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Kiimo 04-25-2025 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Nirvana58 (Post 18043375)
Will just throw this out there.

Roaf was ****ing amazing for us and dude could barely walk.

Rub some dirt on that knee and get out there and protect the GOAT.




Look, these arguments are dumb. Comparing injuries is dumb. Saying things in this thread like "well it worked out for Trey Smith" when he had blood clots is dumb.

Roaf "can hardly walk" okay? What's the point of saying that? Did he have a torn patellar? Because if not, it's completely useless and a waste of time to post it.



I don't like risk. If he rolls the dice and beats the 11% odds or whatever it's an unreal and complete FIX to our left tackle issue. But even if it works out it doesn't make the bet smart.



That said, I'm not really sure how ELSE we fix the position. You don't get this talent in free agency and you don't get it drafting at 32. It's a gamble that could fix the team for a decade. OR we just turned our first into a 5th.

11%?



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MahomesMagic 04-25-2025 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 18043387)
Isn’t this somewhat similar to Nolan Smith falling to the end of the first? Blue chip talent falling down the draft board because of injury? Maybe teams think Simmons will miss some time this year and didn’t draft him in large part for that reason.



Jeffery Simmons is another example.

Fell due to two reasons. Recent injury and character.


I said before that draft Jeffery Simmons was a top 5 player, way better than Ed Oliver who went tenth to the Bills.


Titans scooped him up and he's been one of the best DT's in football every year.

duncan_idaho 04-25-2025 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 18043341)
One note on squatting 225 pounds. That's a lot of weight, even if it is only half of what he would be at full strength. Like that might be my max if I am at full strength and working out regularly. It doesn't seem impossible to me that they could evaluate how the tendon is doing under load with that weight on it.

It really is not, man. Not for an NFL offensive lineman, defensive lineman, lifebacker, or any NFL player, really. It might be a lot for really skinny WRs or CBs, but even then probably not.

I mean, I can squat 225 one-legged, and I'm a 42-year-old, non-professional athlete who is 6-1/225 pounds. I did six reps on each leg at the gym yesterday (it's hard because my 11" dong gets in the way, but for real, I can do this and it is not a great sign for an NFL dude).

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18043339)
While we’re bitching about the possibility of Simmons merely being a depth piece at the second most important position on the roster his rookie year, what exactly did all the Luther Burden stans think his rookie year in KC would look like?

Cause I’ll spoil that one. Not a whole lot of action. Was never unseating the top three WRs as a rookie.

Great teams without holes don’t usually end up drafting day one starters.

The separation between Burden and Simmons for me is definitely not about year 1 contribution (though WR4 in the Chiefs' offense would get a lot of snaps, especially if Rice gets suspended/isn't ready at the start of the year, Brown gets hurt again, Worthy gets hurt).

It's about the risks involved. Burden has great physical traits and needs to be coached to be a little more efficient and refined in his routes, and give better effort. He is otherwise a clean bill of health.

Give me that over a dude with a knee that's a major, major risk and question mark, any day of the week.

If LT is the second-most important position in the NFL, most would argue that WR is the next-most-important on offense. It's certainly the next-most expensive to fill off of rookie contracts. Probably behind pass rusher in importance, but not by much.

DJ's left nut 04-25-2025 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 18043387)
Isn’t this somewhat similar to Nolan Smith falling to the end of the first? Blue chip talent falling down the draft board because of injury? Maybe teams think Simmons will miss some time this year and didn’t draft him in large part for that reason.

Nolan Smith fell due to scheme fit issues. Happens a lot to guys who don't appear to fit in both an odd and even front.

Wouldn't happen with an offensive tackle.

O.city 04-25-2025 12:17 PM

The top 3 WRs also has a guy that will be hurt at some point so there’s some layering needed there

DJ's left nut 04-25-2025 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 18043397)
The top 3 WRs also has a guy that will be hurt at some point so there’s some layering needed there

And another with a knee injury of his own AND a suspension looming.

pugsnotdrugs19 04-25-2025 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 18043397)
The top 3 WRs also has a guy that will be hurt at some point so there’s some layering needed there

I can win a Super Bowl with Rice, Worthy, and whoever else at WR3.

I can’t do that with Wanya Morris at LT.

BigRedChief 04-25-2025 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 18043355)
"First round picks have to start year one!" has always been a crock of shit to me. But that's just me.

Bigger crock of shit is....... "We have to play "X" player because we drafted him in the first couple of rounds". But, he sucks. We need to play him to get our money out of him. :banghead:

Rausch 04-25-2025 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 18043383)
Blocking scheme is irrelevant.

No, it's not. It's a huge part of the problems we're having now with Taylor. That gap between him and Smith makes Smith's job even more difficult.

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 18043383)
He is Pro Ready now.

He isn't even training camp ready now.

RunKC 04-25-2025 12:20 PM

Still cracks me up that people really blame Nagy or even Andy’s playcalling or Mahomes himself for this.

It’s personnel. It’s always been the personnel. It was total shit.

Simmons being good fixes most of this shit. Praying to God we add a WR and RB today.

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TwistedChief 04-25-2025 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimo (Post 18043388)


In fairness, you just made up these 11% odds.

DJ's left nut 04-25-2025 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18043400)
I can win a Super Bowl with Rice, Worthy, and whoever else at WR3.

I can’t do that with Wanya Morris at LT.

And yet we managed with Donovan Smith and have no reason at all to believe we can't get at least that from Moore.

For $15 million/season, I sure as shit hope that's the expectation.

Rausch 04-25-2025 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 18043404)
In fairness, you just made up these 11% odds.

In fairness the odds are much smaller than that. He's being generous.

DJ's left nut 04-25-2025 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 18043404)
In fairness, you just made up these 11% odds.

True.

Based on available data, they aren't THAT good.

O.city 04-25-2025 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18043405)
And yet we managed with Donovan Smith and have no reason at all to believe we can't get at least that from Moore.

For $15 million/season, I sure as shit hope that's the expectation.

I’d be curious to see the 22/23/24 splits in regards to the LT spot.

Apparently the 24 Lt spot was so much worse than the other 2 years it debilitated our qbs ability


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