Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17590873)

Why would you be shocked? The Bills were pretty clearly operating that drive like they intended it to be the last of the game once Diggs dropped the deep ball on the first play. 16 plays and almost half a quarter worth of game time. Given the state of their defense and their almost complete inability to stop anything the Chiefs offense tried, that was the correct move.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17590860)

I’m also shocked Chiefs fans are arguing that going for the TD in that situation wasn’t the right move. Like we didn’t just watch Alex Smith pass up on these types of plays for six years.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17590822)

My mind is blown that you’d consider that play risky. If that’s what you consider risky, I don’t know how you stomach the 600+ passes Reid will call every year. You could have a bad snap, fumbled snap, etc.

I remember that play you linked, but I didn’t see what happened downfield. Romo seemed certain it had a good chance of being INT and so did Mahomes. That’s enough for me.

I don’t see those plays as similar at all, though. That missed TD in the Bills game wasn’t risky at all. The coverage was beaten. The WR was NFL open.

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni (Post 17590622)

I love to trash Burrow too...Problem?

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17590907)

Why does it have to be a rigid mindset? There's absolutely times when being conservative is the correct move.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17591004)

Honestly, I don’t understand some of these “You have to be nice to Allen and Burrow because they’re also good QBs!” Chiefs fans. I never have.

“Are you insecure???” No. My QB is #1 and my team is #1. It’s called punching down and it’s quite fun. Ya’ll should try it some time

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17590674)

You need to watch this video for those three plays. That one you linked is leaving out a ton. The first down play Diggs settles to a spot but Allen kept leading him. If Diggs kept going where the ball is thrown he gets blown up. On second down Diggs doesn’t even come close to touching the ball because it was a terrible and forced throw. Again this video confirms it. McDuffie gets one hand on it preventing an easy INT for Snead.

Starts at 1:40

https://youtu.be/I6UzerC7LC8?si=i_pCP-zgAqvv699e

On the later second down play Diggs may or may not get a first but he’s wide open for good yardage. The fact Allen didn’t throw it there but instead forced it to the end zone, while earlier forcing it to Diggs, proves he’s not out there thinking or reading on this last drive at all. Nearly every pass was just a force to someone without finding the best place to go.

Regarding the Mahomes play in the Super Bowl not even remotely comparable in situation or even in execution. Mahomes threw as safe a pass as you can. There’s no way you actually believe those are similar situations or that QB handled them similarly at all. The one I specifically referenced where Mahomes pulls it back for the easy smart yards is almost an exact mirror situation of Allen passing on Diggs for the force to the end zone.

Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 17591285)

The Browns and Lions sympathizers need new digs. For different reasons

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17591273)

I’m not arguing that being conservative is sometimes the best move. I’m arguing that even while being conservative, there are times to be aggressive. You simply cannot pass up what looks like a good opportunity to deliver a potential kill shot TD in favor of a 4 yard check down. Literally no QB in the league would advocate that, not Brady, Mahomes or Montana. No coach would argue against it either, not Reid or Belichick.

Consider an alternate scenario: Allen checks down on this play to Diggs. Diggs gains 5 yards before Tranquil brings him down. On 3rd and 4, they fail to convert. What was a 42-yard field goal is now 37. Dude still shanks it.

Do you really think the same mfs in here arguing that he was being risky wouldn’t now be arguing that he was a pussy who lacks killer instinct for foregoing the chance to take the lead?

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17591501)

Again if Allen is determined to make that throw he has to actually make it. It was out of timeout so they obviously specifically wanted this play. He knew where he was going with it. But he rushed his throw instead of stepping ever so slightly to the obvious pressure that was coming. He made it way more difficult than it should have been with terrible pocket awareness. Again, the entire drive he was making mistakes and definitely not dialed in. This was just the last big one.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 17591618)

At no point during the Ravens game was I worried we might lose. We clearly were in their heads. The last few Bills games have gone back and forth and back and forth right up 'till the end.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 17591618)

Despite the shit I'll give Allen lovers he's the one QB that consistently ups his game in the playoffs to match Mahomes. The Bills are able to consistently sustain long drives and score pts vs. what was most likely the best D in the NFL last year. Allen seems to have a very Elway-like career path with the misfortune of having his Joe Montana in the same conference.
Allen, in the playoffs, rises to the occasion. It's no insult that he can't get it done vs. the greatest QB to ever play.
And frankly it just gives us better games and brighter moments. At no point during the Ravens game was I worried we might lose. We clearly were in their heads. The last few Bills games have gone back and forth and back and forth right up 'till the end.

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17591330)

I honestly have no idea what you're seeing in regards to Tranquill being anywhere close to a position to make a play on Diggs. He would've been 5+ yards away from Diggs at the point of the throw and if he hits Diggs in stride Tranquill isn't catching him before it's a first down.

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17591501)

It’s silly to just hand wave away a worst case scenario 3rd and 4 vs 3rd and 9. That’s a huge difference in what you call and even maybe even going for it on fourth. You pretty much have to pass on 3rd and 9. 3rd and 4 is far easier, especially for such a good running QB. It’s very possibly a first down but more likely worst case 3rd and 2. From there you simply do the one thing that is basically impossible to stop which is Allen running for three yards.

Again if Allen is determined to make that throw he has to actually make it. It was out of timeout so they obviously specifically wanted this play. He knew where he was going with it. But he rushed his throw instead of stepping ever so slightly to the obvious pressure that was coming. He made it way more difficult than it should have been with terrible pocket awareness. Again, the entire drive he was making mistakes and definitely not dialed in. This was just the last big one.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17591722)

Tranquil is a plus athlete. Looks to me like Drue is maintaining depth, keeping eyes on the QB until the ball is thrown. An athlete like Tranquil can eat up 5 yards very quickly once he notices the QB start his throwing motion.

You can see that Diggs would immediately be hemmed in by Bolton out there defending Kincaid on the out route as well. I mean, I don’t believe Diggs is going to cover the 6 yards necessary after making that catch with Bolton and Tranquil lurking there. It’s definitely possible but I think it’s unlikely.

Especially for Diggs. Diggs had 8 targets for 3 catches this game. He was basically worthless. He’s basically always worthless for them in the postseason. For a guy his size, he’s never truly been a plus athlete anyway. He ran a 4.47 like 10 years ago. He’s probably more of a 4.5 guy now and at 190 or whatever he’s likely playing at, the dude is far from a burner. He’s not really dangerous after the catch.

If anything, with the full power of retrospect, Kincaid looks to be the optimal target there. He’s wide open by NFL standards and he certainly would have had enough yardage to gain the 1st down.



Your mindset is a little confusing. You’re talking about how it was too risky for Allen to try to throw a wide open TD pass in the same breath that you’re arguing they should have considered going for it if they found themselves in a 4th and short situation? You’d advocate going for a 4th and 2ish in field goal range, down 3 with less than 2 minutes remaining but don’t advocate trying to throw the go-ahead TD in the same situation? That logic doesn't make sense to me.

I’ll agree that his biggest mistake was not taking a step to the right before unloading. He had a ton of real estate to do so.. but at this point I just cannot agree that it wasn’t the right choice in that moment. I’ve seen and heard nothing that would change my mind and firmly believe that if we had Mahomes, Kelce and Reid on this forum right now, they would all agree with me.

For the record, I don’t think him missing this throw is any indication that he wasn’t “dialed in” or broader proof of processing issues or whatever. Our defense was potentially the best in the league last year. It was extremely good. The other 11 guys get paid too and sometimes they’ll win. That’s what I chalk this one up to. Just Chris Jones dropping trou and making the impact play he’s been known for in huge moments like this for nearly half a decade now.

Also, also, you are being unnecessarily critical of Allen on a couple missed throws/reads. No one will say anything because we ended up winning in the end, but Mahomes missed throws and reads this game too. Hell, he overthrew two of the easiest TDs he’d ever have on back-to-back plays on our second drive. I’m not going to go back and rewatch the game to prove that point, but I’m sure he missed some other plays as well.

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17592100)

Allen doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt like Mahomes as he hasn’t earned it so that’s a pointless comparison. And it wasn’t just one play that he lost focus and composure. It was basically that whole drive he was all over the place, forcing throws, and twice making really dumb plays that were inches away from being turnovers.

And regarding the 2nd and 9, I didn’t say it was a risky play. I said it he made it a risky play with poor pocket awareness and choosing a long throw while potentially getting bumped.

As for the 4th and short comparison, I am pretty confident Allen is converting that at a MUCH higher rate than he is a 30 yard pass. So I don’t see that nearly as much of a challenging play given his skill set.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 17591618)

Despite the shit I'll give Allen lovers he's the one QB that consistently ups his game in the playoffs to match Mahomes. The Bills are able to consistently sustain long drives and score pts vs. what was most likely the best D in the NFL last year. Allen seems to have a very Elway-like career path with the misfortune of having his Joe Montana in the same conference.
Allen, in the playoffs, rises to the occasion. It's no insult that he can't get it done vs. the greatest QB to ever play.
And frankly it just gives us better games and brighter moments. At no point during the Ravens game was I worried we might lose. We clearly were in their heads. The last few Bills games have gone back and forth and back and forth right up 'till the end.

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 17592420)

I felt the same about the Ravens game. Their team thought because we were in their house they could bully us. Our defense was bullying them all game, and their players got mad and wanted to fight instead of focus on the game.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17592464)

That level of arrogance from the team was something else.

You expect it from idiot fans who have watched their team win Super Bowls with Trent Dilfer and Joe Flacco.... but you'd think maybe someone would remind them they aren't playing a ****ing dude named Kerry this time.

The meltdown was epic and for the Chiefs it's such an understated advantage of experience and composure, even as the personnel changes around Mahomes.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17592464)

That level of arrogance from the team was something else.

You expect it from idiot fans who have watched their team win Super Bowls with Trent Dilfer and Joe Flacco.... but you'd think maybe someone would remind them they aren't playing a ****ing dude named Kerry this time.

The meltdown was epic and for the Chiefs it's such an understated advantage of experience and composure, even as the personnel changes around Mahomes.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17592577)

I remember Jackson saying before the game that he doesn’t like competing against Mahomes. Being the leader of that team and saying that is pretty telling.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17592846)

He was clearly joking. He was laughing when he said it.

Originally Posted by neech (Post 17592860)

Watching that over again, Lamar has a chuckle at saying I don't like competing against Mahomes then he gets serious about playing him. To me it's a bad look to send the rest of your team. And I think he was serious. You can chuckle and still speak the truth you know.

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 17592788)

Eh, it was fairly justified. The shitkicked bitches last season. They absolutely stomped a mudhole in SF at the end of the season. I get their arrogance.

But reason 19 trillion, you better bring your shit if you're going to run smack.

Kelce throwing Tuckers shit was an incredible moment. In-****ing-credible.

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 17593010)

Yep. It set the tone.

Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 17593672)

Lamar has lost weight! Josh split his pants in Paris! They're going in different directions but end up the same

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 17595059)

Bruh, Josh absolutely sharted in Paris. You don’t wrap and cover your ass and leave your woman at the restaurant because you SPLIT your pants, but you do if you SHIT your pants.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17602378)

Yea, Coleman has a very fun personality, but at what point is he just reeruned?

Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17602863)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Three INTs in four plays for the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bills?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bills</a> defense off Josh Allen in the team portion of practice</p>&mdash; Carl Jones (@Jones11_) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jones11_/status/1816857907603870014?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17604635)

Sports Illustrated & Pro Football Talk both pushing for Josh Allen to get an updated contract.

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/bu...llen-underpaid

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...act-age-poorly

Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 17604639)

What? Where is the superhero defender of QB salaries Mike Florio? Isn't this in his wheelhouse?

Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 17604663)

Owners Kim and Terry Pegula fracking billionaires. I see comedy all over da place

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 17606452)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">��TRENDING: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bills?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bills</a> WR Mack Hollins NEVER WEARS SHOES, DOES NOT USE UTENSILS, thinks small CATS STEAL YOUR SOUL, has not eaten a vegetable in 3 years, does not cut his hair.<br><br>THIS IS CRAZY ������<br><br>(Via <a href="https://twitter.com/BuffaloPlus?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BuffaloPlus</a>)<br> <a href="https://t.co/rsH3PB25hg">pic.twitter.com/rsH3PB25hg</a></p>&mdash; MLFootball (@_MLFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1817939245635412070?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 17606452)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">��TRENDING: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bills?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bills</a> WR Mack Hollins NEVER WEARS SHOES, DOES NOT USE UTENSILS, thinks small CATS STEAL YOUR SOUL, has not eaten a vegetable in 3 years, does not cut his hair.<br><br>THIS IS CRAZY ������<br><br>(Via <a href="https://twitter.com/BuffaloPlus?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BuffaloPlus</a>)<br> <a href="https://t.co/rsH3PB25hg">pic.twitter.com/rsH3PB25hg</a></p>&mdash; MLFootball (@_MLFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1817939245635412070?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17609518)

LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🚨REPORT: The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bills?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bills</a> might CUT WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling as he has ‘faded into the background.’<br><br>He has already been relegated to the backups during drills, per NBC.<br><br>MVS was cut by the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> this offseason &amp; recently said he helped Patrick Mahomes &amp; Aaron Rodgers win MVPs. <a href="https://t.co/Io11ypakD8">pic.twitter.com/Io11ypakD8</a></p>&mdash; MLFootball (@_MLFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1818696470918578222?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17609518)

LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🚨REPORT: The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bills?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bills</a> might CUT WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling as he has ‘faded into the background.’<br><br>He has already been relegated to the backups during drills, per NBC.<br><br>MVS was cut by the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> this offseason &amp; recently said he helped Patrick Mahomes &amp; Aaron Rodgers win MVPs. <a href="https://t.co/Io11ypakD8">pic.twitter.com/Io11ypakD8</a></p>&mdash; MLFootball (@_MLFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1818696470918578222?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17609518)

LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">[emoji599]REPORT: The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bills?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bills</a> might CUT WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling as he has ‘faded into the background.’<br><br>He has already been relegated to the backups during drills, per NBC.<br><br>MVS was cut by the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> this offseason & recently said he helped Patrick Mahomes & Aaron Rodgers win MVPs. <a href="https://t.co/Io11ypakD8">pic.twitter.com/Io11ypakD8</a></p>— MLFootball (@_MLFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1818696470918578222?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17609518)

LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🚨REPORT: The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bills?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bills</a> might CUT WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling as he has ‘faded into the background.’<br><br>He has already been relegated to the backups during drills, per NBC.<br><br>MVS was cut by the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> this offseason &amp; recently said he helped Patrick Mahomes &amp; Aaron Rodgers win MVPs. <a href="https://t.co/Io11ypakD8">pic.twitter.com/Io11ypakD8</a></p>&mdash; MLFootball (@_MLFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1818696470918578222?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 17612851)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I was at camp today he dropped 4 passes before this one that he almost dropped. Bills starting receivers are Samuel, Hollins and Shakir. This guy will be lucky to bring in 20 catches this season</p>&mdash; Fire Adams (@Sonkbud) <a href="https://twitter.com/Sonkbud/status/1818012532361281928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17609782)

The Bills offense is going to be hot garbage against anyone that has a tough, physical defensive front.

Remember those close games against the Chargers and Giants late last year?


Run, Run, Run because they want to take the ball out of Josh Allen's hands.


;)

Originally Posted by Chieftain (Post 17612851)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I was at camp today he dropped 4 passes before this one that he almost dropped. Bills starting receivers are Samuel, Hollins and Shakir. This guy will be lucky to bring in 20 catches this season</p>&mdash; Fire Adams (@Sonkbud) <a href="https://twitter.com/Sonkbud/status/1818012532361281928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by ToxSocks (Post 17612975)

Where's the freak part?

1st clip was a nice catch (almost a drop), but fairly routine. The 2nd clip looks to be an incompletion.

/Shrug.

LOL

Originally Posted by ToxSocks (Post 17612975)

Where's the freak part?
LOL

Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17615325)

Good luck Mafia

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Marquez Valdes-Scantling had two drops during QB/WR drills. No defense. This was one of them <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bills?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bills</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BillsMafia?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BillsMafia</a> <a href="https://t.co/DjIsiGpvj6">pic.twitter.com/DjIsiGpvj6</a></p>&mdash; alex brasky (@alexbrasky) <a href="https://twitter.com/alexbrasky/status/1820134001522217233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 17615433)

Josh will get more out of MVS, he's just the better QB -somewhere in northern New York

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17615438)

I pray you’re right. Last thing we need is for BUF to cut MVS, and he somehow ends up back in KC.

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17615454)

Lol. He did make some huge plays in big games to help win 2 rings. On a dirt cheap salary it would not be terrible to bring him back. The $10-12 million salary was a pretty bad deal, but his market has tanked.