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Uhh, the Rays have the least amount of errors in the AL and the third best fielding percentage. The Royals? 7th best in the AL for errors and fielding percentage.

that means absolutely nothing

the Royals make up for all of that with the crazy insane amount of runs they save

the advanced metrics for our team defense are ridiculous

tk13	07-28-2014 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10772840)

I don't know if the average fan is sophisticated or patient enough to buy that line of thinking, especially with a team that has struggled as much as the Royals. They look at the here and now.

If the Royals win 86 games this year, then he can point to an upward trajectory and secure some extra years despite hurting their long-term viability.

Could be. We don't know what the Royals record would've been these last two years... or if Myers would've even panned out. They could've lost 100 games and Moore would be gone.

cmh6476

07-28-2014 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 10772841)

That Shields trade is gonna look awesome when we finish runner-up to the final wild card spot this year!

can't wait for the ticker tape parade through P&L

'Hamas' Jenkins

07-28-2014 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KCCHIEFS27 (Post 10772833)

Uhh, the Rays have the least amount of errors in the MLB and the third best fielding percentage in the AL. The Royals? 7th best in the AL for errors and fielding percentage.

FP and errors tell a small portion of the story. Every ball that you don't get to is just as bad as an error.

I'd rather have a shortstop that gets to 30 extra balls a year and commits 15 errors than a guy with telephone booth range who picks every ball that hits his glove.

Hootie

07-28-2014 09:33 PM

Derek Jeter won like 5 gold gloves being [amongst] the worst defensive shortstop in the AL LMAO

tk13	07-28-2014 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 10772829)

I have no doubts that Shields is a great, great, fantastic clubhouse guy. I don't even have anything against him. I love his competitiveness even if he's been league average, at best this year.

However...we have the best ****ing defense I've ever seen. They literally make every one of our pitchers have numbers that are better than they should be.

I can't ****ing imagine what Shields, Vargas, and Guthrie's numbers would look like without our defense out there.

I play DFS on FanDuel and read advanced pitching stats every day and our defense is hilarious...

Look at our team defense compared to everyone else:

http://rotogrinders.com/articles/Adv...ri_7_25-341649

Our defense is great... but I guarantee you even with that defense, a rotation of Chen, Hochevar, Luis Mendoza, Will Smith and Jonathan Sanchez isn't setting the world on fire. It certainly didn't two years ago, with many of these same guys... albeit younger. And for all his faults I'd rather have Francoeur in RF than Aoki.

'Hamas' Jenkins

07-28-2014 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10772846)

Could be. We don't know what the Royals record would've been these last two years... or if Myers would've even panned out. They could've lost 100 games and Moore would be gone.

Certainly. That's why I think he made the trade. He improved his odds of being in KC in 2015 at the cost of a better chance to compete.

It's the personnel equivalent of living off a home equity line of credit.

Hootie

07-28-2014 09:39 PM

those is how much better our defense is than even the #2 defense in baseball right now:

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...ers=0&sort=8,d

Hootie

07-28-2014 09:40 PM

that was 2013

this is 2014

(still the best, by a pretty decent margin)

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...ter=&players=0

Lex Luthor

07-28-2014 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10772834)

Odorizzi was a throw in from the Greinke trade. That was just extra ammo used to get Shields.

Odorizzi was a hell of a lot more than a throw in. At the time of the Greinke trade, Rany talked about what a great prospect Odo was and said he had the potential to develop into a top of the rotation guy. Throwing Odo into the Shields trade was the thing that made it truly horrible.

Hootie

07-28-2014 09:56 PM

throw ins like Odorizzi when you're already losing the deal is why teams like the Rays and A's are good small market teams...and teams like the Royals suck.

Prison Bitch

07-28-2014 10:29 PM

Lol at the deal being bad. Shields is at 6.8 WAR now and Davis is at 3.4. Yeah, picking up 10+ WAR is so easy any GM could do it! These are factored for defense anyway. Last year Myers was so awesome he put up the same war Dyson did and about what Lough did.

Dayton stole Myers in the 3rd anyway by money whipping him. Doesn't e get credit for drafting and then developing him into the currency he was? (Myers has been a total zero this year by the by). DM got everything he wanted from this deal. The Bermuda Triangle of Hos-Moose-Fatass is what sunk us. Period.

Hootie

07-28-2014 10:34 PM

where are you getting those outrageous WAR numbers?

Hootie

07-28-2014 10:37 PM

oh, and...uhm what?

There is a chance Shields and Davis are both gone next year.

Tampa will still have many cost controlled years of Myers and Odorizzi.

Odorizzi is already looking like a definite #2 starter for years to come...

and if you want to give up on Wil Myers that's your prerogative...I think he's still going to go to several all-star games.

we got totally raped in that trade. to a laughable extent.

Prison Bitch

07-28-2014 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 10772938)

where are you getting those outrageous WAR numbers?

Fangraphs

And they're easily the best in the biz on metrics.

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