022 it’s pretty important to find the right guy sooner than later. Doesn’t HAVE to be in the first, but the longer they wait the lower the chances are that they hit on one.

Oh I don’t see them waiting long. I could see at the end of the first or with the 50th pick.

I’m fine with an Olave or Burks if they fall. Pickens or Pierce in the 2nd.

I don't think anyone expects a like-for-like replacement. We just can't afford a massive drop off at WR. We all THINK Mahomes can drag a mediocre WR group along, but I'm not sure I want to test it to destruction. We can move up and stll get a lot of quality at DE and DT

Add a rookie at the end of the first round or at the top of the 2nd and there isn’t a major drop off of talent at WR.

Trading basically all of the value we got for Hill to get one rookie WR isn’t a smart move.

Our top 3 WR's last year combined for exactly 2500 yards.

You're telling me you don't think Hardman, MVS and Juju can't match that, or at least come close?

And we're not done at WR.

I will guarantee that we will be 1200 yards 80rec and 9 TD out of JuJu and MVS and probably much more than that.

I would imagine that is the floor and the minimum expectation.

Which position group looks more in need of talent?

WR: Juju, MVS, Hardman, Gordon, Fountain and Coleman

Or

DE: Clark, Kaindoh, Danna, Herring

That DE group is way below the poverty line.

No disagreement there. I'll honestly be fine with either DE or WR as the top pick (maybe DT if Wyatt). My main concern with WR is still beyond this year, because we're going through this same song and dance in 2023 with only MVS under contract and Kelce a year older.

DE is equally as bad, so if we trade up into the teens for an elite DE talent I'll be more than pleased. Or if they just find a way to stay where they're at and make it work then that's fine too. At least we finally have the draft resources we haven't had in seemingly forever.

Grab a WR at 29 or 30 and then another one in the 3rd or 4th round if you want. We’ll also have FA next year where we’ll have more money and another draft to continue adding youth to the position.

Tyreek is a superstar...clearly. If we grab one of top 5 receivers (Wilson, London, Williams, Olave, Burks) in the first round is there truly that much of a dropoff?

Hill
Pringle
Robinson

Rookie WR
Smith-Schuster
Valdes-Scantling

I dont think so. We will have threats across the board to pair with Kelce. Not to mention Mahomes is going to have a giant freaking chip on his shoulder.

If Kirk Cousins can turn #22 pick Justin Jefferson into an absolute superstar I have faith Patrick Mahomes can turn #29 or #30 into a superstar. Far from a gaurantee but if happens we win the Hill trade by a damn country mile!

I almost wish KC would take this opportunity with the state of the current OL and run the ball a bit more. Maybe I'll get blasted for suggesting taking the ball out of Mahomes' hands, but at least from time to time I'd love to see the run game utilized more as well as play action become more of an option. I very seriously doubt that happens under Reid, but it could help to offset some of the dropoff in the passing game.

If it meant getting rid of the RPO completely, I'd be all for it.

God yes.

There will be no drop off in the passing game.

Definitely DE. We don’t have a DE on the roster that would start on any other AFCW team right now.

True, although the same might be able to be said for WR. Would any of MVS, JSS, or Hardman start over the options in Denver (Sutton/Patrick), LAC (Allen/Williams), or LVR (Adams/Renfrow)? I think Tim Patrick is the only one you could make a reasonable argument that a KC receiver would start over.

I do think that the chiefs probably have the worst group of receivers in the AFCW but I really don’t see the Denver receivers as being all that great although they’ve been catching passes from Drew Lock so maybe they will look better this year.

You could say the same for JSS though, spending his last few seasons catching balls from a washed up Big Ben, and Mason Rudolph.

I mean, seriously, What has Jerry Jeudy done in the NFL?

Yes the DEs are awful and worse, but which group is more fundamental to the team's success.To be honest I could be talked around to your position but I think I also have a lower estimation of JSS and MVS. To me, both groups are pretty horrible.

Played with total scrubs throwing him the ball.

Why? For love of god if you compare JSS to any #2 WR in the AFCW it's not even close.

He can catch though right?

Russ is gonna make him a star

I just dont see value in the Broncos receivers...Sutton, Patrick, Jeudy and wtf at tight end

THANK YOU!

Wilson had Mercalf and Locket and that didn't get them but trips home. No playoffs.

I’d agree with this and the chiefs are well positioned to add through the draft.

I keep reading that we are in talks with Gilmore? Is that true

Yes, talks. Meaning he's willing to consider dropping his price. We may add Gilmore or Bradberry but not both. Dude is 31 and missed a bunch of games last year.

I’d add both. No such thing as a bad 1 year deal…

Hell yeah.

Gilmore and Tyrann need to swallow some pride and decide what’s most important to them.

Tyrann to the donkeys?????

The dream is dead.

Kyzir White signing with the Eagles. 1/$5M, repotedly.

That's so cheap. I can't imagine why they didn't explore it.

I am disapppointed.

Mathieu isn’t coming back.

Move on

Fly a banner?

It had to be that they just weren’t interested in him.

Landry wants 20 million AAV. Good ****ing luck, dude. LMAO

White would have been a great option st that price point. Veach must not think his skill set matched up with their needs at the position very well. Or he has something “under the rug” for lA to let him walk and for nobody to give him more than that.

The White situation reminds me of when we all love a prospect, and we’re screaming for the Chiefs to draft them in round 3 and they proceed to fall to the end of day 3, or not even get drafted.

Sometimes, the entire NFL tells us that that guy isn’t as good as we thought.

This and I’m as guilty of it as anyone lol.

The Arden Key news has gone silent. He was here for a visit on Friday. I haven’t seen anything that he left but I would think a deal wouldn’t take this long.

Sutton, Patrick, Jeudy and Hamler should benefit greatly from Wilson and a focus on Williams as the lead RB. I’m not sold on Albert O at TE, but FA abs the draft can help there.

Bobby Wagner should be a CHIEF!

LMAO

Love how Hardman is JAG but you think Hamler and Patrick aren’t.

He must have a highly inflated self ego or something to not be able to strike a deal somewhere by now.

His sacks snd pressures come against guards and his run defense is a concern so there’s probably a difference in perceived value.

I never said they were better than JAG status or not...

Key has had an interesting free agency. He had zero interest at the onset, then has been on numerous visits thereafter. I thought KC would lock him down on his visit, and we would hear something this weekend. Not a word…

Would love to see him sign in KC…wondering if vets like Ingram, Clowney, Houston, Vernon, etc. are impacting his “worth”.

Tyran wanted $15 mil, Leonard Fournette wanted $12 mil, Landry set his bar at $20 mil, Arden Key may think he's worth Ogbah money. They all have one thing in common. Their true values are almost half of what they want. Winning means nothing to them at this point.

That’s a very tunnel vision way of thinking about it.

The players, agents and players association all want every player to get max amounts on every deal.

Maybe they should think for themselves. Getting greedy is how you end up with Tua as your QB. Their agents and NFLPA care nothing about that.

I can't believe people over 14 really think players should continually take millions less on deals just to be on their favorite teams.

Get a ring, up your price

You're right, Tyreek can count his piles of money from his couch while the Mahomes is shredding defenses in the Playoffs. I'm sure that'll make him feel much better. Money makes losing very enjoyable after all.

The yacht's couch is sweet. While the others play 2-3 more career ending sooner games

I don't understand why people not only think they know what the market should pay someone but then begrudge that person getting more than what Joe Blow thinks they should get.

You can always blow a big pile of money I guess. It's the everything fixer. -CP

Thing is the Chiefs gave him his shot then stuck with him when the kid was brought into it. The dude repaid them by threatening to hold out during his contract year. It speaks for itself.

You can always play in Kansas City again for less money again. It's the everything fixer. -You

He can also go outside in his backyard and surf too since he's in Miami now. I've heard that's pretty enjoyable. Might make him feel a little better.

And he already got a Superbowl ring. How many more should he have to get before he's allowed to get a market value contract?

That does sound nice. Arrowhead gets a little loud. It'll be much quieter on the beach.

YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE!

:sulk:

:deevee::deevee:

Nobody is in the wrong here.

Hill wanted to get paid because his last contract wasn’t up to what his value was. He took less and won a championship. He knew what his worth was today.

The Chiefs weren’t wrong because they drew a line in the sand and when he didn’t by over that…they stood pat. They got value from him while it was high and now they’ll move in a different direction.

Like I said - when you see a guy making something like 8 visits, it's a pretty clear sign that what he believes he's worth doesn't align with what the league does.

He's sounding more and more like a post-draft signing at this point.

But he's not going to like the landscape, IMO. There's too much DL talent in this draft. Waiting won't help him get the offers he's after.

Staylor is.

**** that guy.

LMAO

Now you're talkin. :thumb:

I like what Mitch and Andrew had to say. (Hope the link works. They spoke of the trade on NFLN.)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vapm15Evr5k

There has to be a trade in the works right? Why else would they restructure Thuney?

Because they needed to do something and tyreek was stagnant.

They could use the leadership.