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htismaqe 05-04-2023 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16932939)
Draft gurus seldom do their own work. It seems half of these profiles were created by 2-3 guys and then the rest of the industry parrots them.

Brugler at least does his own stuff as does Waldman. I suspect a lot of the ESPN and nfl.com rankings are talking heads asking others and that's why the furious moving up and down the boards on guys just before the draft.

The furious moving up and down stems a lot from these "gurus" selectively hyping certain name players to get them more exposure. It's all about PR and money for them.

wachashi 05-04-2023 10:16 AM

I think Rice comes in on day one and is our best receiver at playing through contact - before, during, and after the catch. He has rare ability playing against physical DBs.

He might also be our best blocking receiver on day one.

He's good after the catch but Toney might be one of the best in the league at YAC.

I think with teams playing softer coverage against us, this is a great pick. He helps us right away blocking screens and sweeps, and can win underneath and after the catch. Not to mention I think he'll be great in the red zone.

T-post Tom 05-04-2023 10:54 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I think Patrick Mahomes will enjoy throwing to Rashee Rice but that’s just me <a href="https://t.co/A9rciEL4oG">pic.twitter.com/A9rciEL4oG</a></p>&mdash; Sully Engels (@sullyengels) <a href="https://twitter.com/sullyengels/status/1652113096633090049?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 29, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

MahomesMagic 05-04-2023 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16933011)
The furious moving up and down stems a lot from these "gurus" selectively hyping certain name players to get them more exposure. It's all about PR and money for them.

Remember the 2017 draft and the media was claiming Mahomes was MOVING UP the boards?

He never moved anywhere. Dinosaur teams didn't like him because he wasn't PRO STYLE!! and the teams who understood what he was were always going to take him high in the draft. KC mentioned they liked him for years.

All that happened was the industry draft talk guys realized their assessments were too low.

DJ's left nut 05-04-2023 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 16933142)
I think Rice comes in on day one and is our best receiver at playing through contact - before, during, and after the catch. He has rare ability playing against physical DBs.

He might also be our best blocking receiver on day one.

He's good after the catch but Toney might be one of the best in the league at YAC.

I think with teams playing softer coverage against us, this is a great pick. He helps us right away blocking screens and sweeps, and can win underneath and after the catch. Not to mention I think he'll be great in the red zone.

This is why I keep saying that he's something between what Watkins was and what he could've been.

We can use him REALLY similarly to how we used Watkins once he gets up to speed. And rookie or no, the system is the same to learn for rookies as it is for FA signings. If Watkins can pick it up quickly enough to be used in that capacity, so could Rice.

He's just gotta go do it...

DJ's left nut 05-04-2023 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16933215)
Remember the 2017 draft and the media was claiming Mahomes was MOVING UP the boards?

He never moved anywhere. Dinosaur teams didn't like him because he wasn't PRO STYLE!! and the teams who understood what he was were always going to take him high in the draft. KC mentioned they liked him for years.

All that happened was the industry draft talk guys realized their assessments were too low.

Yeah - guys don't 'move up' boards.

Sometimes a talking head gets a tip about where the player always was. Sometimes it's just a smokescreen.

But these guys set their boards weeks before the draft, months usually. They're 90% done after the medicals and a little extra film review made necessary by some combine results that suggest a player could be a little better or worse than you thought (so you go re-analyze his film).

But his idea that teams are just out there moving guys up and down their draft boards 72 hours prior to the pick is silly, absent an instagram photo of you getting high in a gas mask a week before the draft. There hasn't been anything new to learn in weeks. These boards are set.

"Moving up boards" is the most annoying thing these guys ever say.

O.city 05-04-2023 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16933230)
This is why I keep saying that he's something between what Watkins was and what he could've been.

We can use him REALLY similarly to how we used Watkins once he gets up to speed. And rookie or no, the system is the same to learn for rookies as it is for FA signings. If Watkins can pick it up quickly enough to be used in that capacity, so could Rice.

He's just gotta go do it...

Andy's offense is too hard for rookies to learn. Takes them a while, haven't you heard.

DJ's left nut 05-04-2023 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16933265)
Andy's offense is too hard for rookies to learn. Takes them a while, haven't you heard.

The real problem is that it takes so long to earn PM's trust...

https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/p...trycuzjec4vj0o

Well shit.

ChiefsFanatic 05-04-2023 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 16933208)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I think Patrick Mahomes will enjoy throwing to Rashee Rice but that’s just me <a href="https://t.co/A9rciEL4oG">pic.twitter.com/A9rciEL4oG</a></p>— Sully Engels (@sullyengels) <a href="https://twitter.com/sullyengels/status/1652113096633090049?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 29, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I see this and all I think is Rashee Rice played against some very poor, sub par AAC defenders who maybe, maybe are USFL bound if they are lucky, and Tillman was playing against a bunch of SEC players who were going to the NFL.

staylor26 05-04-2023 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 16933295)
I see this and all I think is Rashee Rice played against some very poor, sub par AAC defenders who maybe, maybe are USFL bound if they are lucky, and Tillman was playing against a bunch of SEC players who were going to the NFL.

God damn you're insufferable.

staylor26 05-04-2023 12:19 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Multiple impressive parts of Rashee Rice&#39;s YAC ability<br><br>- The 5-10yd explosion to break ankles<br>- The transition speed from receiver to runner, even on poor passes<br>- Enough agility to force misses but powerful run finisher<br>- Got that dog in em <a href="https://t.co/9UAL2Axocs">pic.twitter.com/9UAL2Axocs</a></p>&mdash; Matt Lane (@Matty_KCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matty_KCSN/status/1653839322829692950?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

ChiefsFanatic 05-04-2023 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16933303)
God damn you're insufferable.

Ok, I have to admit that I laughed while I was typing that.

The truth is that the AAC is not comparable to the SEC.

Mahomes threw a pass to Marcus Kemp in the AFC Championship game. Mahomes played one regular game with Albert Wilson and Wilson got paid by Miami.

I think that Rice is going to be good in this offense, with Mahomes and Reid. I like Rashee Rice, as I have said over and over.

O.city 05-04-2023 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16933275)
The real problem is that it takes so long to earn PM's trust...

https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/p...trycuzjec4vj0o

Well shit.

You're basically a Moore fan but with Rice now.

Time is a flat circle.

DJ's left nut 05-04-2023 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16933485)
You're basically a Moore fan but with Rice now.

Time is a flat circle.

Correct.

But it's because I think Rice is a better prospect and the arguments used to prop Moore up don't really apply.

I just didn't think Moore was a top 50 guy; more like top 100ish. And that level of prospect shouldn't create high expectations in year 1.

He did. They weren't met. But he can still be productive going forward.

Rice, as a better prospect, should engender higher expectations and I think he'll meet them.

I'm making the same arguments I made last season - I just think Rice is better and has a more adaptable skill-set to immediately contribute.

staylor26 05-04-2023 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 16933481)
Ok, I have to admit that I laughed while I was typing that.

The truth is that the AAC is not comparable to the SEC.

Mahomes threw a pass to Marcus Kemp in the AFC Championship game. Mahomes played one regular game with Albert Wilson and Wilson got paid by Miami.

I think that Rice is going to be good in this offense, with Mahomes and Reid. I like Rashee Rice, as I have said over and over.

Rashee Rice had almost 200 yards against a Maryland defense with a 1st round CB and a 2nd round CB.


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