When Quenten Nelson falls to 7, the Buccaneers are going to have a mean as **** OL.

If Mathieu is on his game, that move gets us a lot closer to a potential SB. If Veach thinks he can still play I’m cool with it. Just want to see this team go deep into the playoffs.

Yeah, that's not happening.

He’s not falling to 7 unless people go crazy trading up for QBs

Too bad they’ll be wasting all that talent protecting that fraud ‘Crab Legs’.

If Quenton Nelson doesn't go 2 to Giants, he could be there easily with trade up options for teams looking at QBs. Denver could take him though

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Damn curious to see the #’s

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Compensation update: Former Cardinals’ safety Tyrann “Honeybadger” Mathieu is signing a one-year, $7 million deal with the Houston Texans, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/974841144138977280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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****!!!! WE could offer that no problem.

Safety market is shit which is good the th Chiefs

Why would KC do that?? Why waste 7MM just to see him walk after the 2018 season if he plays well?? This roster isn’t being built for 2018, it’s being built for the long-haul. It would have been a waste of 7MM dollars.

There’s a few that could help still

Yeah, that's really a pointless investment. Maybe we were going for multi year deal and the money isn't why he wanted.

Bailey
??
Jones
Ford/Kpassagnon
Hitchens
Ragland
Houston
Fuller
Amerson
Sorenson
Berry

Yikes.

glaring needs at DB and DL still, plenty of cap available... not many interesting names left on the list left out there

Also just saw Case Keenum has $7 million gauranteed in 2019. That sure as hell doesn’t sound like Denver is taking a QB. They wouldn’t sit a top 5 pick at QB for 2 years or cut Keenum and eat $7 million in dead cap in 2019.

Nelson starts over Amerson.

You know they’re going to add to that group by August. Relax.

Honey Badger was cheap compared to Fuller #2.

"The Chicago Bears matched the Green Bay Packers' four-year, $56 million offer sheet for cornerback Kyle Fuller on Friday, according to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport."

Yeah, plenty of talent for old man Sutton, as promised.

Well the safety market was non-existent bc Honey Badger hadn’t set it until now.

We’ll see, but HB getting only $7 million is great news. All the other safeties must be pissed that he lowered the market

This is what pisses me off.

The brass made it clear that personnel was the culprit for the defense not showing up this season, yet the Chiefs have made marginal changes thus far:

OUT: DJ, Hali, Logan (maybe), Peters, Mitchell, Parker, R.Wilson, Revis, Gaines, KPL and other scrubs.

IN: Fuller, Hitchens, Jenkins retained, Nunez-Roches tendered, T. Smith retained

Chiefs are nuts if they think the draft will fill holes on this talent depleted defense. I know more moves will happen, but Jack and Shit remains for quality FA’s to re-tool what we were led to believe is a contender. DL and secondary are below average right now.

I wouldn’t mind bringing Logan back on a decent deal

I think we maybe nab one of those guys and hopefully trade for someone on a rookie contract who can play somewhere on defense. Draft guys on top of it.

It won’t be that bad when it’s all said and done I believe, Veach has been too aggressive filling holes since last July for me to expect otherwise.

Who’s still available at safety ?

No other real option.

Offer him $13 million over two years.

Besides Peters what’s the bitch? Having him on the roster just makes you feel better. He’s the only thing we have really lost but we have brought in Fuller and Hitch. Settle down folks

5 of the first 6 will be QB's. The Bucs will have their choice of Bradley Chubb or Nelson.

Hey, don't worry, Watkins and his 16 million AAV will ensure we don't even need a quality defense./Veach

Heh.

Vacarro still out there available

I like Boston the most. Some don’t, but I look at him and see a guy who has gotten better each of the past two years, and he’s just 25. You sign him, you’re probably getting his prime years. And I wouldn’t be surprised if you got him for less than Ron Parker got paid.

He’s got some range, some instincts. Blitzes pretty well if you need that, plays hard. That’s my guy.

I agree.

I think we sign one more player on defense and trade up in the draft. I’m thinking they nab 2 defensive players early who will play immediately.

Hope we trade our Rams 2nd for a player too.

**** it, go get Suh.

Vacarro
Ej Gaines and Logan

Where is the improvement at DL and Pass Rush?

Boston will hit a MFer when necessary. —> https://youtu.be/sX0EDRvMHhs

Respectfully disagree. Too much of a true FS for how Chiefs scheme safeties. Benefitted from elite front 7 play. Capable, but underwhelming tackler. Not a man coverage guy.

No to Gaines. Horrible scheme fit, small and oft-injured.

Our front 7 is stagnant so far. Hitchens was a good start but without a good NT to eat up space and blockers to allow Ragland and Hitchens to do their work we're kind of screwed.

And the Bills paid a 2-down NT $10M per year in Lotulelei. He’s not even worth half that IMO. Poe got $9M per year which would have been a tough pill to swallow as well for a guy who hasn’t been his dominant self since 2014.

Find someone in the draft or use Logan again for cheap.

From Twitter:

So I was looking at PFF's safety grades and thought this was interesting. Here are a few coverage grades and where they ranked amongst safeties.

Tre Boston - 87.8 - 9th
Eric Reid - 83.5 - 25th
Daniel Sorensen - 81.8 - 30th
Ron Parker - 45.9 - 76th
Eric Murray - 42.9 - 81st
- @LyleGraversen

I think they wanted to get I the dl market but that shit got expensive

Maybe they think the biggest problem with the d wasn’t necessarily the dl but the lbers

Then abandon the 3-4 front if you don't feel comfortable paying vital pieces market value. With how many 3 man rushes captain dumb **** likes to send, we need actual talent on our D Line, not bargain bin turds.

Not gonna happen

34 43 doesn’t matter

They’re not in a base set very often. Less than 30 %

Preach.

@RealMNchiefsfan: Reid and Hunt made it clear after the season that they viewed the defensive failure last season as a talent issue, not a Sutton issue. Sold out on that idea.

I'm not seeing the urgency in free agency to remedy that. Love Fuller and Hitchens, but that's not enough.

Over half of nfl defenses rushed 3 players and played zone like Sutton did. We saw it a lot vs Houston, like almost a quarter of the game. Teams are going to use the 3 man rush defense 90+% when it’s 3rd and goal on an obvious passing down bc more players+the endzone barrier=shorter field and tighter windows.

It would not shock anyone here if Veach simply waits to get a good deal bc Dorsey’s dumbass spent $8 million on Bennie Logan.

Give it time. Let’s see what happens.

Give me Boston or Reid. Make Sorensen a June 1st cut.

He gets paid too much for it but as the 3 or so safety I don’t mind Sorensen

Playing him in the box and such, nah

Yeah Bennie Logan played 52% of the snaps last year, and a decent portion of it was as a DE in the nickel/dime.

Let the market drive the price down and sign a guy for a much cheaper deal. There will be players available.

Yeah, that's what I despise about Sutton. I'm sick of watching nickel and dime shit, and if the talent on the team is why it continues to be run that way, then get ****ing busy and find some players so I don't have to watch that shit anymore.

I’d guess though any of the free agent dl that are older than 27ish, they were t interested in

I’d still like to see them trade for a young dude up there

That’s todays nfl

It’s not just the chiefs.

It’s why I don’t really care a whole he’ll of a lot about getting a true legit Nt. Dude is only gonna play like 12 snaps per game

Give me more Chris jones type guys

But we’ll see

They need to address the dl for sure I think

Veach told us already that he likes to look at guys on the last year of deals for potential trades.

I bet if they have a perceived hole after the draft he finds a way to fill it via trade.

It’s amazing that’s people want Veach to make a desperate attempt to fix the defense through free agency.

We tried to get Wilkerson on what would’ve been a solid deal, but he chose the Packers for the same deal. Nothing we can do about that.

Richardson, Poe, Star etc. were too expensive and not worth the risk for their own respective reasons.

We signed arguably the best free agent off the ball LB.

Johnson and Butler are too close to 30 to justify overpaying. At safety, we showed interest in Mathieu, but probably couldn’t make it work with a one year deal (which is what he was probably looking for considering his market). Veach at least secured Fuller when he knew Peters was gone and quickly got a guy that’s had success and we are familiar with in Amerson. Things could definitely be worse in the secondary.

There were no edge rushers this year in free agency, so anybody complaining about not upgrading there is a ****ing moron.

It’s easy as a fan to say “we should’ve gotten a _____”, but that’s not how this works. When you try to fix a defense through free agency and focus on needs instead of fits and players you actually really like (Veach tried trading for Watkins and Hitchens in TC) you end up with a Sean Smith, Bruce Irvin, and Reggie Nelson kind of offseason that sounds good on paper but doesn’t actually fix anything at all.

Eh, not really wrong

I’d say though that those three added in Oakland should have been way better but the coaching was awful

Veach needs to kill the draft though for the d to really turn around based on the moves this far

I think that’s their 1st draft pick. Lot of talent in rd 2 at that position and Bailey is a FA after this season. Plus it’s a deep corner class.

Makes too much sense IMO.

I want the Chiefs to do it because that's what the **** they said they'd do when they justified keeping Sutton around. Now the difference makers are gone, we might actually be a bit worse talent wise on the defense, and our first pick is #54.

I guarantee you that Hamilton has more of a role as our NT next season.

Hamilton?

Justin Hamilton.

They would’ve busted either way IMO. I thought so at the time and it had nothing to do with the coaching staff and everything to do with the players, the fit and/or their ages.

If this defense is going to get back to where it needs to be it has to be through these next two drafts. It’s always been that way.

Never mind I’m dumb

But seriously they can’t pay big money everywhere

They need to hit on some real legit defenders on th cheap. Like the Tyreek Hill of defensive ends or the 4th round corner that just balls out

What difference makers are you talking about outside of Peters?

And if you honestly think we’re going to be worse you’re to fixated on what our roster looks like today. It’s ****ing March and the first week of free agency. Relax.

Peters is the only guy we’ve lost that was good last year. Let’s be real.

Hitchens and Ragland now give us two badass dudes in the middle who will hit your ass. I think that tandem could do wonders for run defense and change the mindset of the whole unit. Fuller is better than the FA corners that were available, I believe. We are lucky to have him. Amerson could rebound here and play well now that he’s healthy. We need big contract years from Ford and Nelson. KPass needs to take a big step forward.

Now we see what else Veach can do to add on. There’s the draft, the next waves of FA, potential trades. I’ve got a ton of confidence in him doing all he can to fill those holes as well as possible in this one offseason. He can’t do it all, but he’ll try.

I'm talking about free agency there.

God I’m such a butt****ing moron. Can’t believe I forgot this dude.

Looked up his pro day. 6’2” 315 lbs and 28 bench reps.

I’m fine with him being our NT. Put his ass through the lift program this Spring and let’s roll.

It looks to me like they think Hitchens is a potential dude there in the middle based on the contract atleast.

Would be nice

Has Hamilton ever played much I don’t remember shit about him

Nfl.com says he has played 4 games, 3 tackles and .5 sack. I remember seeing him get after mariota a couple times in that shit ass playoff game.

Huh no recollection on him

Be nice if he worked out though.

I remember him being in the game when Henry ran for the TD. He had a shot at him in the backfield and totally whiffed.

I’d still like to sign Kony Ealy and let him play some de and rush the passer

What's the scoop on Vinny Curry? He seems to be able to pressure the QB...maybe a bit expensive?

Justin Hamilton had a 7.68 3 cone at 315 lbs with 28 bench reps. Looks like he could be more than a standard 2 down run stuffer.