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O.city 03-16-2018 04:40 PM

The ks

Chief Roundup 03-16-2018 04:43 PM

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RunKC 03-16-2018 04:52 PM

I think the Chiefs will use one of their 3rd rd picks or their first 4th on a G. It’s a deep class

pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2018 05:05 PM

Jeremy Hill to New England.

Mother****erJones 03-16-2018 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13473518)
I think the Chiefs will use one of their 3rd rd picks or their first 4th on a G. It’s a deep class

If kc addresses DL in FA, Isaiah Wynn is who I was hoping would drop or Will Hernandez. But now we need DL so badly I don’t want a guard until 3rd at earliest

Mecca 03-16-2018 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 13473546)
If kc addresses DL in FA, Isaiah Wynn is who I was hoping would drop or Will Hernandez. But now we need DL so badly I don’t want a guard until 3rd at earliest

I don't expect it...unless something they don't expect happens.

I think you're looking at the first several picks being defensive players that can play early and often followed by a G/C Fulton replacement possibly a RB and a QB somewhere.

If they do pony up for Mathieau then they could get by without drafting a safety so you'd likely see a CB and DL early. Otherwise you might see DB's as the first 2 picks.

Mother****erJones 03-16-2018 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13473547)
I don't expect it...unless something they don't expect happens.

I think you're looking at the first several picks being defensive players that can play early and often followed by a G/C Fulton replacement possibly a RB and a QB somewhere.

If they do pony up for Mathieau then they could get by without drafting a safety so you'd likely see a CB and DL early. Otherwise you might see DB's as the first 2 picks.

I want them to trade up for Vea or Payne

Mecca 03-16-2018 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 13473549)
I want them to trade up for Vea or Payne

I just don't see that, you'd be looking at giving up way to much for a team that honestly needs some depth. The Chiefs need to hit in this draft with 2 starters and some good rotational depth guys.

They can get by with the DE's but we're looking at right now with no other moves needing a CB and safety and a NT that can contribute right now.

RunKC 03-16-2018 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13473552)
I just don't see that, you'd be looking at giving up way to much for a team that honestly needs some depth. The Chiefs need to hit in this draft with 2 starters and some good rotational depth guys.

They can get by with the DE's but we're looking at right now with no other moves needing a CB and safety and a NT that can contribute right now.

Allen Bailey, Steven Nelson and David Amerson are in contract years.

I think we are going to draft DL and CB first

Mecca 03-16-2018 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13473559)
Allen Bailey, Steven Nelson and David Amerson are in contract years.

I think we are going to draft DL and CB first

Possibly but at the same time they need a CB to start now, where they may just fill DL next year.

ToxSocks 03-16-2018 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13473536)
Jeremy Hill to New England.

Under the radar move that i think will be big for NE. LeGarrette Blunt part II?

Chief Roundup 03-16-2018 05:42 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bears?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bears</a> are matching the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Packers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Packers</a>’ offer sheet for CB Kyle Fuller, sources said. Fuller stays.<br><br>It’s a 4-year deal worth $56M. The key number is $18M guaranteed. Fuller already had $13M guaranteed from the translation tag. For $5M more guaranteed, they get him long-term🔒💰</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/974792542146441216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2018 05:43 PM

That’s a whole lot of money for Kyle Fuller, but low guarantees. Bears should have waited until the 5th day to keep GB from going after other players.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2018 05:51 PM

We’ve got another dude who claims to have sources saying to watch out for the Chiefs and Mathieu. —> https://twitter.com/imrknapp/status/...207887873?s=21

Someone in the replies section says this guy has been right on everything else so far. Also says Suh is likely to be a Saint. Not sure if he’s legit or not.

Chief Roundup 03-16-2018 05:56 PM

Why are the Raiders signing a Punter?

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pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2018 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 13473598)
Why are the Raiders signing a Punter?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Raiders Sign P Colby Wadman <a href="https://t.co/0p2rnRRZzl">https://t.co/0p2rnRRZzl</a> <a href="https://t.co/dQfucPLZBL">pic.twitter.com/dQfucPLZBL</a></p>&mdash; NFLTradeRumors.co (@nfltrade_rumors) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfltrade_rumors/status/974795330234605573?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Cause they’re going to punt a lot with their ‘98 offensive scheme.

Priest31kc 03-16-2018 05:59 PM

So much smoke with the Chiefs and Mathieu...Kinda like with Watkins...

pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2018 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Priest31kc (Post 13473602)
So much smoke with the Chiefs and Mathieu...Kinda like with Watkins...

I think it’s happening.

Mecca 03-16-2018 06:03 PM

Marquette King is pretty good so unless John Gruden hates him because well he does humorous shit...if Gruden's idea is he's gonna build this tough no nonsense old school team with no personality he's gonna be a head coach for about 2 years...

Mecca 03-16-2018 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13473609)
I think it’s happening.

I'm for it, I think it would do wonders to have 2 safeties who are versatile can both play in the box and can tackle.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2018 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13473613)
Marquette King is pretty good so unless John Gruden hates him because well he does humorous shit...if Gruden's idea is he's gonna build this tough no nonsense old school team with no personality he's gonna be a head coach for about 2 years...

That contract ties him to Oakland for at least the next 4 years IMO, and that’s even if they are winning 4 games a year.

Mecca 03-16-2018 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13473616)
That contract ties him to Oakland for at least the next 4 years IMO, and that’s even if they are winning 4 games a year.

Ok then he might have a team that can get no guys to want to play there other than no namers.

I'm beginning to wonder if the game has passed him by.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2018 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13473614)
I'm for it, I think it would do wonders to have 2 safeties who are versatile can both play in the box and can tackle.

Sutton loves versatile safeties too. Few are more versatile than the Honey Badger.

Just hope we can get the best out of him if it does happen. Could help a ton if so.

Sassy Squatch 03-16-2018 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13473592)
We’ve got another dude who claims to have sources saying to watch out for the Chiefs and Mathieu. —> https://twitter.com/imrknapp/status/...207887873?s=21

Someone in the replies section says this guy has been right on everything else so far. Also says Suh is likely to be a Saint. Not sure if he’s legit or not.

Same guy said earlier Mathieu had narrowed it down to 2 teams and its the highest bidder between the 2.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2018 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13473623)
Same guy said earlier Mathieu had narrowed it down to 2 teams and its the highest bidder between the 2.

Wouldn’t surprise me.

Let’s say it’s the Chiefs and Steelers (complete guess). If he likes both, it may as well become a bidding war.

ToxSocks 03-16-2018 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13473613)
Marquette King is pretty good so unless John Gruden hates him because well he does humorous shit...if Gruden's idea is he's gonna build this tough no nonsense old school team with no personality he's gonna be a head coach for about 2 years...

Just let it happen. Just let it happen...

Mecca 03-16-2018 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13473620)
Sutton loves versatile safeties too. Few are more versatile than the Honey Badger.

Just hope we can get the best out of him if it does happen. Could help a ton if so.

I know people site some of those numbers..he doesn't HAVE to lineup in the slot and single up on receivers. It does allow you to stay in your base defense more with both him and Berry though as they can both do more than a basic safety though.

Mecca 03-16-2018 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13473625)
Wouldn’t surprise me.

Let’s say it’s the Chiefs and Steelers (complete guess). If he likes both, it may as well become a bidding war.

That'd be good since Pittsburgh has no money and hates signing guys...

Hoover 03-16-2018 06:13 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> Make This Happen!!! <a href="https://twitter.com/Stuntman1429?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Stuntman1429</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/Mathieu_Era?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Mathieu_Era</a> Together Would Give The <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> The Best Secondary In The <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NFL</a> !! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SuperBowlCaliberDefense?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SuperBowlCaliberDefense</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefense?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefense</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Honeybadger?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Honeybadger</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/1R3qPRL81j">pic.twitter.com/1R3qPRL81j</a></p>&mdash; Milton C. Brown Jr. (@CaptainClutchMB) <a href="https://twitter.com/CaptainClutchMB/status/974784216738168833?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mecca 03-16-2018 06:14 PM

Spencer Ware is like....hey that's my number man.

Sassy Squatch 03-16-2018 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13473625)
Wouldn’t surprise me.

Let’s say it’s the Chiefs and Steelers (complete guess). If he likes both, it may as well become a bidding war.

Eh, actually looking through his Twitter feed he doesn't exactly have a reliable track record.

Mecca 03-16-2018 06:16 PM

I thought this was a good part of Breers latest column on si

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LESSON OF THE WEEK

Tyrann Mathieu’s been through a lot in his life, but what Wednesday presented him with something new. When the Cardinals made that call, it was the first time he’d ever been cut from a team. Ever.

“Obviously, I was expecting it,” Mathieu told me a couple hours after getting word from the team. “But when it happened, I was still kind of shocked. I was supposedly one of the best players on my team. Now, I’m cut. It was shocking.”

And therein is a lesson for all players signing deals this week: Check your contract, look for the first out the team has in that deal, and know that no matter how great things may be going now, nothing is guaranteed past that point.

It was just 19 months ago that Mathieu—coming off a Defensive Player of the Year caliber season that ended with a torn ACL—inked a five-year, $62 million deal in Arizona, the kind that has players thinking they’ll finish their career in the place they started it. The contract was trumpeted to carry $40 million in “guarantees.” Mathieu wound up making a little less than $22 million of that.

Truth be told, the reality that his circumstances could change started to hit the 25-year-old Mathieu during the early stages of last season. His rookie year ended with a torn ACL in his left knee, his third season was short-circuited by a torn ACL in his left knee, and a shoulder injury hampered him for much of his fourth season before ending it all together.

Going into Year 5, all the injuries and related rehab had taken their toll. And it was more about his mindset than his body at that point.

“I wasn’t playing well, I didn’t hit the ground running,” he explains. “And so there was noise, chatter about me and about what I can do and whether I was all the way back from the injuries. I’d listen to the radio, look at articles, they’d put that out there. The Cardinals can cut him. I was aware. So I just tried to put myself in a position where people would want me again. I thought I finished the season strong.

“I had a few years where I’d come back from injuries and play at a high level. And to do that over and over, it was poking at my confidence. That held me back, my confidence level down, and keeping me from what I was having to do.”

Eventually, it came back. He wasn’t all the way to where he’d been during his breakout 2015 season, but, “I was on that track, believing in myself, being instinctive, and not worrying about messing up and just playing football.”

And Mathieu thinks now with a full offseason, he’ll get there. That brings us back to his contract, which featured figures that required Arizona to take a leap of faith and ultimately challenged Mathieu’s value.

Arizona’s coaching change didn’t help. Where Bruce Arians’ defensive coordinators—first Todd Bowles and then James Bettcher—called for versatile, interchangeable safeties that could slide to corner, new coach Steve Wilks’ scheme would cast Mathieu in a more traditional safety role. That diminished what he was worth.

So Mathieu says the Cardinals first wanted to shave $5 million off the $11 million he was due in 2018. That was about a week ago. When he said no, Arizona came back and asked if he’d take a $3 million pay cut. And when he rejected that, the writing was on the wall and Mathieu was just waiting for the call that came Wednesday.

What’s next? Well, Mathieu says he’d love to find a football-centric landing spot with strong defensive history. And he says fit will be important.

“It’s not all about money for me,” he says. “I want to go somewhere where I can be completely immersed in football, and it’s not too much about anything but winning. I want to be a part of winning culture, where you feel that all the time. That’s all I want.”

In short, he wants back what he had a couple years ago playing for Arians—a place where he can win and get the most out of his ability. And again, there’s a lesson in there for every player, on how everything can change in the blink of an eye. Mathieu learned it, and he’d be happy to explain it to any younger player.

“I’d tell them, don’t have any regrets, just put your best foot forward,” he said. “And don’t worry about the business of the game, because it can get to you. Just handle what you can handle, don’t set your heart on being with one team, because things can change. I’d tell all those guys to just keep pushing forward.”

And Mathieu can say that now having little choice but to do so himself.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2018 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13473635)
Eh, actually looking through his Twitter feed he doesn't exactly have a reliable track record.

I found a few things that he got right ahead of time.

There’s no telling. Best bet on this one is Allbright if we’re going to believe anyone, but if it’s going to happen it will happen.

Chief Roundup 03-16-2018 06:18 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/Bengals?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Bengals</a> signing former Bills LB Preston Brown: <a href="https://t.co/8moQIFSYgK">https://t.co/8moQIFSYgK</a> (via <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RapSheet</a>) <a href="https://t.co/eHXAeRvmdg">pic.twitter.com/eHXAeRvmdg</a></p>&mdash; NFL (@NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL/status/974797531472375808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2018 06:25 PM

I think Mecca makes a good point. They will not ask him to be the slot CB here nearly as much as Arizona did.

My guess is he would only play slot CB if we were in 3-4 base and had to roll him up for certain formations. Rare occurrence.

Sassy Squatch 03-16-2018 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13473654)
I think Mecca makes a good point. They will not ask him to be the slot CB here nearly as much as Arizona did.

My guess is he would only play slot CB if we were in 3-4 base and had to roll him up for certain formations. Rare occurrence.

He shouild never, ever do it. Based on those stats I saw he's horrendous at defending it.

In58men 03-16-2018 06:28 PM

Chiefs can’t afford Mathieu’s flight for a visit.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-16-2018 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13473469)

Eat your dang bug. You said KC.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2018 06:36 PM

Buccaneers just made Ryan Jensen the highest paid center in the league. Wow.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2018 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13473657)
He shouild never, ever do it. Based on those stats I saw he's horrendous at defending it.

Parker wasn’t great at it either, but sometimes you’ve gotta do it schematically if they are in base. It isn’t common necessarily but it can happen.

Sassy Squatch 03-16-2018 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13473667)
Parker wasn’t great at it either, but sometimes you’ve gotta do it schematically if they are in base. It isn’t common necessarily but it can happen.

Then don't ****ing scheme to do it. It seriously can't be THAT hard to just not do schemes if you're not equipped with the proper personnel on your team.

Chief Roundup 03-16-2018 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 13473658)
Chiefs can’t afford Mathieu’s flight for a visit.

What? Wrong!

Chief Roundup 03-16-2018 06:58 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Think NFL is desperate for offensive line help? This week, we saw a ...<br><br>New highest paid OT: Nate Solder, Giants, $15.5 APY<br>New highest paid OG: Andrew Norwell, Jaguars, $13.3 APY<br>New highest paid C: Ryan Jensen, Buccaneers, $10.5 APY</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/974810106125832192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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MTG#10 03-16-2018 07:00 PM

My guy (buddy's guy) was a little bit off on the Peters trade compensation, but he's saying Honey Badger in KC is looking promising. He's been right about stuff before I read it anywhere else a few times but he's been wrong about stuff too so my usual disclaimer applies: take it for what its worth.

Mecca 03-16-2018 07:05 PM

The Jensen deal as far as being the highest paid center was expected to happen.
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pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2018 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MTG#10 (Post 13473705)
My guy (buddy's guy) was a little bit off on the Peters trade compensation, but he's saying Honey Badger in KC is looking promising. He's been right about stuff before I read it anywhere else a few times but he's been wrong about stuff too so my usual disclaimer applies: take it for what its worth.

He gets more slack on the Peters thing because literally no one could figure that for several days.

Sassy Squatch 03-16-2018 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTG#10 (Post 13473705)
My guy (buddy's guy) was a little bit off on the Peters trade compensation, but he's saying Honey Badger in KC is looking promising. He's been right about stuff before I read it anywhere else a few times but he's been wrong about stuff too so my usual disclaimer applies: take it for what its worth.

Intredasting.

RunKC 03-16-2018 07:11 PM

I hope Morse doesn’t ask for that much money. Veach needs to start negotiations for him.

Sassy Squatch 03-16-2018 07:12 PM

Where the **** is doomy when we need him?

Sassy Squatch 03-16-2018 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13473715)
I hope Morse doesn’t ask for that much money. Veach needs to start negotiations for him.

LMAO if he wants that type of money he can GTFO.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2018 07:13 PM

I’d move on from Morse before I paid even close to that much. We can find a serviceable center for much cheaper.

Hoover 03-16-2018 07:13 PM

I thought Albert Breer had a spot on column on how and why free agency is changing last week. https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/08/fr...-mmqb-notebook

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No offense to any of the impending free agents out there. This isn’t personal.

But you don’t need to rip off Bill Belichick or Howie Roseman’s free-agent board to know the truth. The new league year opens next Wednesday. And there simply isn’t a whole lot to be had on the market.

Yes, guys will get paid. There’s a good chance Carolina’s Andrew Norwell eclipses Kevin Zeitler’s benchmark of $12 million per to become the game’s highest paid guard. Ravens center Ryan Jensen has a chance of beating the record $10.34 million average Jags center Brandon Linder is getting. Patriots tackle Nate Solder could move into the Top 5 or so paid left tackles, if he chooses to bolt Foxboro.

And by now, you know soon-to-be ex-Redskin Kirk Cousins will at least have offers that will blow away what Jimmy Garoppolo got just last month from the Niners.

So the NFL is desperate for offensive linemen and quarterbacks. Past that? Good luck finding much. Jags receiver Allen Robinson is coming off a blown ACL. By his own admission, Patriots corner Malcolm Butler had a bad year, then got benched for the Super Bowl. Sammy Watkins? Trumaine Johnson? Carlos Hyde? Justin Pugh?

Yeah. Lots of teams have cap space, and there’s not much here to spend it.

“I think it was Carl Banks who said it, talking about the Giants free agents,” recalled one AFC personnel exec this week. “You’re not just buying the free agent, you’re also buying the reason he’s a free agent.”

That point’s always been a good one this time of year, but it’s more applicable than ever now. Almost no high-end players without strings attached make it to the market anymore. That’s why, if you look at any free-agent list this month, you may not exactly be pushing aside plans to track the madness on March 14.

In this week’s Game Plan, we’re going to give you a fun anecdote about one of the draft’s top quarterbacks that explains why teams love him; pass along the name of a position coach who could be a real difference maker on a new staff; look at the value of skill position players; break down the spot Seattle’s in after all the movement on Wednesday; and go through a ton of rumblings heading into next week.

We’ll start with the next phase of the player acquisition process, and that starts with the open of the new league year at 4 p.m. ET next Wednesday. And if you want overriding reasons on why the group, on the whole, kinda stinks, there really are two: the cap keeps rising, and teams are getting smarter in how they approach it.

“That’s definitely the case, it’s been a trend and it makes sense,” said the lead negotiator for one NFC team. “It certainly fits with the logic that more teams are being more proactive in locking up their own players. I don’t know that there’s even another side to it.”

That’s the first part: More money to spend, more intelligent ways to disperse it. But there are different levels to this, so let's get into those now...

• Good players are signed earlier. More teams are getting in front of big contracts, and the world champions are a good example of it. The Eagles gave Lane Johnson $11.25 million per coming out of his third year. Some scoffed at that price for a right tackle. Two years later, there are guards paid more. They also locked up Zach Ertz at that point, before Washington’s Jordan Reed and Kansas City’s Travis Kelce got theirs.

The rule now holds that teams can’t do deals until drafted players complete their third year, and teams are acting quickly at that point.

• More trades. We’ve certainly seen it this week. And it plays into why there are fewer cap casualties, and fewer good young players making it to the market. If you’re sick of a guy or deem him too expensive, you’re more likely than ever before to be able to find a viable trade partner.

Bills defensive lineman Marcell Dareus was on his way to being a 2018 cap casualty before the Jaguars dealt for him, for next to nothing, in October. Ravens defensive tackle Timmy Jernigan was headed for free agency this spring, and then the Eagles traded for him in April and signed him to a four-year, $48 million deal in November.

The bottom line is a new aggressive breed of NFL executive is out there on the trade market. And so if a talented player isn’t a fit somewhere, chances are his employer will be doing more, and finding more help, to get him to a place where he is.

• A reliance on younger players. Analytics data says it’s smart to play guys early, and that loading up on mid-round picks is a more effective way to fill out the middle of your roster than to spend $6 million or $7 million on a middle-class free agent.

The result? Teams have answers on players earlier, so they’re less likely to be caught off guard by a bushel of guys coming of age at the end of their rookie deals, making for decisions to let some go to market. Those mid-round picks who grow up fast, because the roles are there early, get contracts before they expire. And teams put more value in comp picks, and to get those you have to do less in free agency.

The Vikings are carrying upwards of $50 million in cap space (hello, Kirk) with a loaded roster in part because they’ve crushed it in this area. Adam Thielen, a former college free agent, was a big contributor as a minimum salary guy in 2016, then did a four-year deal with a base of less than $20 million last March. Likewise, defensive end Danielle Hunter and receiver Stefon Diggs were middle-round picks.

• Cap space means teams can use the tag, if need be. So what happens when you do have a late bloomer? More teams than ever have the room now to accommodate using one on a player who they might want to see another year of production from, before signing that guy long-term.

It’s how we got here with Cousins, and there are two good examples of it this year. Lamarcus Joyner was just a nickel corner for the Rams in 2017. Then Wade Phillips arrived, moved him to safety, and, in the new scheme, they really had something. So they tagged him. Ditto for Dallas and DeMarcus Lawrence, who broke through in 2017 after being dogged by injury and off-field issues earlier in his career.

Years ago, the Cowboys and Rams were tight to the cap annually. This year, Dallas was fine allotting $17.143 million to Lawrence, and Los Angeles was cool putting aside $11.287M for Joyner.

• Matters of job security. If you feel like the turnover in positions of power with NFL teams comes up in a lot of different areas, you’re on to something. It does here, in a very interesting way.

In the past, the free agent market was drive largely by GMs and coaches on the hot seat. The 2016 Jaguars would be one example: Gus Bradley made it to a fourth year, and the team signed Malik Jackson, Tayshaun Gipson, and Chris Ivory. But coaches getting such a stay of execution has become the exception, not the rule.

With fewer teams taking this sort of urgent, short-term focus to drive the market, there’s less incentive for players to get there and fewer guys whacked on the back end.

So with more cap space, and more perspective, teams have wound up following what conventional wisdom has always held—buying high on the veteran market isn’t the wisest way to build a team.

It can help to supplement already good teams, like Denver’s 2014 splash (Aqib Talib, DeMarcus Ware, Emmanuel Sanders) did. But you won’t find your foundation in the middle of March.

“Teams are much more adept at seeing the whole cycle,” said one NFC team president. “More focus on comp picks, a lot more trades, it all plays into it.”

That, of course, isn’t to tell you not to get excited about what’ll happen over the next several days. The quarterback movement alone will be compelling enough to keep everyone’s attention. But it is to say that the pickings are slim, and that really isn’t just a one-year thing.

This is also why I have no clue what Oakland is doing signing a bunch of 30 year old players.

Chief Northman 03-16-2018 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13473715)
I hope Morse doesn’t ask for that much money. Veach needs to start negotiations for him.

Meh.

Make or break season for Morse. Fulton outplayed him last season, and his injuries are piling up.

Hoover 03-16-2018 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13473715)
I hope Morse doesn’t ask for that much money. Veach needs to start negotiations for him.

Trust me, his agent is going to advise him to test the market.

This is why we still need to be drafting development olinemen in EVERY draft in rounds 3-7

Chiefshrink 03-16-2018 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13473715)
I hope Morse doesn’t ask for that much money. Veach needs to start negotiations for him.

Hopefully AR/BV will draft his replacement for next year.:hmmm:

Chiefshrink 03-16-2018 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 13473722)
Trust me, his agent is going to advise him to test the market.

This is why we still need to be drafting development olinemen in EVERY draft in rounds 3-7

BINGO !!

Chiefshrink 03-16-2018 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 13473719)
I thought Albert Breer had a spot on column on how and why free agency is changing last week. https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/08/fr...-mmqb-notebook




This is also why I have no clue what Oakland is doing signing a bunch of 30 year old players.

You know how Gruden gets star struck with NFL players. Porn for Gruden is watching QB film.:D

Chiefshrink 03-16-2018 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13473718)
I’d move on from Morse before I paid even close to that much. We can find a serviceable center for much cheaper.

Yep. And I don't think he is that good either. Average at best IMHO.

MTG#10 03-16-2018 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13473709)
He gets more slack on the Peters thing because literally no one could figure that for several days.

True, but he actually works for the Chiefs so I'd expect him to be 100% accurate.

Of course he's not privy to contract negotiations, he just gives what leaks after its ran through several different people I'm sure. Kind of like the telephone game.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2018 07:28 PM

LeGarrette Blount to Detroit. Best back they’ve had in years.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2018 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MTG#10 (Post 13473731)
True, but he actually works for the Chiefs so I'd expect him to be 100% accurate.

Of course he's not privy to contract negotiations, he just gives what leaks after its ran through several different people I'm sure. Kind of like the telephone game.

Yeah, the guy who leaked the Mahomes/McCaffrey trade up info to me worked for them too. Usually solid ground to go off of.

Combo that with Allbright, HB liking that picture on Instagram... I think we may have something here.

Red Dawg 03-16-2018 07:32 PM

OMG! I'm back baby! Ban is over and it was killing me.

I will never go off the reservation again.

Sassy Squatch 03-16-2018 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13473734)
Yeah, the guy who leaked the Mahomes/McCaffrey trade up info to me worked for them too. Usually solid ground to go off of.

Combo that with Allbright, HB liking that picture on Instagram... I think we may have something here.

McCaffrey trade up? What was that?

Red Dawg 03-16-2018 07:35 PM

Give some of that Badger baby, I hope. Watkins was to high but who cares, Mahomes will make him useful and a bad ass. Hitchens is pretty damn good as well.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2018 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13473743)
McCaffrey trade up? What was that?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=307189

Sassy Squatch 03-16-2018 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13473748)

Ah. Yeah, I'm glad we got Mahomes.

BossChief 03-16-2018 07:45 PM

Did we trade for Aaron Donald yet?

What’s taking so long?

Sassy Squatch 03-16-2018 07:50 PM

Looks like the Giants are coming in hard on Mathieu.

Chief Northman 03-16-2018 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13473769)
Looks like the Giants are coming in hard on Mathieu.

Where you seeing this?

SAUTO 03-16-2018 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13473769)
Looks like the Giants are coming in hard on Mathieu.

Because they are trading us Collins:eek::D

Sassy Squatch 03-16-2018 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 13473771)
Where you seeing this?

https://mobile.twitter.com/OrtizDYST...07717394120704

Chief Northman 03-16-2018 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13473773)

Thanks.

Incarcerated bob also tweeted about 30-40 minutes ago in response to a question of the Giants interest in Mathieu and he confirmed mutual interest between the two...

Dante84 03-16-2018 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13473773)

That Ortiz guy is a fraud account. On my cell - go to Ben albrights twitter feed and he calls it out as bullshit

Dante84 03-16-2018 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 13473787)
That Ortiz guy is a fraud account. On my cell - go to Ben albrights twitter feed and he calls it out as bullshit

https://twitter.com/allbrightnfl/sta...691612673?s=21

Sassy Squatch 03-16-2018 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 13473789)

LMAO Allbright seems to be touchy on Twitter. Alrighty then, disregard it.

Chief Northman 03-16-2018 08:08 PM

Allbright is salty as ****. Heh.

Mother****erJones 03-16-2018 08:08 PM

I'm ready for this saga to end and for Mathieu to sign with the Chiefs

Chief Northman 03-16-2018 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 13473798)
I'm ready for this saga to end and for Mathieu to sign with the Chiefs

The safety market is in gridlock because of him....

Sassy Squatch 03-16-2018 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 13473798)
I'm ready for this saga to end and for Mathieu to sign with the Chiefs

Nah. Let him go somewhere else and we can move in on one of the guys left over. Think he's going to end up costing too much for what he currently is.

Red Dawg 03-16-2018 08:25 PM

We need a CB. I hope we land him.


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