He was too busy being the best QB in the NFL and playoffs and winning two SB MVPs and one league MVP.

Yep. Stopped reading immediately upon “PFF”…

Joe gets a golf clap and a he Bengals get a huge cap hit for Joe being PFFs playmate. Mahomes gets rings.

No doubt. Every GM would dump any player they have and trade every good player to us for PM.

Flaming Antifreeze Condoms vs Dildo Cradles for the AFC North

Unable to embed on my phone, but this is a great article showing how Mahomes is in a tier all his own and how Burrow, while good is flawed.

http://www.365scores.com/news/2024-n...s-mahomes-tier

The short answer is yes, PFF hates Pat.

They think the possibility of turnovers is somehow worse than actual turnovers.

**** them and everything they do. And yes, that includes when they say a Chiefs player is good.

Never ask an Irishman for accurate football analysis

Sounds like a Bonnie Raitt song!

https://media.tenor.com/MnE0oGuRSf8A...itt-singer.gif

Joe let that mane grow a little longer and you are the spitting image of Bonnie.

Awww, it's like little Joey's own little participation ribbon. How cute.

had the ball in the 4th to take the lead in the big game with those receivers... Failed. He will be busted up again this year.

I like the moves they made to improve the line this year. I don't think it will be enough to make the bowl but it should help to keep him healthy.

Now he just has to help him stay healthy...

Isn't there suppose to be a "T" after the PFF?

This is really good. Here is part of the section on Burrow.

Oooff.

Looking forward to rfaulk's response to the Marc Bulger comp. LMAO

Any word on burrows hand?

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One win when trailing with 8 minutes to go?! Hahahaha! He’s even less Joe “cool” than even I thought despite me banging that drum for years. It’s embarrassing people think he’s the second best QB.

Stroud will be the second best QB in less than 2 years

But he's so super accurate!

With Tee Higgins. And Jamarr Chase. And Tyler Boyd. And Hayden Hurst. And Joe Mixon.


Wait, how's the guy not won a ring with that arsenal around him, again??

Yeah, I agree. That kid looked to be the real deal, and he has weapons all over the place. The sophomore slump is real, but there's just a different feel with Stroud.

That's going to be a fun team to watch, and I look forward to their game against KC. If you're a fantasy nerd, get those Texan weapons if you can.

One of the best games of Mahomes’ career was the 2022 opening day game against Arizona Cardinals. He had zero turnover worthy plays in that game. It was such a blowout the Chiefs were up 30+ points in the 4th quarter and the Cardinals had zero turnovers, which means the Chiefs offense earned every yard and every point. 44 points scored (and let their foot off the gas in 4th quarter) with zero help on the turnover side of it.

PFF somehow graded Mahomes as barely starter level (70/100) in that 2022 Cardinals game, which is one of the dumbest stats I have ever seen. ESPN QBR was 95/100 and traditional passer rating was 144/158.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401437653

And there you have it

I love this part. We hear about that 3-1 record against the Chiefs on a constant basis. It's thrown at us as proof that Burrow and the Bengals are better, but it is no such thing. The regular season is just the regular season and 2 of those games are regular season. The playoffs are where all the chips are in the pot and in that realm the record is 1-1.

Then we should address the idea that the "proof is in the pudding." This is very appropriate here because the bottom line for any sport is championships. Every owner, every coach, every player, and every fan wants the championship. Anything less than the championship is some level of failure. Burrow has 0 championships. Mahomes has 3 championships. There is your "pudding," and there is your proof.

Wonder if it’s because he’s played only 50% of games since then?

PFF tries to isolate individual performance though, even though they do it badly, and points are a team stat. I can't remember that game, but if Pat was just throwing to wide open guys all day, PFF would not give him a high rating.

What’s crazy is that he’s not even in Tier 2. They have him in Tier 3 despite what PFF thinks. They do a great job laying out why they feel as such and as you posted, there’s a valid reason for it over weird PFF numbers.

I knew PFF is bad for certain things (offensive line?) but that is just trash. No need to ever quote that site again.

Yep, last thing a good QB would do is throw to somebody that's open. NO POINTS AWARDED!

I like that opposing fans come on here to post. Keeps the place more lively. I don't want this place to turn into a black hole of opinion like the Orange Mange who didn't tolerate outside criticism of their team and would run you off.

Couldn't agree more. Rival fans make the place more fun. Many seem to just want an echo chamber, though.

Congrats on your achievement.

You should throw a parade....

I really don't want you to think I am defending PFF, but you do know that bad QBs can also throw to people that are wide open, right?

all of the 'analysts' (and I use that term loosely) at PFF need to drink a big ol' helping of antifreeze.

Pretty much.

Mahomes won the MVP and a SB with JuJu's corpse and an old Kelce.

Burrow is a beta.

We can quote them and tout their awesomeness when one of the Chiefs gets graded highly!

The Bengals were every bit the Chiefs match for a couple years, I don’t see how anyone can deny that.

Time has moved on, the Chiefs have slid 2 more rings on their fingers, let’s see how the long term turns out.

Who in the hell is Scott Kacsmar? Oh, some dork that went to Pitt.

Big surprise. :drool:

You apparently do want to defend PFF to even engage in this. Mahomes threw a 76% completion percentage, 360 yards, 5 TDs, 0 INTs. He threw to 9 different receivers. There is no way his performance was "just barely a starter" because his receivers were getting too open.

Hiring unpaid interns to determine what is an expected turnover play or whatever is why PFF is a joke and yes they do this

Two things can be true, PFF is generally bad and also you can still be wrong about that game. You just come across as a dumbass saying he must have had a great game if he had 360 yards and 5 TDs. Per PFR, 192 of those 360 yards were after the catch, the average air yards per completion was only 4.3, and he had a fumble.

Plus per PFF for 2022, Patrick Mahomes finished with an elite grade and was their best QB per their ratings system.

I'm not even sure his 70 grade is "barely a starter" as you suggest, because I don't know their rating system well, as like I said PFF is garbage

One of the few things I agree with PFF on is that if a QB throws a pass right to a defender and the defender drops it, you should probably call that a bad play by the QB.

The same way I don't blame Mahomes when he throws a perfect bomb to end a game and MVS drops it.

I disagree. They have struggled to keep their QB healthy and won a few playoff games by small margins. We have 3 rings and blown out some teams in the playoffs. Beating the best defensive teams in the league. They have fell short of us.

That's not what PFF does that brings Mahomes down though. He gets brought down due to two reasons: throwing to a wide open guy, which he throws dudes OPEN which is different and PFF doesn't account for it.

Two, he throws into tight windows that PFF determines "should be intercepted". who decides what should be intercepted? You got it, unpaid interns.

It's why Nick Wright goes ballistic on them regularly. If your algorithm puts that game as a C level you need to throw the algorithm out.

He's 100% correct

Whatever system they have Mahomes breaks it

....and there's no ****ing way "jump ball Joe" is the most accurate by ANY measure. The bullshit completions his cyborg WRs came down with against us alone should dock him 50 points

Every bit the Chiefs match, meaning in games they could have gone either way every time.
Nobody can match the Chiefs run the last 5-6 years.

Whoever wrote the code for those cyborg wide receivers overdid the program for pushing off.

You should learn to football...

before talking about football.

Why would this matter at all? Is it better to try and throw hero balls into coverage, or spot receivers who will have room to run after the catch and hit them in stride?

At some point the raw offensive numbers just are what they are, and you don't need a lot of nuance and play-by-play breakdowns to acknowledge it was an outstanding day for Mahomes. Especially when you consider that there is a ton of guesswork for PFF as to what players are supposed to be doing each play.

I'm not a PFF hater. I do place some value in their metrics, particularly around o-linemen and defensive players. Their metrics can be good for trying to provide some objective measurement for areas that otherwise can't be measured. Don't need to do that as much with the QB position.

50 50 junk Hero balls don't ****ing count in my book

Is your book titled 'I'm a big fat dummy' ?

I can't believe you don't get this. PFF is just trying to separate out Mahomes impact on a play vs the Olines impact, the receivers impact, the coaches impact.

If Mahomes throws a screen pass to a running back, and then that running back takes the ball 50 yards down the field because of excellent blocking and the RB breaking tackles, was this a good play by Mahomes? Is it a play that any other of 50 QBs in the league could not make? Would it have been a worse play by Mahomes if the OL missed a block after 10 yards and it was only a 10 yard gain?

When Andy draws up a great pop pass play design, Mahomes pitches a ball 1 yard forward and Tyreek takes the ball 74 more yards for a touchdown, would you grade Mahomes the same for that as if he threw the ball 50 yards in the air, hitting Tyreek perfectly in stride for a 75 yard touchdown? The box score says these are the same.

I am sure PFF will try to give credit for a throw being placed in the right position for a receiver to get YAC, rather than a throw which is not placed accurately enough for the receiver to get YAC, but the majority of YAC will be down to the receiver who has the ball in their hands. It's almost like you have to watch the plays to decide if Mahomes played well, rather than just look at the end stats.

We both agree there is a ton guesswork by PFF, that is why I don't think its particularly good.

The idea that PFF should agree with the box score is inherently bizarre.. why would they exist as a business if you could tell all you need to by looking at a stat line? Why would any team bother with any analytics or grading, if the box score is so great?

No..."Ringless Brothers and Burrow and Zachey Circus"

An excellent question

I do respect the Bengals strategy...have a season-ending injury to Burrow every other year...then restock the roster with cheap talent.

The Bills could learn a thing or two from them...

Cody Burrow Rhodes

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I feel bad for rfaulk in a way. He's in here advocating for his guy and then he has to defend against this type of shit.

Looks like Burrow is copying a page from the Mahomes playbook and adopting the Coors Light diet

LMAO

Supposed to be some weird homage to Eminem or something?

He looks like Dustin Rhodes and is a **** hair away from becoming Goldust.

He's Cody Rhodes without the neck tattoo.

Guy keeps getting weirder. He's on track to be Russell Wilson 2.0.

Reminds me of this old book cover too.

LOL, I saw the movie adaption in the theater when I was 9 years old. Corny, but I still love it.

Only reason I ask is because the Bengals captioned it with 'guess who's back' and a few music notes.

Looks like Pink to me...

Burrow: 0-1 in Super Bowls. Gets hurt most years. Whines like a bitch.

Mahomes: 3-1 in Super Bowls. Single-handedly brought the worst offense of the Andy Reid era to a Super Bowl championship. Plays with a dislocated knee or a high ankle sprain.

Clear winner: MAHOMES

If only there were signs of CTE

So savage LMAO

What the hell did he do that for? Is is really that boring just to be normal and not change the way you look for no reason.

Aftab Karma Singh Pureval (Current Mayor of Cincinnati), Jerry Springer, Charles Manson & Joe Burrow. Cincinnati Hall of Shame’s most notorious members.

Just trying to wonder why people think this dude is better than Mahomes. Yes, Borrow beat us 3 times in the regular season but has yet to do it when it counts. The playoffs.

Not saying people here. Just from what I have seen on x, facebook, and yahoo. I can understand Bengals fans. But the rest.

Serious question, Is he a top 5 QB in the NFL?

Who wants to tell him?

From Kevin Mccallister to Cody Rhodes

Things got a little crazy with the Stridex prepping for picture day. Hydrogen peroxide and a good Maybelline foundation to the rescue

Well he edited it ten minutes after this and still didn't catch it so someone should.

He posted at 5:29 am, so it was either at the end of a rough night, or the bleary-eyed start of the day. Or both. Probably both.

He's also in the "wife brought a puppy home" thread congratulating TripleThreat on the new puppy that TripleThreat just got rid of.