I have ZERO idea why Chief Fan thinks our defense was bad today. It defies explanation.

The team that KC beat easily a few weeks ago? What’s your point?

I don’t know if anybody here is even saying that, but allowing three TDs vs the Texans isn’t exactly great. They need to be better in the red zone. I’d hate to know what the red zone efficiency is by the last three opponents. They all basically scored every time they made it to the red zone. And two of those offenses are garbage.

Agreed. I have never pinned the AFCCG on the defense. Now the TB defense didn’t hold the lead this game primarily because Brady and to a small part the STs did everything they could to lose that game. Had the Bucs offense been even remotely competent there’s a good chance we are celebrating a Bengals loss. Look at how bad Cincy looked in the first half.

I'm sorry but they've let 2 absolutely shit teams pillage us to season highs in points. This redzone defense is NOT sustainable to win a title. They haven't been able to stop anyone from 7s.

Chiefs are last in the NFL in redzone defense

redzone defense isn't a sustainable statistic anyway

this is about turnovers and penalties, not redzone defense

Disagree. It's a serious issue.

shrug

we have rookie corners and no defensive ends

turnovers and penalties

wow

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....and not being able to hold anybody to 3

they did that at the end of the game

that is a roll of the dice though, and not a sustainable skill

when you give the other team the ball on your side of the 50, the defense is not to blame

Make a ****ing stop against the worst offenses in football is not too much to ask. Fisted 2 weeks in a row.

they made plenty of stops - the texans were dominated

do you not understand the impact turnovers and bullsht penalties have on a game?

3 straight redzone TDs....to Davis Mills. That's a problem...a problem that's happened ALL season

false

Fat Russ and Davis feasted

I don’t think the defense was too bad the last two weeks overall, but red zone D has not been good.

Red zone TDs by opponents (last three weeks):

9 of 12. 75%.

Two of these offenses are allergic to TDs. Wilson threw a TD on all three trips to the red zone. Dude had 8 TDs all year before that game.

It would have been 10/12 if Boyd hadn’t dropped a wide open TD. And that Dunlap play on 4th and short near the goal line….I think we all know we dodged a bullet there.

Sugarcoat it all you want…..TDs in the red zone have been almost automatic this month.

but spags

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just for accuracy purposes, the Chiefs&#39; defense committed six penalties on the Texans&#39; touchdown drive, including the scoring play.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1604572103356841985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 18, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I totally agree. The offense won us all 3 playoff games that year. D was fine but man the offense was spectacular. Feels like it was just yesterday:/

Difficult to know where blame lies. You could say it's youth but then it seems it's vets that are playing worst. Could say it's just execution, particularly with tackling, is that a player issue or partly a coaching one? If it's a player one is it a lack of talent and therefore Veach's issue?

If there's a concern with this D I think it's that it doesn't appear to be getting better. Last year it improved dramatically the second half and I think outside of the sane old pass rush issue, Spags and crew did a great job. This year we just haven't seen that switch.

Whatever it is it's ridiculous pretending this defence isn't pretty bad right now.

My biggest complaint with the defense is 3rd & long.

They really need to figure that out.

Comes back to the pass rush. Just not getting pressure.

Defense still sucks . No surprise. We’re stuck with it the rest of the year and all the pressure will be back on Pat in the playoffs to “Make things happen “. Fire Spags next year and bring in Vic Fangio and let him get with Veach to bring in his players.

They held the Texans under 250 yards of total offense.

Stop turning the ****ing ball over.

That’s very true, yardage wasn’t bad and our offense ****ed us with turnovers as they have all season. But the red zone D is awful, a trip to the red zone can’t be an automatic TD like it is against this team.

Turns out an overmatched defense is more likely to commit fouls to gain an edge

Yeah I’m not gonna sugar coat this shit. The Chiefs only have 2 games where they had 10 or more penalties and it was both games Carl ****ing Cheffers referees.

That’s no surprise seeing as this mother****er has always ****ed us.

This is the same guy Kelce said isn’t qualified to work at a foot locker LMAO

Well, I mean, 3 or 4 of those were blatantly bullshit.

Phew!

For the first time Spags is showing growth in traveling our corners to be matchup specific. About time :clap:

By the numbers:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/matchup/_/gameId/401437937

Bottom line, the defense played just fine. The offense got bottled up for a significant portion of the middle of the game, and again the left defense on the field for pretty much the entire 3rd quarter. 3 straight drives, just one running play by the Chiefs to start the 2nd half.

Yes, that’s what I thought. Defense played well, a couple of hiccups, but a solid performance

Aside from a couple "penalties" and Thornhill F-ing up a coverage, they were damn good today.

'Damned good' might be stretching things a little, but they were more than good enough. LBs are still having some trouble with the underneath routes. Not sure how the safeties played because the broadcast doesn't really show much of that, but I hope they were better than last time.

Overall though, i liked their effort and they made a bunch of smart plays, and got stops when they had to. Bailed out the offense a little in the middle of the game.

NFL rushing leader got 45 yards.

Spags is postseason ready.

Just realized that Spags probably just ruined Stidham's bid to be QB1 for the Faid next season. Righteous.:D

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With 4 first-half sacks today, the Chiefs defense has 53 total sacks on the season. That is the third-most sacks in a single season in franchise history. The mark trails only marks of 54 (1997) and 60 sacks (1990).</p>&mdash; Chiefs Communications (@ChiefsPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsPR/status/1611858317529473025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Chiefs are currently 10th in yards per game LMAO

Spags built a top 10 defense LMAO

Shhhh.... people on CP tell me we're butter...

Last one, by the numbers:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/matchup/_/gameId/401437961

Once again, the defense is trending in the right direction as the regular season comes to a close. It's almost like we've seen this before . . .

4.2 yards per play is elite

someone calculate yards per play over the last 8 games

i bet we're top close to the top 5

with 6 of his top 12 guys being rookies.

Yeah, they've been inconsistent because they're HALF ROOKIES.

I don't think people really appreciate that. Spags has done a ****ing outstanding job this season, no matter what happens this postseason.

The Chiefs have given up the fewest yards since the 2015 season, in which they only gave up more yards than bc they played one more game (avg is better).

2nd most sacks (55) in franchise history.

He did this with rookies all over the defense. And people want this man fired? LMAO

This board is emotional

He can’t tackle.

Our pass rush stinks/Chief Fan

I think Joe Cullen and the D-Line coaches deserve some props this year.

Huge improvement in number of Sacks. We've also been batting down passes like crazy. It feels like the line makes a huge point to jump up and get those hands up when they feel they can't get to the QB, and that probably starts with good coaching. We don't have World Beaters on the Line besides Chris Jones, but this unit has been pretty stout in comparison to previous years. It's been fun to watch.

Today was, by far, the best day they have had on defense---which is great to see as we head into the post season.

20 points a game--if this defense can keep teams to around 20 points per game, we are gonna win the Super Bowl.

Our pass rush does not stink...but it does seem that qbs have a lot of time to throw a lot of the time---Stitham had time today, but made some bad throws.

He was also sacked a bunch and had a forced fumble.

Seems to be feast of famine for the defense...and when it is famine it can be pretty bad.

So tell me again who we were supposed to hire instead of Spags?

How is that different than literally anybody else?

Thomas Edison is purported to have said, "I didn't fail 10,000 times to make a light bulb. I found 10,000 ways how not to make one."

You know what I hate about a lot of DCs? It's how they keep trying to do the same things or rely on the same guy to make plays, even when they don't work. Over. And over.

When Spags can't get pressure with 4, or his best rusher(s) is getting canceled out of the play by double-teams, he finds another way, whether it's with a corner, a safety, or a LB. He calls exotic blitz packages, so the OL and the QB have a hard time figuring out who, if anybody, is coming from where. And according to the stats, it works. A lot.

Now that the secondary is finally locking into place, the defense is finally operating close to how it's supposed to.

And now we're going to get a lot more coverage sacks. Yea us.

I think our famine is a lot worse than other teams...and I think we fail to get pressure sometimes in key games and situations (like at Cincy this year and Buffalo at home).

I have been tough on the defense this year, and I think they have given up too many points to teams with really bad offenses (Tampa, 2 games against Denver)....but I think they are starting to hit their stride.

Also, winning at turnovers really, really helps this defense more than most. Keep the number of posessions that the opponent gets really helps. Saw it today--the Faiders had two turnovers, we had none, and on the drives where the Faid did move the ball against us, we made them use up large chunks of clock and come away with either nothing (turnover on downs) or a FG (8 minute drive in the 3rd).

It was just really good to see them give up less than 20 points today, especially after letting a really bad Denver offense carve them up for 28 and 24 points this year (two highest point totals the donkeys have had)

Div round opponent is ****ed

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs defense generated their highest single-game pressure rate (45.2%) over the last 3 seasons in Week 18.<br><br>The Chiefs pass rush has hit its stride entering the playoffs:<br><br>�� Weeks 1-13: 25.6% QBP rate (26th)<br>�� Weeks 14-18: 34.5% QBP rate (5th)<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KCvsLV?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KCvsLV</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a></p>&mdash; Next Gen Stats (@NextGenStats) <a href="https://twitter.com/NextGenStats/status/1611884058463862787?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's almost like football is still football.

Hmmm. I wonder if there are any players on the D Line that have had a surge forward in effectiveness recently that would help explain some of that.....

HMMMMMMM

https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/p...5olo2vsoye4nmi

Damnit Karl is a bust/Knowshit


Too bad he ended his rookie season with a half sack less than Dungvers leader, and more sacks than anyone else on their team not named DreMont Jones!

George KarlWattis

Hell, promote Cullen. But, there have to be some young up and coming assistants out there. It doesn't have to be a name guy.

Anyone who watches this defense, and really thinks they are looking at a Top 10 defense, is delusional.

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the players have nothing but good things to say about spags

he's going nowhere

To me, they look like there's a lot of talent, speed, and attitude; but they are inconsistent. Which is what should be expected with SIX ****ING ROOKIES in the top 12 players.

Lol, Cullen is like 55 years old. If he were DC material, he wouldn't be the DL coach in KC. You act like you can install anyone in that spot.

I mean just look at that caveman hairline and lantern jaw, he was BORN to do this LMAO

LMAO

Cullen has been a DC, and spent several years on the staff of a very good Ravens defense.

He has made a dramatic improvement in the defensive line this year, including coaching up GK.

His age has nothing to do with anything.

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Eagles RBs had 17 carries for 45 yards.

Spags, take a bow.

Not tonight, I'm afraid.

Hurts had almost 400 yards from scrimmage and 4 TDs. A lot of it was the players executing poorly but there were some BAD concepts sprinkled in as well.

yeah bullshit

hurts was throwing indefensible passes out there

spags did a fine job, players were in position, and in the second half, his defense got the stops to win the game

kiss the rings, bitch

Please elaborate on the bad concepts.

I didn't see many. I thought Spags didn't blitz enough from the outside in a couple of situations but he may have pulled off that in the game plan after several bonehead plays by his secondary against some really basic plays. I also thought he should have run blitzed in a few situations early, but he did end up correcting it and doing it a few times in the 2nd half with Gay.

And if anyone questions the Dunlap play in coverage on the zone blitz that should have gotten home when Hurts made a tremendous play, I'm going to ****ing bitch slap them all the way to the statue then let Billay teabag them.

4th and 5 conversion by Hurts was an awful defensive playcall. 5 in the box? For real? When he's been gashing all game? Bolton also executed very poorly on that particular play but he should've had some help.

Which concepts were bad? Honest question.

He does what he always does, he finds away to hamper teams in the second half

24 points in the first half, with only a 10 point lead, and basically holds them to fG and single TD (2pt)?


BAD ASS.

They didn't sniff the ball with five minutes left.

I think the reality is Hurts is just a problem. He's probably not the runner Lamar is and maybe not quite the passer Josh Allen is, but he combines those two things really well. He can run for 100 or pass for 300 and neither would surprise you. My only frustration was there were a couple times early on where it seemed like we weren't prepared for an obvious QB run. But there in the 2nd half it seemed like we were on it but it didn't matter.

Either way it's amazing we just beat the Eagles and Bengals who each have 3 elite pass catchers with a secondary that's a bunch of young guys and rookies.

The eagles are really really good on offense. Outstanding OL. Elite WRs. Really good RBs. And Hurts is way better than I imagined he’d ever be. And they are flat out unstoppable on short yardage as long as they are allowed to keep doing that scrum formation.

Our second half defense did just enough to help us win. And even if they got the ball back late in the game we would’ve shut that down too. Spags was instrumental to winning the first Super Bowl. We don’t get to the Super Bowl if not for our Defense dominating burrow. It wasn’t pretty but spags got the job done.

Honestly, who gives a flying **** right now.

We just won the Super Bowl.

LET'S ENJOY IT TOGETHER!

Outside the fumble Hurts had an MVP level game and Goedert fantastic as well. But the chiefs have become a top tier run D which was big tonight

Well, see, if the other team's guy makes a play, then it was a bad concept, because the concept is that you're supposed to stop them.