Jesus ****.

Getting clowned by one of the worst offenses in the modern era.

21 points in 5 minutes to the worst offense in football..

People love spags on CP for some reason.

It's more resignation that Andy is going to stick with his guys and hoping Spags can simply give us an "average" defense that does what it needs to do in big spots.

He has not failed us in the playoffs yet. Until he does let's stop being so dramatic.

Young and promising secondary or something

where’s that reerun staylor to sunshine pump

I'm starting to miss Bob Sutton. SMH

At this point, it's pretty obvious that this one who sucks the penis needs to go.

I can’t fathom his reasoning for not using Sneed or McDuffie on Jeudy for the whole game. ****ing Watson and Williams. I don’t understand why he doesn’t lock down the best we.

2nd and 34 and you give up a td

Woof

No killer instinct
No leadership
Coaches with no answers

Let’s all take a second longer to fawn over our young secondary. Lololol. ****ing chumps

Im sorry, but WTF...really?

There is no more defending this ass clown.

He is dog shit.

Watch the Cincy defense presnap on our last play where OBJ gave up the insta-pressure.

They're jumping around, showing possible cover-0, you can tell everyone knows exactly where they need to be. And this is at the end when everyone is tired.

Meanwhile watch our D at the line in this game. Totally lifeless. Usually not threatening any kind of look. Ugh.

This defense is pure shit. I'm done defending

We don't have DBs follow receivers. It's getting kinda easy for teams to hunt matchups against Joshua Williams.

So many people were satisfied with our WRs a week ago. I'll say it again. we need a WR1.

Did you watch the bills game?

Defense underperforms yet again....28 points allowed to the worst offense the NFL has seen in 20 years--- previous high for donkeys was 23.

Chiefs won't make a change at the end of the year....but they should. Too much talent on the defense to not be better than this.

This defense is 2018 bad much of the time.

This is the Steve Spagnuolo thread, sir

This defense is not good fellas. Not a good sign for the playoffs that they are regressing

Not good is too positive this defense is garbage

May need inclement weather this postseason...

Spags D is just pathetic....
Sutton Bad....

So youre going to point out one bad game where we won. But ignore that our only playoff exits with spags were offensive failures. Or ignore that our super bowl was a huge credit to tremendous defense play.

Spags has been plenty frustrating. But to date he has been plenty good enough and often outstanding in the playoffs. But yeah, let's dwell on one game.

So, how many times does Spags need to see Joshua Williams get completely burnt by the best receiver on the other team before he stops allowing him to be exploited like that?

That was yet another disgrace. If this continues we are going to lose in the Wild Card.

I don't know, but it's starting to give me Bartee flashbacks.

Jaylen Watson was covering Jeudy on that last TD

So spags gets a free pass because the defense played decent in the Super Bowl three years ago?

You’re wasting your time with him. He stayed with Sutton till the end also.

i'm not going to be too hard on spags, his defense turned a potential loss into a win

the offense shit the bed after going up 20-0

Is this real life? Our defense was outstanding during the entire super bowl run.

They were good enough when we lost to Tampa.

They played more than well enough to win in Cincy.

In three years he has not costed us any playoff games. So yeah until he does he deserves the benefit of the doubt that he can fix it in time for the playoffs.

You're the one dwelling on one bad game... Which we won. I already pointed out that our defense has been more than fine in the majority of our playoff games

Spags is played out.
It's time for something new and fresh

Spags has 4 rooks rotating in the secondary and a pass rush that goes invisible for long stretches. He doesn't get as many passes at Pat and the playcallng does who continues to put the defense in precarious positions.


This game was 100x more frustrating than the Bengals game. This game feels like a freaking loss smfh

Reid just praised the defense. WTF? Is he really so FN blind to anything other than the offense?

He has praised Toub and Spags over and over when ST and the defense play like shit.

I don't expect him to publicly admonish them, but he doesn't have to praise their poor play. He could say something like each unit ha things they need to improve on.

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One bad game? Is this real life?

New players, new position coaches, more money invested. Same DC, same scheme, same shitty result.

This is nothing different than 2021 or 2020. Spags needed to go after 2020 but he was, and still is riding the wave of 2019.

Playoffs.

Pay ****ing attention.

Playoffs.

In three playoff runs what playoff games did spags lose. You screamed about one game where we won and brush over the majority where our defense was plenty good

The defense scored 7 while holding Denver to 320 yards off of 3 turnovers.

Yes, I know Denver's offense is an abortion, that still not a horrifying outing.


They will need to get better for the playoffs, though. This isn't good enough. They need to win when Mahomes has one of those off halfs.

I like Spags. Bill Cower made a good point after the game. He said the Chiefs young D-backs are good man-to-man, but they get lost playing zone. They're learning, but it's going to take some time.

You stated that my criticism of Spags was based off one game. Surely you’d agree that this defense hasn’t only had one bad game the past few years?

That's a HUGE part of it. Communication has to and likely will get better. Nobody covering a guy in the end zone can't happen and was likely a direct result of the youth in the back.

I'll ball wash a little. Denver only averaged 4.6 yards per play. That's below their season average and less than the lowest average in the league. Chiefs got 8 stops including two TO and a TD. The two TD given up before half were a combined 102 yards, so short fields.

Thought it was a great point and we should probably just let these guys play man mostly for now.

:spock:

this was just a sloppy game on both sides of the ball, useless to blame coaches today

I have said repeatedly that in 3 years spags has not costed us a season. For all the ups and downs they have yet to let us down in a playoff loss. We followed up a embarrassing stretch in 2019 with a dominant playoff run on defense. We had a solid showing in 2020. We had an embarrassing game on defense vs Cincy followed by a playoff game where our defense actually played burrow reasonably well.

We've had plenty of bad stretches on defense but have generally been good when we get to the playoffs. I'm plenty uncomfortable with our defense right now but yeah, until he actually costs us a playoff game he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Our offense, not our defense, by a mile are the biggest reasons for our recent playoff exits

How many games have been sloppy all year? I swear every singles week we’re hearing about how KC shot themselves in the foot with self inflicted wounds and stupid mistakes. Kind of seems like that’s who this team is. They aren’t disciplined and make dumb errors all the time. Yes they’re still 10-3, but come playoff time all it takes is one or two mistakes at the wrong time to end your season. KC at their best can beat anyone, but rarely do we we ever see them at their best.

Um, and I want to say right off the bat that I was pretty annoyed with the defense today, enough that a couple drives I just walked outside when we were on defense in the second half. But the numbers say the defense played pretty well. I mean, DEN punted 7 times.

Anyway, here's the boxscore, see for yourself:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401437899

The defense did not have a good game at all but I wonder how it would have looked had there not been 3 INTs giving the Broncos shorter fields.

They were fine.. Offense had 3 turnovers for christ sake.

DEN only had three drives that went for 60 yards or more. Per drive, it looks like their average yards gained was about 20. Give or take a couple yards. probably subtract two TDs if we don't gift them short fields.

If that’s the case the narrative on how the defense played today might need adjusting some.

That was clear last week. You could see Spags trying to adjust to the Bengals last week by going from man to zone and the defense actually looked worse. Boyd just kept finding the holes in the zone and picking us apart 10 yards at a time. It's a real concern. Really need the pass rush to step up because if the DBs are getting beat in man the backup plan isn't great.

You can check for yourself. I posted the ESPN boxscore link a few posts above. You can click on the play-byplay button and count the drives, total yards, etc. The Team stats button shows that the defense went 6-17 against DN on 3rd down. Statistically, the defense did their job.

Oh I don’t doubt you.

It was an invitation, bud. I freely admit i was pissed about the defense while i was watching the game. It wasn't until I read a post in a different thread that i even thought about checking the boxscore and the team stats. I'll have to go back and find that post so I can give that guy credit. It was Denverchief. he posted a stat-line about how nearly 400 yds of offense was generated by 3 guys that weren't regular starters. And i just thought, what did the defense do statistically?

anyway, please check it out. I know stats don't tell the whole story, but still. The defense didn't have the horrific day it felt like superficially. They actually were pretty good, outside of a few weird bounces and missed assignments. Takeaway just a couple plays, and the defense held them to just 59 yards rushing and under 200 passing if not for that one long pass.

They've been sloppy for a good part of the season. If not the coaches, who do you blame for that?

That’s not bad. I guess looking at it from a 50,000 ft view makes it look better than what it seemed watching it.

9/13 possessions were no points
4.6 yards per play
2 INT’s
1 defensive TD
7 passes defended
6 sacks
11 QB hits

If I were to tell you before any game that our defense did this would you say they gave up 28 points or that they would have any chance of losing?

Just wild to me

I mean, outside of the young d-backs having a few mix-ups, we looked fine. I'm not sure I understand the hate.

It didn't look good. I wasn't very impressed during the 2nd half. i have to admit that.

But take away one or two of the INTs and the wildly lucky bounces, and probably DEN doesn't score more than 17 points. They were just insanely efficient on four drives. Out of 13. That's outlier stuff.

They also called a perfect screen when we decided to bring the house. That's great guessing, but it's not necessarily repeatable.

If you beat a crippled child in a 100 meter dash, but you only beat him by 10 meters, it's not very impressive, because he only got out of his wheel chair a minute before the start of the race.

Letting an historically bad offense score 28 points, when they barely average half that, stopping them from scoring a few times isn't very impressive.

In fact, it is kinda troubling, because if an inept offense can score 28, what would this defense give up to the Eagles or a healthy 49er team?

If anyone deems this defensive performance as good, they are just wrong, and that includes Andy Reid. His assessment that the defense played well is absolutely laughable. He has shut his eyes to how poorly Special Teams and Defense has been this year.

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It seems like the entire fanbase considers this defense better than last season's, at least until recently. But is it?

Last year's D was terrible to start the year, but made a dramatic turnaround. We all know the personnel and strategy changes that led to it. From week 8 forward, they allowed 16 ppg. I think it may have been the best scoring defense in the NFL during that time, or close.

On this day last year, KC's D notched its third straight game of allowing exactly 9 points. Vs Dallas, Denver and the Raiders. The Cowboys were #1 in total offense and the Raiders were high on the list too. Talking heads were calling KC's defense a dominant unit, and the narrative became that it was carrying the offense.

Obviously they struggled in the 4th quarter in the divisional vs the Bills, but the Bills were coming off a no punt game against a pretty good NE defense and were rolling.

On paper, KC got faster and more athletic this year. Ditched the liabilities like Sorenson, Niemann, Hughes and Hitchens. But it's really hard for me to say they've been better collectively. At least not yet.

I think last year's defense was underappreciated, and this year's is overappreciated.

It seems like the entire fanbase considers this defense better than last season's, at least until recently. But is it?

Last year's D was terrible to start the year, but made a dramatic turnaround. We all know the personnel and strategy changes that led to it. From week 8 forward, they allowed 16 ppg. I think it may have been the best scoring defense in the NFL during that time, or close.

On this day last year, KC's D notched its third straight game of allowing exactly 9 points. Vs Dallas, Denver and the Raiders. The Cowboys were #1 in total offense and the Raiders were high on the list too. Talking heads were calling KC's defense a dominant unit, and the narrative became that it was carrying the offense.

Obviously they struggled in the 4th quarter in the divisional vs the Bills, but the Bills were coming off a no punt game against a pretty good NE defense and were rolling.

On paper, KC got faster and more athletic this year. Ditched the liabilities like Sorenson, Niemann, Hughes and Hitchens. But it's really hard for me to say they've been better collectively. At least not yet.

I think last year's defense was underappreciated, and this year's is overappreciated.

Yeah, we've been a little too harsh on the defense this time.

From that last time we scored in the 2nd quarter, the defense played about 35 snaps until we finally began our last scoring drive late in the third. that's half of the total snaps they played for the entire game. They got gassed. Those two INTs back-to-back burned them up fast.

Basically, half their snaps in a little over a quarter.

It certainly is starting to look that way. We will have to see how the rest of the season plays out.

Bolton and Gay have certainly gotten better but the secondary seems to have lost confidence after that Bengals game - not a good sign with playoffs around the corner.

What is good is I'm only basing that secondary statement on one game and there's still a little bit of time to try and get better before playoffs start. What's bad is that one-game i'm basing it on was against one of the worst offenses statistically that NFL has seen in a while, at least it was before the Chiefs game.

Pass rush is still bad. It doesn't seem much better than last years. I do like Dunlap though but no one other Chris Jones at times seems to be a consistent threat to get pressure.

Well if you told me before the game that they'd give up 4 TDs to Denver's shit QBs I'd be pissed then too. Holding teams out of the endzone and forcing 3 is a HUGE problem this year

All well & good moaning about firing him. Who would come in and replace him is the question..

And what do people think you're supposed to do when your front four can't generate consistent pressure?

Guys, when you can't get home with 4, you have to blitz.

When you've got a secondary full of rookies, there are going to be mistakes made.

There are also big plays on our part; 6 sacks, 2 INT's, one a pick 6.

All of this fire Spags stuff...like...what do you think someone else is going to do? We can't pressure with 4. So we blitz. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. We try everything. Zone blitzes, man coverage, zone coverage, mixing zone and man looks, you name it, I've seen Spags do it this season.

Sure would be nice to have a pair of consistent pass rushers at DE to go with Jones, but we just don't have it. That's going to be tough on a young secondary.

The personnel decision making he makes. Some of these coverages he's deploying. The lack of fundamentals week in week out.

There's a lot left to be desired in Year 4 of Steve Spagnuolo.

I'd like to see some more of big #66 in there.

Last paragraph is the major issue. The best thing for marked improvement is a viable pass rush from the down 4. Do that and every level of the defense will improve, especially the young secondary.

I'd like to add that our Safety play is not very good, especially Justin Reed. He misses far too many tackles. Thornhill isn't much better. Just watch him on that play yesterday where Denver scored a TD on that screen pass. Terrible effort by Thornhill. The Safeties are bad. It's a major issue.