We will see. Like i said before i will Congratulate you guys if you win. :thumb:

And KC will spend a bunch of its time on D in a 3-safety nickel, with Mathieu covering the slot and Sorenson walked up as basically a third backer.

This alignment has been a big key to KC’s improvement on defense over the second half.

154 to 143 yards per game says otherwise.

Try harder.

Thats when we will unleash our potent rush attack.

Nah...please don't. Blah, blah, blah...same shit, same shit, same shit. SF has a good team. Let's just play the game.

Yes sir it should be a good one

lol...did you really just type "unleash our potent rush attack"?

You sound like Cobra Commander rallying the Cobra forces to attack GI Joe.

lmfao..."potent rush attack"

12 fumbles? That ****er needs to wipe the olive oil off his hands before taking the field.

yawn.

Olive oil? You know better than that, It’s all that butt grease can’t hang onto shit

Sorenson essentially plays WLB in those sets and is good against the run. Good instincts and faster than most LB.

When paired with ends that set the edge well (Suggs, Clark, Kpassagnon) and DT that control their gaps (Pennel, Nnadi, Jones, Saunders) it has kept him clean and allowed him to flow to the ball.

I have a feeling this post, of all of the post in this thread, will not age well.

Good luck Sunday! Here is to an injury free game. May the best team win and the refs stay out of the way.

#QuestForSix

Think so? Come on back after the game and we'll talk about it.

Well...Clark is the better player right now and Schwartz is better than Staley. It’s a fair take.

Completely aided by the largest ****ing strike zone in baseball history. Seriously I’ve seen smaller strike zones in little league than bumgardner had that series. Combined with the tiniest strike zone imaginable by our pitchers. Do an overlay of the two strike zones and look at what was called differently. And yes the tv strike zone isn’t accurate but it’s consistent among refs and the disparity between how it was called between teams was laughable. Hell even the other giants pitchers didn’t benefit from it either as they had a smaller strike zone than bumgarder had.

Not a chance. He'll disappear like a fart in the wind just like the other giner pillowbiters

It cracks me up how hard the media is trying to hype up George kittle. Hell of a player but no star power whatsoever. The chiefs are easily winning the media game. The 49ers are good but they are a bland as hell football team.

I can't speak for the 9ers, but it seems like our guys from top to bottom are focused on the job at hand.

With that kind of determination, I'd be shocked if we don't win

Hardman cracks me up

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Good stuff

These guys are so much damn fun. We're stealing the show. Not even being a homer when I say that this is easily the most exciting Super Bowl team the NFL has seen in decades. Love them or hate them, they're entertaining as hell on and off the field.

To the confident 49er fans: we’ve played some good teams over the last couple years. If you guys are able to decisively beat the Chiefs, you’ll be the first team to do so EVER against Mahomes.

I'd bet a testicle he's from Georgia

Or perhaps you run so much out of fear that your QB will lose a game for you. 27 turnovers! Yikes! That’s getting near Winston level bad.

These 49er dorks don't realize the greatness that is Patrick Lavon Mahomes. They will very soon, though. They will be shocked to see when he takes over the game. They don't call him the Michael Jordan of football for nothing. That's what GOATs do, they take over and own their opponent when the time calls for. Jimmy G is a ****ing scrub who can't even shine PMII's shoes.

What KC can't afford to do is give up long TD drives that kill clock. If they are going to score then make them make plays under duress. If you try to read and react to Shanahan then you are in big trouble.

The scheme is the star in SF. Time to blow it up. 5 DL and 1 LB in Ragland on early downs.

Kpass and Clark at ends rushing QB after holding the edge. Pennel, Jones, and Nnadi inside shooting through and getting upfield. Ragland ready to tackle in the middle. Blow up their line and let's make them uncomfortable. Force them to win with Jimmy G.

The Chiefs are going to win! Yes!

I look how fast the D line is a getting penetration and making life tough for QB's......Your QB is gonna score points but it's not gonna be some walk in the park.

If you think you're just gonna throw it deep to your speedy receivers every drive and score 40 pts you Cheif fans are in for a rude awakening.

You're right, Andy will do what Andy does and keep it below 40 out of respect for the other team. We won't reach 40, you're right.

NO was able to score over 40 on this supposed defense of legend that Niner fans keep touting. Why can’t KC do it?

You wouldn’t win by 10 points in an IQ contest with a brain dead person you mouth breather.

Just like the Saints and Falcons games right? Your defense couldn’t stop those offenses, you sure as shit won’t stop ours. Our O line is better, our receivers are better top to bottom, out TE is better than theirs. Shermin Helmsley May not be able to cover our third best receiver, and that’s prob who he’ll be covering cuz he’s not good enough to shadow a 1, and especially one as fast as the cheetah.

Because that defense was missing 3 starters. SS - Tartt, LB - Alexander, DE - Ford.

Couldn't stop the Falcons without 4 of.our 5 starting DB's plus Kwon and Ford? 6 players is basically half the starting defense

Excuses, got it. Your junk secondary has been exposed already this season. Now they’re about to be embarrassed.

Your oline is not better than the Saints, nor is anyone on your team close to Julio Jones or Michael Thomas. Cook, Kamara, Taysom Hill, Ginn... In terms of talent, the Saints are the best team in the league

The Falcon O scored 23 points on our backup D. Y'all are gonna get smoked.

We also went 2-1 without our starting QB. If not for a couple of freak throws by Rodgers we would have gone 3-0. With a QB who started the season coaching HS football. Oh and this was also against two teams that made the playoffs in the NFC. Good teams overcome. Others make excuses.

Ravens were supposed to beat us at the beginning of the year.......we won easily
Chargers were supposed to win AFC West....we won it and swept them
Chiefs would miss the playoffs......we were the 2nd seed and won the AFC
Patriots don’t lose in December at home......until we beat them
Texans would beat us in a shootout......our defense stifled them and we won easily
Titans and Henry would run up and down the field on us and we had no answer for that juggernaut of a team......until we shut him down and won handily

Yet here is another prediction. Go for it, so far every other prediction was wrong, but hey your team who was an inch from the #5 seed and a couple of last second wins from not even making the playoffs will “smoke” us.

So then why'd y'all lose to the Colts?

They outplayed us that game. Good try though.

We were supposed to be one of the worst teams in the league.

We've crushed our two opponents from start to finish. We haven't trailed for a single second in the playoffs. Y'all were down 24 to a team that couldn't even make the playoffs in our division. And then you barely scraped by the Titans only being up 21-17 at the start of the 4th.

Yes, you're gonna get smoked. We're the vastly superior team

Pretty simple, our QB was on 1 leg. That is definitely not the case now as you're about to find out

Oh my you are delusional.

1. Mahomes has NEVER lost by double digits yet now you all are going to do what no team has yet done.

2. I go back to my statement about how your team was a few breaks from being either the #5 seed or not even in the playoffs.

3. A few early freak mistakes put us in 24-0 hole. We then went on a 51-7 run (with the only Texans TD being in garbage time). Talk about crushing an opponent.

4. You are a fool if you think either the Eagles or Vikings are a better team than the Titans. They were night and day different once Tannehill started. I would wager they could beat your “dominant” Seahawks. Oh and the Texans would make the playoffs in the NFC, but keep hope alive.

5. The Packers lost that playoff game as much as you beat them. They were not as good as their record would have you believe. Heck we almost beat them with a QB that a few weeks earlier was coaching HS football.

6. If you truly believe you are the vastly superior team then you go with what makes you happy. I am looking forward to a KC win so that trolls like you and your ilk can vanish for good. It will probably be more rewarding than actually rubbing the win in to you.

Surely you not picking out losses when you lost to the Falcons geez.

No doubt Michael Thomas is a beast. Same with Julio. Saying Tyreek Hill is “not close” as a weapon is debatable. But even beyond, to all the weapons that follow? Chiefs have clear edges.

Kelce > Cook, Kelce > Hooper
Watkins > Ginn, Watkins > Ridley
Hardman/Robinson > Hill, Hardman/Robinson > Gage

Kamara/Murray would get the edge on Damien Williams, but He’s pretty even with Freeman at this point.

The Chiefs OL may not be better than the Saints, but it is just as good in pass protection.

The Saints have really good weapons, but the Chiefs TE and WR2-3 are clearly better.

You’re straying far from your “I want to have a good conversation and learn” intent and into troll territory, by the way.

The Chiefs OL is almost identical to the Saints in pass protection, even though the Chiefs had several injuries throughout the year. The adjusted sack rates were only different by .2%, which might as well be equal.

Also, Matt Moore was sacked 7 total times against the Packers and Vikings. The Chiefs only averaged slightly over a sack per game on the year (25 total), so those games skewed it a bit. Moore took longer to make decisions and doesn’t have as quick of a release as Mahomes. Moore also isn’t as comfortable with the offense, which probably led to at least a couple sacks.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...k-49ers-chiefs

The tally: Chiefs have the advantage
Of 75 experts who weighed in, the Chiefs were favored by 48 of them (64%), while the 49ers claimed 27 votes (36%).

The most common predicted final score was 31-27, picked by eight of our experts. The lowest combined total was 37, chosen via a 20-17 final score. The highest combined score was 54-51 for a total of 105 points.

The Vegas line currently favors Kansas City by 1 point. ESPN's Football Power Index also likes the Chiefs (64.8%) by an average of 5 points.

I’m really not buying the whole “49ers have the better roster, but Chiefs have the better QB” narrative. I think the rosters are a whole hell of a lot closer than most realize.

Yeah. “You’re going to get smoked” is pretty far from having a good conversation.

Everyone's talking about the 49'ers front four.

We know what they are. They're damned good.

Nobody's talking about KC's front four. Just a week and a half ago, they shut down the unstoppable Derrick Henry. Frank Clark is in full-on rabid dog mode. Pennel, Nnadi, Saunders are a damned stout bunch of hungry pigs. Old man Suggs clearly has some left in the tank. Kpassgnon is has developed into a solid DE too. And that's all not even counting Chris Jones, who's the most talented DT not named Aaron Donald.

I think when this game is over, The Chiefs defense, and that front line will be a major storyline.

Easily the most disrespected position group of the SB. Absolutely nobody is talking about them.

You realize you just spout all the same bullshit rationale that every other team's fans have every week since about week ten right?

And every week, The Chiefs win, usually it's not particularly close (even when we spotted Houston 24 points, we still beat them by 20.)

And you guys all disappear.

Which makes even talking to you pointless.

You're like the new guys walking point in Vietnam. Why even talk to you? You won't be here in a week.

I think it's a load of bullshit myself. Total and complete horseshit.

And that's going to show up Sunday.

People are talking about them but it’s with a negative tone. Dilfer is an example of that. I hope they prove the doubters wrong!

Dilfer must've spent the last half of the season jerking off to Lamar Jackson highlights because he was NOT watching KC play.

Patrick Mahomes has not lost by more than 7 points EVER.

This team has not been blown out for over 2 years.

The Chiefs are not going to get smoked. Silly.

This team hasn't been blown out since that debacle primetime game against the Steelers early in the season in 2016.

It's like everyone has already forgotten that we have one of the best TE's in the league, a great WR corp, a good offensive line, and a defense that has been playing as well as any defense in the league since week 10. Oh and we have the best QB in the league.

The rosters are a lot closer than a lot of people would like to admit.

I think they think it's all smoke and mirrors and luck.

I think Tennessee might've thought that.

I KNOW Houston thought that for a quarter. They were talking mad shit and laughing. I will always remember Watson specifically running his mouth.

He didn't have much to say by the fourth quarter though. He wasn't laughing anymore.

And as we saw in the playoff game Brees can't throw the ball more than a few yards downfield.

Mahomes >>>Brees at this point as most casual fans still think it's 2009 and Brees is in his prime. He's not.

It’s hilarious that 49er fan thinks we aren’t talented on offense. Go ahead and think that an old declining game manager Brees is better than Mahomes or that their weapons are better.

Your team will find out fast that we have so many weapons that they can’t handle.

This isn’t old ass declining Ted Ginn and none of these guys is a possession receiver like Michael Thomas. This is pure speed baby.

Tyreek
Kelce
Hardman
Watkins
Robinson

There is not a single set of receivers with the volume that we have. And don’t forget Damien Williams who has 8, yes EIGHT TD’s in 4 playoff games.

Go ahead and write him off and watch as he gets even more scores on your defense.

The Chiefs are only Mahomes!!!

Just forget that we have:

Two of the fastest WRs in the league.
Some would argue...the best TE in the league.
Easily a top 3 OT in the league.
Currently the leader in post season sacks for this year.
Arguably the 2nd best DT in the league.
An All Pro at safety.
One of the best young kickers in the game.
Arguably the most prolific play caller in the league.
And a defensive coordinator that’s shut down Tom Brady and a 18-0 Pats team in the SB.

Yep....just Mahomes.

I would say Kelce and D-Rob are possession receivers.

The biggest one is the defense. It seems that people remember only KC being in the bottom 3 of stopping the run for the first 10 weeks.

I wanted to see the stats for myself, so I looked at total rush yards given up per game for both SF & KC from week 11 on including playoffs. KC had 8 games, SF had 9 games from that point forward.

KC gave up a total of 749 yards in those 8 games for an average of 94 yards a game. They had 3 games giving up over 100 yards.

SF gave up a total of 937 rushing yards in those 9 games for an average of 104 yards per game. They had 5 games giving up more than 100 yards; and 3 games giving up 135+ yards.

Hell, I’m not sure they were even blown out with Smith since the 2016 Pittsburgh game on SNF? It’s been a lonnnnnng time.

I see it's time to post this again.

***

49er troll: Haha. You guys lost to the Colts.

CPer: Half the team was injured including the QB

49er troll: Injuries don't matter, you still lost to a bad team

CPer: Whatever, you guys lost to the Falcons. At home. While fighting for the #1 seed.

49er troll: *sputter*

49er troll: We had starters out of defense. Plus the Falcons ended the season 6-2.

CPer: Well, the Colts were on a 5-2 stretch when they beat us before Brissett got injured.

49er troll: ...



49er troll: Haha. You guys lost to the Colts.


*rinse and repeat*

49er troll sounds just like Titan troll.

Titan troll sounded just like Patriots troll.

Amazing isn't it?

i dont know if anyone has brought this up but if you follow the niners FB thats where then play is going at least 90% of the time on run plays

Here's a question.

So we've seen all the stats on the impact Dee Ford has had on the 49ers DL, right? Obviously their pass rush gets measurably better when he's on the field.

But he's largely a 3rd down player that comes in on clear passing downs. Isn't EVERYONE'S pass rush measurably better on clear passing downs?

Is this a situation where Ford actually directly impacts his teammates or is it one where he comes in during situations that directly impact his teammates? Does he make them better, or does he come in when they're already set up to succeed? Is he a spurious variable here?

You see this a lot in hockey where certain players are on the ice for offensive zone face-offs so they have really good possession numbers and things of that nature. Meanwhile other guys are defensive specialists and they come in to face the other team's top line and/or they're put in for defensive zone face-offs and other situations where their odds of putting up conventional numbers are pretty remote. Their +/- figures will naturally take a hit there but in the end they are still doing their jobs pretty well - they're just put in tougher situations.

Is Ford simply being put in the game when his teammates were ALREADY likely to succeed? I'm sure there's a way to get those splits put together (mostly just compare 'passing down' productivity with/without Ford on the field), but I wouldn't know how to go about it.

It's ultimately relevant in that it could go a long way to determining the Chiefs success on 1st and 2nd downs, or 3rd and short situations where you're not looking at an obvious passing situation. Even if Ford is on the field for those snaps - will it actually matter? Is his impact because of him or situation? And if it's situation dependent, the Chiefs and their efficiency on 1st and 2nd downs could completely eliminate his impact and end up making the 49ers pass rush productivity more in line with their 'without Ford' figures, which are largely pedestrian.

Ford is what many of us said he is; a situational pass rusher.

Many of us thought he was going to be WAY too expensive for a part-time player, which is why we were cool with the tag-and-trade option rather than re-signing him.

You can run right the **** at him and completely neutralize him. He's terrible against the run. Not like mediocre; like you can literally block him with a WR.

Awful.

As a pass rusher, he's got ONE elite trait: his first step. He beats you off the ball, or he gets stuffed. He either beats you immediately, or disappears.

I don't give a shit about Dee Ford. I doubt he will be much of a factor. He's not near the complete player that Bosa is.

Re: DJ

I think you’re talking about the same sort of thing I was thinking of last week. They use him as a pure pass rusher who gets to pin his ears back. Against teams that are so run heavy like Min and GB, that’s probably perfect. Get them behind the chains, then you unleash their fierce front 4.

If the Chiefs are executing like they can though, there may not be all that many 3rd & long situations.

I mean, first snap of the game, odds are you’re seeing a SF front comprised of Bosa, Buckner, Day, and Armstead. Do I want to run into that? No, probably not. All good, KC loves to throw it anyway and that particular set of rushers there does not scare me against the Chiefs pass pro.

I expect we'll screen and jet-sweep that front four to death.

Yep. Goal is to get them tired for the 2nd half.

I’d love to see that early on. Get those bigs to start thinking a whole bunch instead of just playing. Reid has been a master at this for so long.

First 3rd & 2 of the game. Ford on the field. I’m running an RPO right at his ass to hold the backside LB. Put it all on Ford and the frontside LB to make the stop. If the backside LB attacks, throw the RPO.

(This assuming we get some form of zone coverage.)

To me it will all depend on Nick Bosa. He’s been the key to that pass rush bc he forces teams to choose between doubling him or Armstead/Buckner.

It depends on which side he’s on, but I feel 100% comfortable with Schwartz facing him 1v1 at all times. Bosa isn’t going to beat Schwartz with pure talent. It ain’t happening.

I also feel comfortable leaving Wiz 1v1. Everybody keeps talking about Ford being the key to unlock the 49er pass rusher, but for us that guy is Wiz. Ever since he took over at LG the OL has taken it to a higher level.

Wiz being 1v1 allows Reiter and LDT to shut down the other IOL and whoever is going against Fish can get chipped to death.

I want to see these guys angry. I want to see Kelce or Bell hitting the **** out of Bosa just because. I want Bosa taking a hit or being pancaked every single passing play.

Ford is a luxury item for them. Bosa is the key.

Mostly I'm just asking if we should throw the "here's how much better the 49ers DL is with Ford on the field..." stuff out the window and instead replace it with "Here's how much better the 49ers DL is when they get to simply pin their ears back and attack the quarterback..."

Knowing full well that EVERYONE'S DL gets better when they just get to pin their ears back.

So...uh...don't let 'em do that. Continue to be the most efficient team in football on 1st downs and keep that defensive line from being able to get going.

I'd expect so. Saleh's no dummy. He's got to know he can't match up in man.

Yeah 100%. This would be a perfect game to execute in the way that they did against Chicago. Not that their game was perfect there, but they just did a really good job staying ahead of the chains.