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saphojunkie 08-22-2013 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9906176)
Jarvis jones has a condition called spinal stenosis that will most likely cause him to retire early.

A player like that is a good fit for a team like Pittsburgh that needs an every down rushbacker, but for us...it would be a wasted pick because by the time Hali is ready to hang em up, Jarvis Jones very well be at that point, too.

Exactly. Almost every player you'd consider at 1.1 had a reason to not draft him. At the end of the day, we had typical Chiefs luck. First overall pick in a shitty ****ing draft sandwiched between once-in-a-decade talents at QB and pass rusher.

****ers.

Sorter 08-22-2013 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9906181)
They were uncharacteristic of blitzes we are accustommed to from Fangio and SF. I didn't mean exotic or uncharacteristic in general.

I highly doubt that given Fangio's philosophies and from what I've seen previously but I'm not going to pretend I've broken down any 49er's film recently.

saphojunkie 08-22-2013 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9906191)
I highly doubt that given Fangio's philosophies and from what I've seen previously but I'm not going to pretend I've broken down any 49er's film recently.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

I could have sworn every poster on here did nothing but spend all day breaking down film on all 32 teams' offensive concepts, defensive concepts, play-by-play effectiveness on an individual basis, and backup player potential.

Sandy Vagina 08-22-2013 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9906191)
I highly doubt that given Fangio's philosophies and from what I've seen previously but I'm not going to pretend I've broken down any 49er's film recently.

Can't force you to believe it, but Fangio didn't blitz much. We would send 4 and an occasional 5th from the front 7, but it was rare that we sent DBs. Now what Fangio did prior to SF, I can not say.

BossChief 08-22-2013 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9906175)
None of the concepts used were particularly "exotic" or uncharacteristic. Personnel variations or specialized "rush" fronts weren't even used.

Not sure if you know this or not, but unless there is bad blood between the two coaches that are facing each other, head coaches commonly call each other before their teams meet in preseason to discuss what they want to come out of the game having gained and usually extend a courtesy to each other by throwing things at each other that each coach wants to see.

Todd Haley brought this up in an interview a few years back.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Andy asked Jim to throw a few blitzes in his book to see how the tackles and quarterback are (at this point) at identifying the blitzers (this is probably a concern of his after switching away from zone blocking) and picking them up.

I bet Andy wanted to see exactly what we saw so that he could use the tape as a teaching tool.

Maybe I'm wrong here, but I don't think I am.

Sorter 08-22-2013 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9906209)
Not sure if you know this or not, but unless there is bad blood between the two coaches that are facing each other, head coaches commonly call each other before their teams meet in preseason to discuss what they want to come out of the game having gained and usually extend a courtesy to each other by throwing things at each other that each coach wants to see.

Todd Haley brought this up in an interview a few years back.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Andy asked Jim to throw a few blitzes in his book to see how the tackles and quarterback are (at this point) at identifying the blitzers (this is probably a concern of his after switching away from zone blocking) and picking them up.

I bet Andy wanted to see exactly what we saw so that he could use the tape as a teaching tool.

Maybe I'm wrong here, but I don't think I am.

I am indeed aware of this.

Sorter 08-22-2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9906199)
:clap::clap::clap::clap:

I could have sworn every poster on here did nothing but spend all day breaking down film on all 32 teams' offensive concepts, defensive concepts, play-by-play effectiveness on an individual basis, and backup player potential.

I'd do it for several truckloads of cash and a lifetime supply of Hendricks.

I'd probably need to get an Adderall prescription as well after a while. Perhaps Von could hook me up?

BossChief 08-22-2013 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9906189)
Exactly. Almost every player you'd consider at 1.1 had a reason to not draft him. At the end of the day, we had typical Chiefs luck. First overall pick in a shitty ****ing draft sandwiched between once-in-a-decade talents at QB and pass rusher.

****ers.

That's why trading down with Miami would have been a smart choice. Staying put at 1 and using the pick to create a log jam at offensive tackle was a complete waste.

Also, I don't buy for a second that there weren't any players worthy of the pick.

Talon Austin would have added a serious playmaker to this offense.

That's something this team is/was lacking BIG TIME.

BossChief 08-22-2013 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9906216)
I am indeed aware of this.

I figured you would.

O.city 08-22-2013 12:40 PM

I'm not huge on tavon Austin, but I would have liked to have taken one of the better outside wrs in the second

saphojunkie 08-22-2013 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9906226)
That's why trading down with Miami would have been a smart choice. Staying put at 1 and using the pick to create a log jam at offensive tackle was a complete waste.

Also, I don't buy for a second that there weren't any players worthy of the pick.

Talon Austin would have added a serious playmaker to this offense.

That's something this team is/was lacking BIG TIME.

If Miami was willing to trade up and we didn't, then that was a huge ****ing mistake.

Tayvon Austin might end up being a legit playmaker, but you can't say the guy was any less of a risk. He's tiny. TINY. I think he's going to be a badass, but it goes back to my theory that every single person at the top had a knock on them.

Which is why people are pissed. We wanted to see the Chiefs draft for highest ceiling, not highest floor.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9906260)
I'm not huge on tavon Austin, but I would have liked to have taken one of the better outside wrs in the second

We could have taken Tayvon #1 and Geno in the second. Dang.

Mav 08-22-2013 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9906176)
Jarvis jones has a condition called spinal stenosis that will most likely cause him to retire early.

A player like that is a good fit for a team like Pittsburgh that needs an every down rushbacker, but for us...it would be a wasted pick because by the time Hali is ready to hang em up, Jarvis Jones very well be at that point, too.

From what I read, that was severely misdiagnosed. Agreed that it would flash on the medical reports. But I still maintain that the guy is going to be a hell of a pass rusher even if it is for a few years.

And I agree, he wasn't a fit for the Chiefs. Hes just my pick to be the standout of this draft.

Mav 08-22-2013 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9906203)
Can't force you to believe it, but Fangio didn't blitz much. We would send 4 and an occasional 5th from the front 7, but it was rare that we sent DBs. Now what Fangio did prior to SF, I can not say.

He blitzed plenty last year.

What he didn't do often was send the corner, or the safeties. So that is correct. But to say he didn't blitz, he regularly sent the three down, both aldon and ahmad, and either bowman or Patrick.

Yes, we didn't blitz the safeties at all that I can recall.

Mav 08-22-2013 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9906226)
That's why trading down with Miami would have been a smart choice. Staying put at 1 and using the pick to create a log jam at offensive tackle was a complete waste.

Also, I don't buy for a second that there weren't any players worthy of the pick.

Talon Austin would have added a serious playmaker to this offense.

That's something this team is/was lacking BIG TIME.

Without having inside knowledge, I can guarantee that Andy Reids love fest with McCluster factored into that decision not to draft him.

Sandy Vagina 08-22-2013 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9906280)
He blitzed plenty last year.

What he didn't do often was send the corner, or the safeties. So that is correct. But to say he didn't blitz, he regularly sent the three down, both aldon and ahmad, and either bowman or Patrick.

Yes, we didn't blitz the safeties at all that I can recall.

I didn't say he didn't blitz. I said he didn't blitz much. My main exhausting point was exactly the bolded.

... and no, he didn't send our ILB(s) all that often.


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