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Chris Meck 01-29-2020 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14757875)
Mostly I'm just asking if we should throw the "here's how much better the 49ers DL is with Ford on the field..." stuff out the window and instead replace it with "Here's how much better the 49ers DL is when they get to simply pin their ears back and attack the quarterback..."

Knowing full well that EVERYONE'S DL gets better when they just get to pin their ears back.

So...uh...don't let 'em do that. Continue to be the most efficient team in football on 1st downs and keep that defensive line from being able to get going.
Problem against the Chiefs is that if they want to do that, then that chute route to Damien Williams is open as ****.

You just can't cover everyone. You can't.

DJ's left nut 01-29-2020 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14757876)
I'd expect so. Saleh's no dummy. He's got to know he can't match up in man.
Tyreek Hill's short area quickness is such a destructive presence on man coverage, especially in short yardage situations.

When all you need is 4-5 yards, Hill's stop/start ability makes him damn near impossible to deal with. You can't get hands on him and you're not gonna cut with him.

You really can't run man against this team in short yardage because Hill's a man coverage buster in those spots. Those drag routes and hooks or outs that he runs out of smash concepts are just unstoppable. And you can't bracket him on those because there's not enough time for the guy coming from over the top to crash down on him.

So all you can do is zone up and hope a backer can flash out and get a hand on the ball.

DRM08 01-29-2020 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14757874)
To me it will all depend on Nick Bosa. He’s been the key to that pass rush bc he forces teams to choose between doubling him or Armstead/Buckner.

It depends on which side he’s on, but I feel 100% comfortable with Schwartz facing him 1v1 at all times. Bosa isn’t going to beat Schwartz with pure talent. It ain’t happening.

I also feel comfortable leaving Wiz 1v1. Everybody keeps talking about Ford being the key to unlock the 49er pass rusher, but for us that guy is Wiz. Ever since he took over at LG the OL has taken it to a higher level.

Wiz being 1v1 allows Reiter and LDT to shut down the other IOL and whoever is going against Fish can get chipped to death.

I want to see these guys angry. I want to see Kelce or Bell hitting the **** out of Bosa just because. I want Bosa taking a hit or being pancaked every single passing play.

Ford is a luxury item for them. Bosa is the key.
I’m guessing they won’t throw their best guys at Schwartz. They’ll go after Fisher. I’m hoping all the KC guys play lights out.

DJ's left nut 01-29-2020 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14757879)
Problem against the Chiefs is that if they want to do that, then that chute route to Damien Williams is open as ****.

You just can't cover everyone. You can't.
You can if you get there with 4.

Then the 'blitzer' simply tracks Williams on his route, presuming that he's probably going to put a chip in on the RDE to help out Fisher.

Williams is a more explosive guy than he's given credit for but he's not Kamara out there. He's not an elite route-runner that's gonna shake a guy in coverage. If you send 4, you can deal with him well enough (provided that your LBer gets through the rubs over the middle, which didn't happen on that wheel route TD against Houston).

pugsnotdrugs19 01-29-2020 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14757888)
I’m guessing they won’t throw their best guys at Schwartz. They’ll go after Fisher. I’m hoping all the KC guys play lights out.
Matchup wise, Fisher would be able to handle Ford much better than Bosa I think. I expect Bosa to be over Fish early and often.

FringeNC 01-29-2020 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14757878)
Yeah 100%. This would be a perfect game to execute in the way that they did against Chicago. Not that their game was perfect there, but they just did a really good job staying ahead of the chains.
I dunno -- we relied on a whole bunch of 3rd down conversions, and there's a lot of luck there. When this offense is really going, we don't face too many third downs outside the red zone.

DRM08 01-29-2020 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14757893)
Matchup wise, Fisher would be able to handle Ford much better than Bosa I think. I expect Bosa to be over Fish early and often.
Yep. Hopefully Fisher can prove the doubters wrong.

RunKC 01-29-2020 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 14757893)
Matchup wise, Fisher would be able to handle Ford much better than Bosa I think. I expect Bosa to be over Fish early and often.
Go ahead and do that Saleh. We’ll motion a TE over him every time, look him in the eyes and he’ll know he’s getting chipped. Every single time.

Saleh can try rushing him in the A gap to avoid that, sure. But good luck with that.

You’ll leave yourself vulnerable on the edge and this will happen:

<a href="https://imgflip.com/gif/3nhm1d"><img src="https://i.imgflip.com/3nhm1d.gif" title="made at imgflip.com"/></a>

pugsnotdrugs19 01-29-2020 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14757900)
Go ahead and do that Saleh. We’ll motion a TE over him every time, look him in the eyes and he’ll know he’s getting chipped. Every single time.

Saleh can try rushing him in the A gap to avoid that, sure. But good luck with that.

You’ll leave yourself vulnerable on the edge and this will happen:

<a href="https://imgflip.com/gif/3nhm1d"><img src="https://i.imgflip.com/3nhm1d.gif" title="made at imgflip.com"/></a>
We definitely need a couple of those from Mahomes Sunday, no doubt

A8bil 01-29-2020 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14757900)
Go ahead and do that Saleh. We’ll motion a TE over him every time, look him in the eyes and he’ll know he’s getting chipped. Every single time.

Saleh can try rushing him in the A gap to avoid that, sure. But good luck with that.

You’ll leave yourself vulnerable on the edge and this will happen:

<a href="https://imgflip.com/gif/3nhm1d"><img src="https://i.imgflip.com/3nhm1d.gif" title="made at imgflip.com"/></a>
What's interesting about that .gif is how fast Mahomes actually is. He may have clocked Payton Manning slow in the 40, but he's running away from LBs and DLs there.

DJ's left nut 01-29-2020 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by A8bil (Post 14757927)
What's interesting about that .gif is how fast Mahomes actually is. He may have clocked Payton Manning slow in the 40, but he's running away from LBs and DLs there.
Again - faster 20 yard shuttle and 3-cone times than Wilson or Watson.

He doesn't have a long top gear but he gets through the first 3 shifts as fast as any passer in the game. He's as capable as any quarterback* in the league of getting around a rusher and getting to the sticks.


(*Ed note: I said quarterback. Lamar Jackson doesn't count)

A8bil 01-29-2020 10:25 AM
This thread is slowly winding down...there doesn't seem to be much more to be said. The game is going to come down to PMII's individual brilliance vs. the 49ers' explosive pass rush. If Reid/PMII can figure it out, KC wins. If they can't, KC may they may still win if KC takes away the 49ers running game and JG can't move the 49ers offense. I'm hoping it's going to be a great game. IMO, you have the two best teams in the NFL facing each other, with both at near strength. What more can you ask for in a Superbowl (besides a win for your team)? Good luck fans.

DRM08 01-29-2020 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by A8bil (Post 14757937)
This thread is slowly winding down...there doesn't seem to be much more to be said. The game is going to come down to PMII's individual brilliance vs. the 49ers' explosive pass rush. If Reid/PMII can figure it out, KC wins. If they can't, KC may they may still win if KC takes away the 49ers running game and JG can't move the 49ers offense. I'm hoping it's going to be a great game. IMO, you have the two best teams in the NFL facing each other, with both at near strength. What more can you ask for in a Superbowl (besides a win for your team)? Good luck fans.
Well said. Hopefully it’s a more interesting and entertaining Super Bowl than last year. It has been a great season for both teams no matter who wins this game.

Hammock Parties 01-29-2020 10:45 AM
A friend of mine has two SB tickets.

He paid $5000 but forgot he's getting married on Sunday.

If you are interested, he is looking for someone to take his place...St. Patrick's Cathedral in KC at 3 PM. The bride's name is Nicole, 5-4, 115 pounds, good cook. She'll be in white.

staylor26 01-29-2020 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14757973)
A friend of mine has two SB tickets.

He paid $5000 but forgot he's getting married on Sunday.

If you are interested, he is looking for someone to take his place...St. Patrick's Cathedral in KC at 3 PM. The bride's name is Nicole, 5-4, 115 pounds, good cook. She'll be in white.
You stole this cornball.

Hammock Parties 01-29-2020 10:49 AM
someone posted it on my youtube comments and i thought it was worth sharing

sue me

The Franchise 01-29-2020 10:51 AM
It’s been posted like 5 times already.....even before the AFC Championship game.

Hammock Parties 01-29-2020 11:01 AM
look im not on the internet all the time

FloridaMan88 01-29-2020 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14757643)
In terms of talent, the Saints are the best team in the league
If the Saints were the most talented team in the league as you claim, they would not have lost to Kirk Cousins at home in the playoffs.

DRM08 01-29-2020 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14757991)
If the Saints were the most talented team in the league as you claim, they would not have lost to Kirk Cousins at home in the playoffs.
It was a pretty epic choke, similar to Baltimore.

All22 01-29-2020 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14757991)
If the Saints were the most talented team in the league as you claim, they would not have lost to Kirk Cousins at home in the playoffs.
Talent alone doesn't win games.

FloridaMan88 01-29-2020 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14757996)
Talent alone doesn't win games.
You are attempting to hype up the Saints as the "most talented team in the NFL", because that is supposedly the game when Jimmy Crappolo looked like a real QB who can win a shootout.

Try again.

smithandrew051 01-29-2020 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14757643)
Your oline is not better than the Saints, nor is anyone on your team close to Julio Jones or Michael Thomas. Cook, Kamara, Taysom Hill, Ginn... In terms of talent, the Saints are the best team in the league
Why do 49er fans keep dismissing QBs when assessing the talent on a roster?

Brees has clearly declined, which holds all that talent back. Mahomes’s ability to extend plays and make EVERY throw makes the talent around him perform at a much higher level.

When you consider positional value and impacts, the Chiefs are the most talented team in the league.

MahomesMagic 01-29-2020 11:10 AM
The most important matchup coach for KC is Spags. He doesn't need to win or even draw against Shanahan. Just don't get clobbered and Reid will take care of Saleh.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 01-29-2020 11:10 AM
Fun fact. With Mahomes being the starting QB the Chiefs have been down double digits 8 times and all 8 times they have came back to either tie or take the lead

DJ's left nut 01-29-2020 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14757991)
If the Saints were the most talented team in the league as you claim, they would not have lost to Kirk Cousins at home in the playoffs.
They probably were the most talented, dangerous team in the NFC around week 10.

But Brees just can't maintain anymore. He missed half the season and was still gassed by week 17.

The stats were still good because he's whip-smart and has a HC that was awfully good at working with what Brees had left in his arm, but there was just no zip on anything he threw.

If Bridgewater starts that Vikings game w/ Hill doing the same gadget stuff he was doing, the Saints win that game. The biggest problem NOLA had at the end was Drew Brees.

DRM08 01-29-2020 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14758006)
Fun fact. With Mahomes being the starting QB the Chiefs have been down double digits 8 times and all 8 times they have came back to either tie or take the lead
9 times. Unable to get into a tie or lead on the Seahawks last year because the KC secondary kept getting torched by Russell Wilson. KC was down 31-20 and lost 38-31.

I do believe all 9 of those double digit deficits led to 30+ points for the Chiefs. Getting the lead in 8 of 9 is pretty impressive. They won 5 of the 9, which is 55%. The average NFL win percentage after trailing by double digits? 14%

smithandrew051 01-29-2020 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14758018)
9 times. Unable to get into a tie or lead on the Seahawks last year because the KC secondary kept getting torched by Russell Wilson. KC was down 31-20 and lost 38-31.

I do believe all 9 of those double digit deficits led to 30+ points for the Chiefs. Getting the lead in 8 of 9 is pretty impressive. They won 5 of the 9, which is 55%. The average NFL win percentage after trailing by double digits? 14%
If memory serves, Watkins (maybe it was someone else?) and Conley both lost fumbles to Seattle and Benjamin dropped an easy TD pass that forced us to settle for a field goal. Mahomes’s supporting cast let him down big time in that one.

Frosty 01-29-2020 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14758020)
If memory serves, Watkins (maybe it was someone else?) and Conley both lost fumbles to Seattle and Benjamin dropped an easy TD pass that forced us to settle for a field goal. Mahomes’s supporting cast let him down big time in that one.
The energy in that game was weird. IIRC, they didn't need the game for the 31 seed and they approached it differently and didn't seem to have the usual focus. That was also the game Ward and Smith started at corner for the first time.

Pretty sure it was Damien Williams that had one of the fumbles.

DRM08 01-29-2020 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14758020)
If memory serves, Watkins (maybe it was someone else?) and Conley both lost fumbles to Seattle and Benjamin dropped an easy TD pass that forced us to settle for a field goal. Mahomes’s supporting cast let him down big time in that one.
2 fumbles lost. Pretty big in a 7 point game with 0 turnovers by the other team.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/matchup?gameId=401030917

All22 01-29-2020 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by A8bil (Post 14757937)
This thread is slowly winding down...there doesn't seem to be much more to be said. The game is going to come down to PMII's individual brilliance vs. the 49ers' explosive pass rush. If Reid/PMII can figure it out, KC wins. If they can't, KC may they may still win if KC takes away the 49ers running game and JG can't move the 49ers offense. I'm hoping it's going to be a great game. IMO, you have the two best teams in the NFL facing each other, with both at near strength. What more can you ask for in a Superbowl (besides a win for your team)? Good luck fans.
The 14th ranked defense taking away the 2nd ranked running game while simultaneously shutting down the 7th ranked passing game would be nearly unheard of.

The 2nd ranked defense shutting down the 1st ranked offense is basically par for the course in Superbowls.

FringeNC 01-29-2020 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by A8bil (Post 14757937)
This thread is slowly winding down...there doesn't seem to be much more to be said. The game is going to come down to PMII's individual brilliance vs. the 49ers' explosive pass rush. If Reid/PMII can figure it out, KC wins. If they can't, KC may they may still win if KC takes away the 49ers running game and JG can't move the 49ers offense. I'm hoping it's going to be a great game. IMO, you have the two best teams in the NFL facing each other, with both at near strength. What more can you ask for in a Superbowl (besides a win for your team)? Good luck fans.
It really is an epic showdown. I looked over the 49ers box score, and the Saints (and to a lesser degree the Rams the second time) are the only team that put up impressive yardage totals against them. The Niners did completely shut down many teams' passing attack. And we are the team that set the NFL record for yards per play in 2018, and now that we are healthy, we're back to that level.

All22 01-29-2020 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 14758038)
It really is an epic showdown. I looked over the 49ers box score, and the Saints (and to a lesser degree the Rams the second time) are the only team that put up impressive yardage totals against them. The Niners did completely shut down many teams' passing attack. And we are the team that set the NFL record for yards per play in 2018, and now that we are healthy, we're back to that level.

It'll be interesting because the 49ers gave up the least amount of yards in the air of any team since 2009.

FringeNC 01-29-2020 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14758037)
The 14th ranked defense taking away the 2nd ranked running game while simultaneously shutting down the 7th ranked passing game would be nearly unheard of.

The 2nd ranked defense shutting down the 1st ranked offense is basically par for the course in Superbowls.
Yeah, you're right. Sucks that the Chiefs are a 10 point underdog in Vegas.

wachashi 01-29-2020 11:45 AM
Someone from the future sent me this. Feeling pretty confident now.

https://i.imgur.com/Td2Gezx.jpg

The Franchise 01-29-2020 11:49 AM
Demi Lovato is singing the National Anthem. She also sang the National Anthem in 2015....the year the Royals won the World Series.

Megatron96 01-29-2020 11:50 AM
Ya know I just thought of this (no idea why it took me so long), but really when the trolls show up every week we really should just agree with every reeruned thing they say. All they do is spew nonsense and then double down on it. And if we try to respond with reason they just come back with th yet more nonsense.

Besides it would be that much sweeter when our “26th ranked run defense” stones their “1st ranked run game.”

All22 01-29-2020 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14757684)
No doubt Michael Thomas is a beast. Same with Julio. Saying Tyreek Hill is “not close” as a weapon is debatable. But even beyond, to all the weapons that follow? Chiefs have clear edges.

Kelce > Cook, Kelce > Hooper
Watkins > Ginn, Watkins > Ridley
Hardman/Robinson > Hill, Hardman/Robinson > Gage

Kamara/Murray would get the edge on Damien Williams, but He’s pretty even with Freeman at this point.

The Chiefs OL may not be better than the Saints, but it is just as good in pass protection.

The Saints have really good weapons, but the Chiefs TE and WR2-3 are clearly better.

You’re straying far from your “I want to have a good conversation and learn” intent and into troll territory, by the way.
Haha, saying Kamara "would get the edge on Damien Williams" is about as trollish as it gets. Alvin Kamara is top 5, if not top 3 RB in the league. He's a superstar and Damien Williams would struggle to even make the Saints RB rotation at all.

Hell, he wouldn't even standout in our RB rotation and it's full of UDFA's.

It's not debatable that Thomas and his 150 catches and 1700 yards is better than Hill. Like you said, the Saints don't have a great WR2-3 or TE next to him, so he's doubled all game, and he still crushed the league... even with Bridgewater at QB. I like Hill, but let's be real.

htismaqe 01-29-2020 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14758059)
Ya know I just thought of this (no idea why it took me so long), but really when the trolls show up every week we really should just agree with every reeruned thing they say. All they do is spew nonsense and then double down on it. And if we try to respond with reason they just come back with th yet more nonsense.

Besides it would be that much sweeter when our “26th ranked run defense” stones their “1st ranked run game.”
Exactly. We've been doing this for 20 years and it's only gotten worse in the last 2 because the Chiefs are now so good.

They're not going to stop and reason doesn't work so we might as well just tell them we'll accept our ass whooping and move on.

All22 01-29-2020 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14758007)
They probably were the most talented, dangerous team in the NFC around week 10.

But Brees just can't maintain anymore. He missed half the season and was still gassed by week 17.

The stats were still good because he's whip-smart and has a HC that was awfully good at working with what Brees had left in his arm, but there was just no zip on anything he threw.

If Bridgewater starts that Vikings game w/ Hill doing the same gadget stuff he was doing, the Saints win that game. The biggest problem NOLA had at the end was Drew Brees.
The Vikings had the 5th ranked D, even with their corners in steep decline. Their linebackers, edge rush, and safeties are as good as their is in the league. You don't beat them with trick plays.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 01-29-2020 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14758072)
The Vikings had the 5th ranked D, even with their corners in steep decline. Their linebackers, edge rush, and safeties are as good as their is in the league. You don't beat them with trick plays.
We beat the Vikings team with Matt ****ing Moore as QB. If we don’t win that game we probably aren’t in the super bowl

Beef Supreme 01-29-2020 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14758072)
The Vikings had the 5th ranked D, even with their corners in steep decline. Their linebackers, edge rush, and safeties are as good as their is in the league. You don't beat them with trick plays.
We beat them with Matt Moore.

DRM08 01-29-2020 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14758072)
The Vikings had the 5th ranked D, even with their corners in steep decline. Their linebackers, edge rush, and safeties are as good as their is in the league. You don't beat them with trick plays.
That’s such a great defense and team that they lost to a high school teacher at QB.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-29-2020 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14758082)
That’s such a great defense and team that they lost to a high school teacher at QB.
Ouch.

Andy Reid grins.

The Franchise 01-29-2020 12:01 PM
There no point in responding to them. It’s not going to change anything.

staylor26 01-29-2020 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14758072)
The Vikings had the 5th ranked D, even with their corners in steep decline. Their linebackers, edge rush, and safeties are as good as their is in the league. You don't beat them with trick plays.
Matt ****ing Moore dipshit

htismaqe 01-29-2020 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14758084)
There no point in responding to them. It’s not going to change anything.
Exactly.

Stop feeding the trolls.

Megatron96 01-29-2020 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14758064)
Haha, saying Kamara "would get the edge on Damien Williams" is about as trollish as it gets. Alvin Kamara is top 5, if not top 3 RB in the league. He's a superstar and Damien Williams would struggle to even make the Saints RB rotation at all.

Hell, he wouldn't even standout in our RB rotation and it's full of UDFA's.

It's not debatable that Thomas and his 150 catches and 1700 yards is better than Hill. Like you said, the Saints don't have a great WR2-3 or TE next to him, so he's doubled all game, and he still crushed the league... even with Bridgewater at QB. I like Hill, but let's be real.
Uh, Hill missed several games when h broke his collar bone, and was still on a pitch count until like week 12 or something. So you can extrapolate his stats from there.

And Thomas is no doubt the best receiver this season but he’s not the game-breaking weapon that Hill is.

All22 01-29-2020 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Beef Supreme (Post 14758078)
We beat them with Matt Moore.
Did you beat them with trick plays? No.

Y'all can't seem to stay on topic for shit.

ChiTown 01-29-2020 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14758084)
There no point in responding to them. It’s not going to change anything.
A-****ing-Men!

Pasta Little Brioni 01-29-2020 12:05 PM
Your red zone defense is worse than ours and when Mahomes is healthy we score TDs 70 percent of the time. 90 percent in the playoffs ROFL

htismaqe 01-29-2020 12:05 PM
http://www.johnlocke.org/site-docs/l...nggoalpost.gif

Megatron96 01-29-2020 12:06 PM
And how does one choose a handle like “all22 “ and all then constantly use the least discerning stats Imaginable.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-29-2020 12:07 PM
Shut the **** up about "ranked" defenses. KC gave up fewer points against a tougher schedule. We have the advantage at QB and defense and that edge wins more than 90 percent of the time. Points win games, not "yards".

RunKC 01-29-2020 12:08 PM
Wow didn’t even think of that. The 49ers and Vikings are almost the same type of team in every way. 49ers are like a better version of them.

Btw we dropped 26 on the Vikings defense with a back up QB who was coaching high school 6 months ago.

Hammock Parties 01-29-2020 12:09 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPdldrgW...name=4096x4096

All22 01-29-2020 12:10 PM
The discussion was about Saints vs Vikings, and whether or not using Bridgewater and Taysom Hill to run gadget plays is the best way to beat them.

Y'all have the attention span of goldfish. Yes, we know you beat the Vikings. Congrats. Now come back to the topic of discussion, morons.

staylor26 01-29-2020 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14758103)
Wow didn’t even think of that. The 49ers and Vikings are almost the same type of team in every way. 49ers are like a better version of them.

Btw we dropped 26 on the Vikings defense with a back up QB who was coaching high school 6 months ago.
1 point less than the almighty 49ers offense that is clearly better than the Chiefs!

smithandrew051 01-29-2020 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14758105)
The discussion was about Saints vs Vikings, and whether or not using Bridgewater and Taysom Hill to run gadget plays is the best way to beat them.

Y'all have the attention span of goldfish. Yes, we know you beat the Vikings. Congrats. Now come back to the topic of discussion, morons.
**** you! We beat the Vikings with Matt Moore!

DRM08 01-29-2020 12:13 PM
All I know is GOAT defensive coach Belichick is scared enough of Tyreek to double team him all the time. Hill’s role for KC is primarily a decoy to setup stuff for everyone else. He’s extremely valuable from that standpoint.

ChiTown 01-29-2020 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14758104)
https://media.giphy.com/media/W3ARcGxLcSu4w/giphy.gif

All22 01-29-2020 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 14758098)
Shut the **** up about "ranked" defenses. KC gave up fewer points against a tougher schedule. We have the advantage at QB and defense and that edge wins more than 90 percent of the time. Points win games, not "yards".
Ok, so our offense scored more points than yours and they played against better defenses. I guess we have the advantage on offense then :clap:

Pasta Little Brioni 01-29-2020 12:14 PM
The only apparel you turds will be wearing after Sunday (that hasn't been sent to Africa)

San Francisco 49ers...2020 yardage champions shirts

Pasta Little Brioni 01-29-2020 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14758121)
Ok, so our offense scored more points than yours and they played against better defenses. I guess we have the advantage on offense then :clap:
If you are a dumb**** and count Mahomes missing 3 games and injured for 4 others...limiting the red zone threat of his mobility.

All22 01-29-2020 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14758114)
All I know is GOAT defensive coach Belichick is scared enough of Tyreek to double team him all the time. Hill’s role for KC is primarily a decoy to setup stuff for everyone else. He’s extremely valuable from that standpoint.
No doubt. Elite field stretcher.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-29-2020 12:17 PM
Chiefs are 10-0 with all systems go on offense by the way. Blowing out nearly every team they faced in those. Good...the...****...luck.

All22 01-29-2020 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 14758125)

If you are a dumb**** and count Mahomes missing 3 games and injured for 4 others...limiting the red zone threat of his mobility.
Oh so injuries count now? Or do they only count for KC?

Pasta Little Brioni 01-29-2020 12:19 PM
Blew out the Ravens too (but but but garbage time jump balls!!!)

htismaqe 01-29-2020 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14758126)
No doubt. Elite field stretcher.
https://i.imgur.com/xLNEGeS.gif

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Pasta Little Brioni 01-29-2020 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14758129)
Oh so injuries count now? Or do they only count for KC?
When it's the best player anyone has seen play this game....yeah. Dumb****s.

Such a good team though 2-1 without him. Lllllllllllllloaded!!

All22 01-29-2020 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 14758135)
When it's the best player anyone has seen play this game....yeah. Dumb****s.

Such a good team though 2-1 withers him. Lllllllllllllloaded!!
HAHA.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-29-2020 12:23 PM
Chiefs have looked absolutely unbeatable in games he's been healthy. Best scoring defense in the 2nd half with that...uh oh I'd be ****ing frightened

smithandrew051 01-29-2020 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14758139)
HAHA.
Second best is Matt Moore. Did you know we beat the Vikings with Matt Moore.

Matt ****ing Moore.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-29-2020 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14758139)
HAHA.
With Jimmy Prunes at QB it's like trying to bed a hottie with a Vienna sausage

duncan_idaho 01-29-2020 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14758064)
Haha, saying Kamara "would get the edge on Damien Williams" is about as trollish as it gets. Alvin Kamara is top 5, if not top 3 RB in the league. He's a superstar and Damien Williams would struggle to even make the Saints RB rotation at all.

Hell, he wouldn't even standout in our RB rotation and it's full of UDFA's.

It's not debatable that Thomas and his 150 catches and 1700 yards is better than Hill. Like you said, the Saints don't have a great WR2-3 or TE next to him, so he's doubled all game, and he still crushed the league... even with Bridgewater at QB. I like Hill, but let's be real.
I'm trying to give you a chance here. You're going off the rails. You drunk?

Kamara is a monster. He's better than Damien Williams. He has the edge. I didn't say it's close. He's better than. I didn't discuss degrees of edge. But take slight with it if you will.

You claimed "Tyreek Hill is “not close” as a weapon" to Michael Thomas. That's what I said was debatable - that he "isn't close" to Michael Thomas. Hill is a legit #1 who has to be bracketed at all times by any defense. He's a unique weapon and absolutely is "close" to one of the best WR weapons in football.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-29-2020 12:29 PM
You are talking about a fan base that claims Deebo ****ing Samuel to be Hill's equal

The Franchise 01-29-2020 12:31 PM
Kamara is awesome. He also didn’t go over 100 yards in a game this season.

Total TDs this year.

Kamara - 6
Williams - 7

Hammock Parties 01-29-2020 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 14758115)
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DRM08 01-29-2020 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by All22 (Post 14758129)
Oh so injuries count now? Or do they only count for KC?
They count for both teams, which is why I think Vegas is correct that it’s a pretty even 50/50 type of matchup.

smithandrew051 01-29-2020 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14758157)
Kamara is awesome. He also didn’t go over 100 yards in a game this season.

Total TDs this year.

Kamara - 6
Williams - 7
Kamara’s numbers were good, but not great this year. He was not an elite player in 2019.


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