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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 18043391)

It really is not, man. Not for an NFL offensive lineman, defensive lineman, lifebacker, or any NFL player, really. It might be a lot for really skinny WRs or CBs, but even then probably not.

I mean, I can squat 225 one-legged, and I'm a 42-year-old, non-professional athlete who is 6-1/225 pounds. I did six reps on each leg at the gym yesterday (it's hard because my 11" dong gets in the way, but for real, I can do this and it is not a great sign for an NFL dude).

The separation between Burden and Simmons for me is definitely not about year 1 contribution (though WR4 in the Chiefs' offense would get a lot of snaps, especially if Rice gets suspended/isn't ready at the start of the year, Brown gets hurt again, Worthy gets hurt).

It's about the risks involved. Burden has great physical traits and needs to be coached to be a little more efficient and refined in his routes, and give better effort. He is otherwise a clean bill of health.

Give me that over a dude with a knee that's a major, major risk and question mark, any day of the week.
Ok
If LT is the second-most important position in the NFL, most would argue that WR is the next-most-important on offense. It's certainly the next-most expensive to fill off of rookie contracts. Probably behind pass rusher in importance, but not by much.

Wow Duncan,

I'm impressed you're straight up about having a mere 11 inch dong. Dont let anyone make you feel inadequate here. I mean, you stil!.have a tongue, right? Keep.practicing on those inflatable.dolls!!!!

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18043407)

True.

Based on available data, they aren't THAT good.

Would you say they're better than 3627:1?

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 18043406)

In fairness the odds are much smaller than that. He's being generous.

You have no idea. That study is not giving you the probability that someone comes back from injury.

It's taking an extremely small number of cases for offensive linemen with PT injuries and giving you the data around it.

It's not remotely of statistical significance and controls for nothing.

Hence, 11% is a made-up number. What we can say is that historically this injury has been particularly hard on OL and it's been very rare to return to the prior standard of play.

Didn't the article say he was "cleared" to squat 225 lbs, not that his current max is 225 lbs. His good leg is probably stronger than three cp'er combined.

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 18043358)

And you don't collide all day with men as big or bigger than you at NFL speeds.

Do we know that for sure?

If Brett, Rick annd the 2 Andy’s anre on board and are correct by Simmons returning (mostly) to form, this was one of the best picks in Chiefs franchise history and will completely unlock the offense.

If Simmons was fully healthy, we would have needed to trade our whole draft to go get him. So, if he returns to form Rick deserves a huge raise due to the draft and cap value he added with his work with Josh.

I don’t see the other picks available having nearly that kind of impact.

I’m a gambler, so I love the pick.

Now, let’s go make some moves to get some impact players at DL, CB and RB so we can get back to the dance and add more jewelry/trophies.

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 18043418)

Do we know that for sure?

I wouldn't bet our 1st round pick on it, if that's what you're asking.

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Originally Posted by kcfan75 (Post 18043416)

Didn't the article say he was "cleared" to squat 225 lbs, not that his current max is 225 lbs. His good leg is probably stronger than three cp'er combined.

The tweet I saw referenced that he was "Already squatting 225 pounds"

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18043405)

And yet we managed with Donovan Smith and have no reason at all to believe we can't get at least that from Moore.

For $15 million/season, I sure as shit hope that's the expectation.

That should never preclude us from trying to add a guy with LEGIT Silverback upside AT THE SECOND MOST IMPORTANT POSITION IN THE SPORT. And a position that has derailed every game we’ve lost the last few years.

Simmons works out, MVPat is back with massive passing seasons and an electric offense that is BETTER than the Tyreek/Sammy/Kelce window.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 18043408)

I’d be curious to see the 22/23/24 splits in regards to the LT spot.

Apparently the 24 Lt spot was so much worse than the other 2 years it debilitated our qbs ability

‘23 offense was down because of Tackle play a lot more than people ever gave credit for. Everyone made it about WRs — but it wasn’t just that.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyV13 (Post 18043410)

Call me B Rabbit.

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This guy ain't no mother****ing MC, I know everything he's got to say against me.

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18043427)

‘23 offense was down because of Tackle play a lot more than people ever gave credit for. Everyone made it about WRs — but it wasn’t just that.

You can't fix the tackle position if you can't play.

We aren't arguing there isn't a problem - we're arguing this is an even riskier solution than picking Kingsly because our pick may be out of the NFL in 3 years.

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 18043421)

The tweet I saw referenced that he was "Already squatting 225 pounds"

Ok, you posted this earlier today so I was confused:

"Like I said earlier, if all he has been cleared to do, really, is squat up to 225 pounds, you're not measuring yet if the leg has returned to the full strength and form that it had before the injury. You can't be.
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He repped 225 thirty-four times in the bench, I have a good feeling he'll get his leg strength back soon.

I find it interesting that nobody in sports media is making the arguments a good portion of CP is. The pick is being overwhelmingly approved of by sports media.

Granted I generally despise most sports media so I’m at a crossroads here.

He could do a handstand and play left tackle, and play better then our tackles did in the SB.