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Sassy Squatch 04-03-2023 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chitownchiefsfan (Post 16887442)
I wonder how much Vince and the selling of the company had to do with this. I can 100% see vince not wanting Cody to be the face of the company during the sale

I don't think so. Just don't think they ever intended for him to be THE guy.

Mecca 04-03-2023 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 16887455)
Zero impact. The deal was already done.

WWE just has a high level of hatred for its fan base.

They've literally never cared what the fans want.

Sassy Squatch 04-03-2023 10:31 AM

And outside of it being a pretty lackluster ending to the story they've been telling, not sure what all the fuss is about. Cody is much better as a heel. He's pretentious and over the top even as a face, and as we've already seen in AEW, the crowd WILL turn on this character. Hell, they're really lucky they had KO and the Usos to put Sami with or there would've been a revolt already.

Mecca 04-03-2023 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16887464)
And outside of it being a pretty lackluster ending to the story they've been telling, not sure what all the fuss is about. Cody is much better as a heel. He's pretentious and over the top even as a face, and as we've already seen in AEW, the crowd WILL turn on this character. Hell, they're really lucky they had KO and the Usos to put Sami with or there would've been a revolt already.

Why is the AEW product so much better than WWEs?

Sassy Squatch 04-03-2023 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16887467)
Why is the AEW product so much better than WWEs?

Huh? Currently it isn't. AEW is pretty ****ing lame right now in my opinion.

Mecca 04-03-2023 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16887469)
Huh? Currently it isn't. AEW is pretty ****ing lame right now in my opinion.

At the very least the matches are still top notch, WWE just bores the **** out of me.

Sassy Squatch 04-03-2023 10:37 AM

It's MJF doing the same program, ad nauseum, with whatever midcarder is hot at the time while all the main event talent is tied up doing stupid 'trios' matches. The most entertaining shit happens behind the curtain.

Sassy Squatch 04-03-2023 10:39 AM

Really? There were a good handful of matches this weekend that blow anything AEW has put on recently out of the water, with the exception being Vikingo going full reerun.

BryanBusby 04-03-2023 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16887476)
Really? There were a good handful of matches this weekend that blow anything AEW has put on recently out of the water, with the exception being Vikingo going full reerun.

ehhhhh you might be stretching it here

Kenny Omega has had some ****ing bangers in the last few weeks alone. There are a lot of issues with AEW currently, but match quality isn't something I'd harp on.

Sassy Squatch 04-03-2023 10:45 AM

Tonight's RAW will open with an announcement from Triple H. May be about the sale/merger or something else.

Sassy Squatch 04-03-2023 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 16887483)
ehhhhh you might be stretching it here

Kenny Omega has had some ****ing bangers in the last few weeks alone. There are a lot of issues with AEW currently, but match quality isn't something I'd harp on.

It's all the goofy trios matches. Way overdone at this point and hopefully they kill it soon. And sure, Cobb vs Omega was good, but they probably need to start showcasing him with talent that's going to be there weekly instead of once a year like they have the past couple weeks.

Sassy Squatch 04-03-2023 10:52 AM

Seriously, you've got Omega, Young Bucks, Ambrose, Danielson, Black, and Jericho all tied up in this stupid ass division currently. Khan got a wild hair up his ass about legitimizing those titles and he's letting all the other titles suffer stagnation for it.

BryanBusby 04-03-2023 10:53 AM

I don't see a problem with the trios match as long as they aren't tying teams to the titles for a long period of time. I feel the people that complain about it will also complain that WWE doesn't give a shit about the tag titles.

The bigger issues with AEW is a way too bloated roster, minimal character development and too many cooks in the kitchen funking things up (Young Bucks, Jericho) by leaking shit to dirt sheets. I think they were counting on RoH getting a TV contract to deal with the bloat, but it seems the Briscoes thing made that hard.

Sassy Squatch 04-03-2023 10:59 AM

The problem is the titles shouldn't even exist in the first place. You've already got too many belts that are essentially worthless props, you didn't need to add yet another. At the very least WWE is TRYING to make their belts mean something nowadays by having the champions hold onto them for longer than a few months at a time.

BryanBusby 04-03-2023 11:02 AM

It's a vehicle to get guys on TV more because they have a bloated ass roster.

The matches themselves are fine, but they fact they have to rely on lots of teams and stables to get everyone on TV is the issue.

Sassy Squatch 04-03-2023 11:10 AM

You can have a bunch of worthless stables and not introduce another set of prip belts that no one cares about that takes a majority of your main event talent out of the single and tag team title hunts.

Sassy Squatch 04-03-2023 11:13 AM

I mean, ffs, they current tag team champs are the ****ing Gunn brothers. I'm sure they're nice kids and maybe in another couple years they'll be decent, but they're still green as **** in the ring and show next to no charisma outside of being affiliated with the Acclaimed and Danhausen successfully making Ass Boys a meme.

The Franchise 04-03-2023 11:19 AM

I've watched AEW shows sometimes when I notice they're on and I've got nothing else to do. None of their wrestlers really jump out to me as interesting.

Impact is at least hilarious to watch because the acting is horrible. They've got some guys who are interesting though like Mike Bailey.

Sassy Squatch 04-03-2023 11:27 AM

Peak AEW is the top wrestling content available. It's what makes this current stagnation so ****ing frustrating. In already completely apathetic towards WWE. I know what I'm getting and if they pleasantly surprised me so be it.

Gary Cooper 04-03-2023 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16887427)
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The man literally looks like a cartoon villain now.

Is Clark Gable the head of the WWE now?

Sassy Squatch 04-03-2023 11:34 AM

Unfortunately, the creative freedom that makes AEW so good at its peak is also what leads it to the current state of affairs. You're not going to give a bunch of ego driven wrestlers effectively carte blanche to do what they want without heads butting and Khan is just incapable of being the necessary evil to shut that down. So what should've been a tense exchange of words in the office has evolved into giant brawls backstage and legal action.

Gary Cooper 04-03-2023 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16887556)
Unfortunately, the creative freedom that makes AEW so good at its peak is also what leads it to the current state of affairs. You're not going to give a bunch of ego driven wrestlers effectively carte blanche to do what they want without heads butting and Khan is just incapable of being the necessary evil to shut that down. So what should've been a tense exchange of words in the office has evolved into giant brawls backstage and legal action.

AEW is a bunch of vanilla midgets with little charisma.

Their roster is too big. Every segment has like 10 wrestlers just so they can get everyone on TV.

I can't imagine being a kid nowadays and watching AEW and getting hooked on pro wrestling. I got hooked as a kid seeing personalities and costumes like Macho Man, Hogan, Undertaker, Warrior, Sting. Now it's some 5'10 guys you could find at your local gym.

Sassy Squatch 04-03-2023 12:10 PM

Main event for tonight is

Spoiler!

The Franchise 04-03-2023 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16887611)
Main event for tonight is

Spoiler!

Spoiler!

Sassy Squatch 04-03-2023 12:27 PM

Spoiler!

The Franchise 04-03-2023 12:33 PM

I've also seen some mentions about it being...

Spoiler!


But that would be pretty underwhelming.

Sassy Squatch 04-03-2023 12:39 PM

Potentially

Spoiler!

Sassy Squatch 04-03-2023 12:48 PM

Another interesting wrinkle could be

Spoiler!

Sassy Squatch 04-03-2023 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16887640)
I've also seen some mentions about it being...

Spoiler!


But that would be pretty underwhelming.

Welp. Just read something that makes it sound like it's almost certainly him.

BryanBusby 04-03-2023 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16887536)
I've watched AEW shows sometimes when I notice they're on and I've got nothing else to do. None of their wrestlers really jump out to me as interesting.

Impact is at least hilarious to watch because the acting is horrible. They've got some guys who are interesting though like Mike Bailey.

AEW has so many performers they really have zero time to build stories up much and Tony Khan is too busy bumping rails and RL fantasy booking Indy dream matches.

BryanBusby 04-03-2023 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16887427)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">Ohh… <a href="https://t.co/y2vpfr59AX">pic.twitter.com/y2vpfr59AX</a></p>&mdash; Andrew Zarian (@AndrewZarian) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewZarian/status/1642878761384259584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The man literally looks like a cartoon villain now.

You know. I think if I were trying to convince people that I'm not a serial rapist, I would not go for this look.

The Franchise 04-03-2023 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16887680)
Welp. Just read something that makes it sound like it's almost certainly him.

After last night's letdown....this doesn't surprise me.

Spoiler!

Mecca 04-03-2023 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 16887690)
AEW has so many performers they really have zero time to build stories up much and Tony Khan is too busy bumping rails and RL fantasy booking Indy dream matches.

Tony Khan has to many things on his plate...

There is also a bit of inmates running the asylum at AEW.

Sassy Squatch 04-03-2023 06:35 PM

LMAO Alrighty then. Well, legit didn't expect Lesnar to be the partner but that oughta be fun.

Sassy Squatch 04-03-2023 07:21 PM

For an after WM RAW this has been boring as **** so far.

Sassy Squatch 04-03-2023 09:12 PM

Oof. That was an absolutely wretched show. Don't know if Vince is back in control since apparently the show was rewritten a bunch even on the air but regardless that was enough for me to tune back out of WWE for a long time. Bad AEW is quality trainwreck entertainment. Bad WWE makes me want to commit toaster bath.

The Franchise 04-03-2023 10:29 PM

My expectations were low…but holy shit. I would have rather seen Matt Riddle return.

BryanBusby 04-03-2023 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16888499)
Oof. That was an absolutely wretched show. Don't know if Vince is back in control since apparently the show was rewritten a bunch even on the air but regardless that was enough for me to tune back out of WWE for a long time. Bad AEW is quality trainwreck entertainment. Bad WWE makes me want to commit toaster bath.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’m sitting right behind production and they’ve legit received THREE run sheets in the last 45 minutes. 2 since the show has started 🥴🤯 <a href="https://t.co/qvYLbLzIU5">https://t.co/qvYLbLzIU5</a> <a href="https://t.co/ssyNM07vLG">pic.twitter.com/ssyNM07vLG</a></p>&mdash; That’s Freakin’ Wrestling Podcast (@ThatsFNW) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThatsFNW/status/1643050689743196160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 4, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Franchise 04-03-2023 10:40 PM

That shit has Vince all over it. ****ing pathetic. WWE is going to suck until he dies.

The Franchise 04-03-2023 10:45 PM

Like ****…Rhodes and Lesnar would have at least been interesting but that shit? Seriously?

smithandrew051 04-03-2023 10:52 PM

All the speculation online is that they’re going to make Cody go through Brock and maybe Solo, then challenge and beat Roman at WM 40.

That would be fine, but Roman has already been champ for like 3 years. They’re basically broadcasting to everyone that Roman will be champ for another year. There’s no reason to watch any of his matches until Mania next year. You already know the result.

Making Cody wait a bit would make more sense if Roman had been champ for like a year or so. There would still be some doubt about when Roman would drop the belt.

Mecca 04-03-2023 11:18 PM

They're literally holding out that The Rock will agree to face Roman.

Sassy Squatch 04-04-2023 03:41 AM

Yep. Vince was pretty much running the show last night, been confirmed. What a ****ing shame. Triple H had some flaws but at least the shows made sense on a week to week basis and were cohesive.

Chitownchiefsfan 04-04-2023 08:13 AM

Vince is back for one show and its one of the worst raws in months.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 04-04-2023 08:16 AM

I pray Vince isn’t in charge of Smackdown

Sassy Squatch 04-04-2023 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 16888846)
I pray Vince isn’t in charge of Smackdown

He is. It's back to the old dark days. Oh well.

From everything I've read morale is down ****ing bad now there.

smithandrew051 04-04-2023 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16888643)
They're literally holding out that The Rock will agree to face Roman.

As much as I loved the Rock, it would be a terrible idea for him to beat Roman.

It would be nothing more than a nostalgia pop and bury the entire roster.

Sassy Squatch 04-04-2023 08:33 AM

Biggest winner here outside of the obvious ones is Tony Khan, especially if Endeavor treats the talent payscale of WWE like they did UFC post acquisition. That locker room is going to simmer down real quick now that Papa Haitch is gone and Vince is back in charge.

The Franchise 04-04-2023 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16888859)
He is. It's back to the old dark days. Oh well.

From everything I've read morale is down ****ing bad now there.

Glad to know that I can give up my thought of getting back into wrestling. I fast forwarded through most of that show last night. None of it made any sense. None.

Chitownchiefsfan 04-04-2023 09:24 AM

I actually sat down and watch all of wrestlemania. The first time ive done that in at least 10 years. And that was because of the long term storylines they had going. Specifically Sami zayn and the bloodlines.

Vince just can't handle something succeeding that doesn't have his fingerprints all over it.

Sassy Squatch 04-05-2023 08:58 AM

Yeesh. Eddie and Vickie Guerreros youngest daughter came out and accused Vickie's new husband of sexually assaulting her and Vickie subsequently choosing her husband over her and effectively going no contact. This is Vickie's response.

https://i.redd.it/bhczz9fxa4sa1.jpg

FTR, Chavo jadls came out in support of the daughter so there probably is some validity to it.

Chitownchiefsfan 04-05-2023 11:42 AM

Yeesh. Out of all the ways to respond to allegations...... That Is certainly one.

Sassy Squatch 04-05-2023 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chitownchiefsfan (Post 16890921)
Yeesh. Out of all the ways to respond to allegations...... That Is certainly one.

She's since doubled and tripled down with a bunch of stuff they'd bought for her.

Mecca 04-05-2023 01:05 PM

Weird situation top to bottom, if the daughter really has mental issues you get told a lot of things from therapists etc.

Sassy Squatch 04-05-2023 01:18 PM

I mean, even if she does have mental issues, they're almost assuredly from her famous dad dying when she was 10 and having a 'hostile' relationship with her mother since she was 12.

Chitownchiefsfan 04-05-2023 04:10 PM

As a parent of 2 kids i can't ever imagine thinking it's a good idea to publicly post about a time my kid got drunk and believes they were raped. No matter what my kids say or do towards me.

Mecca 04-05-2023 07:02 PM

For all the people that thought Jay White was going to the WWE...Jay White is All Elite

Sassy Squatch 04-05-2023 07:16 PM

LMAO The timing can't be a coincidence

ToxSocks 06-29-2023 01:17 PM

Awesome video. Especially if you were an "Attitude Era" kid.

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Mecca 06-29-2023 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16999683)
Awesome video. Especially if you were an "Attitude Era" kid.

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Pretty sad the WWE still can't remotely come close to what they were 25 years ago.

smithandrew051 06-30-2023 01:23 PM

RIP Droz.

Not sure if you guys have seen the Dark Side of the Ring episode on the Brawl for All, but this guy seemed like one of the nicest people you’ll ever meet.

Most would hold a grudge against DLO, but not him.

Mecca 06-30-2023 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17001441)
RIP Droz.

Not sure if you guys have seen the Dark Side of the Ring episode on the Brawl for All, but this guy seemed like one of the nicest people you’ll ever meet.

Most would hold a grudge against DLO, but not him.

But he played for the Broncos.

otherstar 07-03-2023 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17001441)
RIP Droz.

Not sure if you guys have seen the Dark Side of the Ring episode on the Brawl for All, but this guy seemed like one of the nicest people you’ll ever meet.

Most would hold a grudge against DLO, but not him.

I didn't see the Dark Side of the Ring episode, but there was a brief segment about him in the Beyond the Mat documentary when he was hired by WWE as Puke (and at the end of the DVD it was mentioned that he was later paralyzed after an in-ring accident).

Simply Red 07-23-2023 08:22 AM

Hopefully some of you have yet to see this? So damn good!


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Simply Red 07-23-2023 08:24 AM

AEW is quite a show and MNR sucks now for the WWE, I still favor WWE by a small margin but AEW is really strong with their performances.

GloucesterChief 07-23-2023 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 17027550)
AEW is quite a show and MNR sucks now for the WWE, I still favor WWE by a small margin but AEW is really strong with their performances.

Gunther is better than 99% of AEWs roster including its champion.

Mosbonian 07-23-2023 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 17027849)
Gunther is better than 99% of AEWs roster including its champion.

Yeah...but then when you look at WWE thinking it's entertaining watching Dominic Mysterio, you have to wonder what they are thinking.

BryanBusby 07-23-2023 05:45 PM

Gunther is the best talent in WWE but he's not as good overall as MJF.

MJF is the best in the business.

Sassy Squatch 07-23-2023 06:08 PM

Yeah, there's going to be some really interesting bidding wars soon. I actually think MJF walks and depending on how frosty the dynamic is between Punk and the Elite they just might go too.

TLO 07-23-2023 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian (Post 17027925)
Yeah...but then when you look at WWE thinking it's entertaining watching Dominic Mysterio, you have to wonder what they are thinking.

Dom is playing his role as a chicken shit heel really well, actually.

Sassy Squatch 07-23-2023 06:19 PM

Yeah, not sure what the problem is with Dom. He's excellent at what he does.

Mecca 07-23-2023 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch (Post 17028066)
Yeah, there's going to be some really interesting bidding wars soon. I actually think MJF walks and depending on how frosty the dynamic is between Punk and the Elite they just might go too.

I'd be stunned if the elite left, WWE would ruin them.

Sassy Squatch 07-23-2023 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17028078)
I'd be stunned if the elite left, WWE would ruin them.

Not necessarily. I think they'd actually be a lot better with some filtering. See Cody Rhodes.

Mecca 07-23-2023 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch (Post 17028082)
Not necessarily. I think they'd actually be a lot better with some filtering. See Cody Rhodes.

Well Rhodes was trained in the WWE system, WWE doesn't care about work rate, moves, or tag team wrestling.

Sassy Squatch 07-23-2023 06:29 PM

Quite frankly WWE has been much better with their respective tag team division than AEW. Granted, a lot of it is the byproduct of forcing a trios division into existence that really doesn't need to be a thing.

BryanBusby 07-23-2023 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch (Post 17028066)
Yeah, there's going to be some really interesting bidding wars soon. I actually think MJF walks and depending on how frosty the dynamic is between Punk and the Elite they just might go too.

I don't think so. If anything, I expect the opposite.

Endeavor is going to cut back on talent costs drastically and Tony Khan is going to have a field day.

Sassy Squatch 07-23-2023 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 17028125)
I don't think so. If anything, I expect the opposite.

Endeavor is going to cut back on talent costs drastically and Tony Khan is going to have a field day.

For the most part I agree, but MJF is a special exception and they may very well open the drawstrings to pry away the talent AEW is named after.

BryanBusby 07-23-2023 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch (Post 17028146)
For the most part I agree, but MJF is a special exception and they may very well open the drawstrings to pry away the talent AEW is named after.

Perhaps. Not sure how much it will matter in the end.

I think his days in wrestling are numbered.

Sassy Squatch 07-23-2023 07:43 PM

Wait, whose days are numbered?

The Bad Guy 07-23-2023 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17028086)
Well Rhodes was trained in the WWE system, WWE doesn't care about work rate, moves, or tag team wrestling.

100% agree. Bucks and Omega would be fish out of water with WWE. Rhodes works because of his story with his father and he's really built his American Nightmare character.

Bucks and Omega main skill is their in ring work. They don't have the charisma Cody does.


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