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Unsmooth-Moment 07-29-2014 10:26 AM

Odorizzi looks good in TB, but I think we all know he would have sucked here. Because Royals. I'd like to think Shields has helped guys like Duffy/Ventura. That makes the trade a little more bearable.

DeezNutz 07-29-2014 10:40 AM

Signs that you've been ****ed on a trade:

Fans can point only to non-quantifiable or measurable "benefits" to justify the trade.

Prison Bitch 07-29-2014 10:54 AM

Good thing we have the actual data that proves the trade has been overwhelmingly skewed our way so far. The worst is attacking a trade based on "what could be" in the future, like Hootie is doing.

Demonpenz 07-29-2014 10:57 AM

Shields has helped a couple of young guys not kill themselves. "I Knew I played for the Royals so I figured I would kill myself, but then Sheilds let me know about free agency...so I didn't Kill myself"

Canofbier 07-29-2014 10:59 AM

I'd actually be interested to hear from Duffy/Ventura about what Shields' presence has meant to them and their development. Unfortunately, I don't think we'd get a genuine answer to that kind of question.

BWillie 07-29-2014 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 10772763)
Valencia is an .878 OPS guy against lefties this season. I'll take that all day. It's not his fault Yost used him too often against right handers, where he's at .467 OPS. Of course Yost didn't have much choice when Moose was in AAA.

If he'd been used in a strict platoon, his WAR would be better and he'd be much more useful.

Exactly. Quite honestly, we don't platoon enough with the Moose & Valencia combo. Valencia did what he was supposed to do in his platoon role. I mean in the grand scheme of things it's not that big of a deal. We don't really have a good third basemen that can play everyday, but unless this Hendrix guy ends up being a steal in coming years, I don't see the value in this trade.

duncan_idaho 07-29-2014 11:04 AM

I'll also point out that Odorizzi's success right now is based on a new pitch he unveiled this year. A lot of guys are seeing that from him for the first time (hell, a lot of guys are seeing him for the first time). It will be interesting to see how the pitch holds up over time, once there is a lot of tape on it and once guys have seen it live more often.

Demonpenz 07-29-2014 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10773388)
I'll also point out that Odorizzi's success right now is based on a new pitch he unveiled this year. A lot of guys are seeing that from him for the first time (hell, a lot of guys are seeing him for the first time). It will be interesting to see how the pitch holds up over time, once there is a lot of tape on it and once guys have seen it live more often.

yep...strikes is baffling people everywhere!

BWillie 07-29-2014 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10772814)
The Shields trade was made with the interest of saving Moore's job for a few years. That's the thing that blows about sports: the GMs almost always put saving their jobs ahead of the best long-term interests of the team. Coaches do the same.

Yep. And the non-facebook fans said as much at the time. It was clearly a duct tape attempt to not lose his job. It's a complete and utter failure if the Royals do not make the playoffs this year.

BWillie 07-29-2014 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 10773391)
yep...strikes is baffling people everywhere!

lolol royals hall of fame avie

Im drumming up support for Ken Harvey in 2015

SAUTO 07-29-2014 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 10772792)
That ****ing trade...

Have to get very creative in order to even come close to "winning it" now.

and I was beating the odo drum so ****ing hard...

DeezNutz 07-29-2014 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 10773409)
and I was beating the odo drum so ****ing hard...

Yep. You're going to be the man on that if he ends up being an ace.

Prison Bitch 07-29-2014 12:08 PM

I can only imagine the outcry had we traded Moose after 2012 when he hit 20hr as a 23 yr old in his first full season. Nobody knew how badly he was about to suck balls after. Or if we traded Erica after 2011 when he hit 19hr as a 21 yr old. Nobody knew he'd become a gutless ground ball hitter.

WhawhaWhat 07-29-2014 12:08 PM

Butthurt day in the Royals thread.

http://mashable.com/wp-content/uploa...3/07/Glee1.gif

durtyrute 07-29-2014 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Canofbier (Post 10773386)
I'd actually be interested to hear from Duffy/Ventura about what Shields' presence has meant to them and their development. Unfortunately, I don't think we'd get a genuine answer to that kind of question.

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