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rico 06-20-2013 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9764600)
This site needs more Bob Dole, IMO.

Yes, yes it does. Someone should prompt that AphexPhin character to send Bob Dole a pm, asking for him to participate in this thread.

Frosty 06-20-2013 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9764602)
And political scie.....

....okay, mine was kinda easy. But I did have to write a lot. I have several hundred pages worth of completely useless position papers, capstone pieces and other such shenanigans.

And to be honest, having seen how many people now use the written/spoken word, I'm pretty glad to have spent so much time writing as that's a legitimate skill that I'll get to use against the hordes of miscreant 20-somethings that can't communicate in complete sentences.

I enjoyed writing, which surprised the hell out of me since I hated it in high school. I had offers to be a tutor in technical writing and almost went that route but the job opportunities (and pay) were too limited.

Unfortunately, between texting and posting on the internet over the year, my skills have severely diminished. :( It's too easy to get lazy.

DJ's left nut 06-20-2013 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian (Post 9764558)
I admire anyone who has taken the time out to attain their college degree, no matter in what discipline.

What I do find appalling is the following:

1) The belief that you must have a degree or your earning potential is limited. I may not be able to pull down Dr, Lawyer, Dentist or CEO money but I know many non-degreed people who pull down more money than CPA's, Accountants, and other degreed vocations.

2) The belief that having a degree makes you more capable of performing a function than a person with experience.

3) On the flip side, a person who doesn't have their degree bitching and moaning about having to work harder to prove themselves. It's the road we've taken....accept it, work harder to prove you are just as capable and overcome everyone's misconceptions.

My belief on degrees is simple:

The degree itself isn't what gives you the skills that make you capable of performing a function better than someone with experience. The degree is, however, a reflection of the skills you have outside of the piece of paper itself (notably the persistence to attain it and the commitment to improving your place in the world) and those skills may very well serve an employer better than mere experience.

Now, I agree that this isn't a universal truth; some degrees are just earned through daddy's money and some HS dropouts will work harder to improve themselves than I ever will. However, employers have to use the law of large numbers to make it easier on themselves. Overwhelmingly, the people that go after that degree are going to be more driven than those that don't. In a labor pool with an abundance of applicants, I don't have the time or energy to go digging for the outliers. If I play the percentages, I'm going to be better for it in the long run.

It's not a 'misconception' that you have to disprove if you don't have a degree. It's that you have to prove that you're the outlier to to accurate perception.

loochy 06-20-2013 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9764602)
And to be honest, having seen how many people now use the written/spoken word, I'm pretty glad to have spent so much time writing as that's a legitimate skill that I'll get to use against the hordes of miscreant 20-somethings that can't communicate in complete sentences.

their just a bunch of idiot's

Mosbonian 06-20-2013 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9764619)
My belief on degrees is simple:

The degree itself isn't what gives you the skills that make you capable of performing a function better than someone with experience. The degree is, however, a reflection of the skills you have outside of the piece of paper itsels (notably the persistence to attain it and the commitment to improving your place in the world) and those skills may very well serve an employer better than mere experience.

Now, I agree that this isn't a universal truth; some degrees are just earned through daddy's money and some HS dropouts will work harder to improve themselves than I ever will. However, employers have to use the law of large numbers to make it easier on themselves. Overwhelmingly, the people that go after that degree going to be more driven than those that don't. In a labor pool with an abundance of applicants, I don't have the time or energy to go digging for the outliers. If I play the percentages, I'm going to be better for it in the long run.

It's not a 'misconception' that you have to disprove if you don't have a degree. It's that you have to prove that you're the outlier to to accurate perception.

Unless I am reading you incorrectly I think we pretty much agree, just coming at it from a different perspective. I do disagree with the bolded statement to some extent, and that you just address HS dropouts not those who finished HS and got some college courses.

I will say this having been a Manager for a number of years....I keep my eyes open for all candidates just because of my perspective. Unless it is a highly skilled job, I give everyone with experience the opportunity to interview for a position.

ThaVirus 06-20-2013 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9764602)
And political scie.....

....okay, mine was kinda easy. But I did have to write a lot. I have several hundred pages worth of completely useless position papers, capstone pieces and other such shenanigans.

And to be honest, having seen how many people now use the written/spoken word, I'm pretty glad to have spent so much time writing as that's a legitimate skill that I'll get to use against the hordes of miscreant 20-somethings that can't communicate in complete sentences.

High-5, broski. I just wrapped up my Bachelor's in Poli Sci.

Donger 06-20-2013 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 9764641)
High-5, broski. I just wrapped up my Bachelor's in Poli Sci.

Congratulations. Are you going to teach, or go into sales?

loochy 06-20-2013 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 9764642)
Congratulations. Are you going to teach, or go into sales?

ROFL

ThaVirus 06-20-2013 11:11 AM

LMAO That's basically the issue I'm facing. Wish I had a better plan going into college but its all good. It was a good life experience at the very least.

Donger 06-20-2013 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 9764645)
LMAO That's basically the issue I'm facing. Wish I had a better plan going into college but its all good. It was a good life experience at the very least.

I understand. At least you can say that you are better than those without a degree.

ThaVirus 06-20-2013 11:12 AM

I cod have gone these route if I had chosen a different track though. Poli Sci degrees aren't completely worthless.

*could have gone the law route

****ing phone.

crazycoffey 06-20-2013 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 9764415)
It's an entertaining thread, no doubt. But it is so due to the rubberneck factor related to the train-wreck. I just have a problem qualifying a member's value based on the number of responses their threads have. Does that make Big Daddy one of the most valuable members of the Planet due to his girly thread? Who gets to take credit for this thread? PGM? Hootie? SaulG?

Don't forget the 10pm thread is up there. Certainly the majority here can agree that doesn't make me an awesome thread maker

Donger 06-20-2013 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey (Post 9764648)
Don't forget the 10pm thread is up there. Certainly the majority here can agree that doesn't make me an awesome thread maker

Agreed.

Frosty 06-20-2013 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 9764642)
Congratulations. Are you going to teach, or go into sales?

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/M...YziIX1ZvAl.jpg

Mosbonian 06-20-2013 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 9764647)
I understand. At least you can say that you are better than those without a degree.

Bull...


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