You won’t be laughing when the Chiefs get their shit pushed in again by OL again.

I really think the pants shitting regarding the secondary is over the top. If they can generate any type of competent pass rush the secondary will be fine.

Anything over Zombo is pure profit, as is Berry over Sorenson. Still the secondary was so bad this year. The secondary was horrible and lost Peters. Pass rush should get better plus Berry and Fuller. Is that enough to get us, not just better, but to a level that is acceptable? I don't know.

I think we have to use our top draft picks on CB. I know Andy could just be giving coach speak but being ok with those 3 alone is dangerous imo.

At least their will be decelopment happening relying on snaps for young players. It could happen even if they signed Poe. So ya, you’re wrong again

5-11 192 isn't that small for a DB. He plays aggressive, with swag and he runs a sub 4.4 40?

Pshhhh....i'd be shocked if he made it out of the 1st.

Ok, but MFer has a point. You’ve made it clear a few times that you don’t think a rookie DL can do anything this year. Why?

We’re not asking for a Pro Bowler here, or at least you shouldn’t expect that. We need serviceable players right now until better alternatives are available.

When you have to say "hear me out", you know it's a bad idea LMAO

Yay! Young players getting their shit pushed in again like the last 2 seasons.

I’m sick of watching this shit be our downfall every damn season.

We’re likely going to use our 3 day 2 picks on defense, at least 2, and we will likely sign another FA (though I think it may be Logan). The defense is nowhere near finished.

We need to just sit back and watch Veach’s plan unfold.

I agree. But it's not just about whether a wild card team can beat us. There are bigger fish and an elite offense is not enough. You can't just out gun everyone. We've watched that movie before.

Yep. Maybe if Reid would've swallowed his loyalty and pride and fired Sutton I'd be a bit more forgiving, but he didn't and I'm not. Now we're going to be running the same sort ass scheme with the same soft ass players and maybe a rookie or two? **** off.

What are you even talking about right now?

In 2016, it was Poe at NT. Not young.

This year, it was Logan. Not young.

And that's fine. My discussion was purely on whether Nelson, Fuller, and Amerson are good enough since Reid himself talked about it being what they are looking at.

Getting gashed by the run has been their downfall, not scoring 18 and 20 points per game

Poe would've been 25 in 2016. Young. Anywho...not that it matters.

Outside of Jones, what heavy investment has been along the DL? They’re going to go up and get a guy like Vea and Rasheem Green. Or something like that. Young guys need to play to develop. Not sit on the ****ing bench.

Here's the deal, actual run stoppers aren't expensive a guy like Mike Pennel is going to get a chump change contract. Athletic dudes who can rush the passer and play 3 downs get paid more money.

If you you are worried about is stopping the run the Chiefs can literally sign 2 guys for pocket change and improve that. It's probably why Tim Settle is going to fall in the draft, Ted Washingtons and Keith Traylors really aren't the way of the league anymore.

RunKC flip flops emotionally more than anybody on CP.

One day he’s overly positive and the next he’s doom and gloom. I agree that last post makes absolutely no sense.

I watched the chiefs offense not do shit for long stretches in the playoffs then lose by a single score

In his defense being a KC fan will do that to you...

Problem is lots of people think that is his maxed out size, like he can't get any bigger so...

We're going to be turning the ball over more too. Gotta get stops.

Game day Chat should be a roller coaster ride this year.

My prediction is:

Offense playing: :clap::eek::):drool::D:clap::clap:

Defense Playing::#:cuss::cuss::deevee::(:shake::cuss::cuss:

Rinse repeat
:D

This defense is going to take more than one off-season to become really good. They need high pick investments on the DL and at safety

Sure

But they’re gonna score more as well.

It's what they're looking at until they draft a DB or two that they really like, at least.

All they've really done is replace Peters will Fuller, which isn't an upgrade on the field.

They've replaced Mitchel with Amerson...whether or not that's an upgrade is debateable.

And replaced Parker with Sorenson.

Considering they were what, the 29th ranked pass defense last season? There isn't much reason to believe they've gotten any better and you could certainly argue they've gotten worse.

They have a lot of work to do in that position group. They did before trading Peters.

They aren’t going to talk about what they’re going to do with a player that’s not here. Since we’re clearly going to be relying on the draft to build our defense, I wouldn’t put much stock in who they say is starting in March.

Add Berry back in.

Good ****ing god. Let’s put this in elementary terms for you morons, again.

Sorenson, Murray, Zombo, Gaines, Mitchell, old and broken DJ, old and broken Tamba, Nacho, Revis and Nelson. We relied on these players for over half the season. Not one of these players is starting caliber. That’s not counting Parker who ****ing sucked last year.

And yet this defense still was only 15th in the NFL in points allowed, including allowing no more than 21 points at home all year except for a Marriotta fluke TD pass.

How in the **** can ANYBODY think that this isn’t a goddamn miracle coaching job with the pile of filth given to this defensive staff?

Who could they have signed this far that you guys would have loved on defense?

I don't know how anyone can be anything other than excited for this season. They aren't done filling holes on the defense, and the offense is set to go thermonuclear. I don't expect them to be able to fill every hole this year, and there may be some growing pains. But it'll be fun as hell to watch. And I think they are going to surprise the critics. And next year's cap situation is better.

Suh, Richardson, Wilkerson

We probably add 2 DL in the draft and you know there will be another UFDA who makes the team. Then stash another 2-3 on the practice squad.

Adding speed to this defense is going to make a huge difference. We have a lot of talent on d, and you're not going to have the 11 best guys at their position in the league on your defense. Have to have a lot of good role players and spot fill in type guys to win anymore.

Was hoping for that Talib trade.

You could go grab Dominique Easley for like a quarter, talent is there.

Having Hitchens and Ragland on the field together will help vs the run

Bleh.

Maybe Suh, but he's gonna break the bank.

And to this point Richardson and Wilkerson have been a poor man's Albert Haynesworth.

Yea, but that’s hope.

Who knows if that was even possible with it being the Broncos.

They offered Wilkerson and they wanna get younger on d

They aren’t signing a 31 year old dl that is all about the $ even with him being from Nebraska

:)

He’s old and costly

You are literally talking about a CB a safety and a nose...and people are losing their shit when a CB and safety are likely the first 2 picks made in this draft for this team.

Guys like Kony Ealy, Pennell, etc are still out there

Let’s calm our tits down

Stop gap corner who skills haven't shown erosion. He'd solidify that corner position for at least a season or two.

And like I said, guys like Pennell get paid jack shit in free agency because they aren't 3 down players with eye popping attributes or great pass rush ability.

Totally. This off-season is far from over

Haloti Ngata, who I believe was only $3 million on a 1 year contract.

We need big, strong mother****ers in here now while the draft picks can rotate.

To be fair they've been trotting shit out at CB and Nose the past few years and had resources to upgrade both and didn't.

I dunno, he slowed a bit last year

Plus 11 mil per year is meh

And Ford and a year 2 Kpass should help our pass rush

Eric Berry back will help with run and pass defense.

I don’t get the doom and gloom so early in the offseason with the defense. Maybe I’m just spoiled from our last few drafts, but I feel confident that we will get a guy or maybe even two that will have a big impact.

I still think the defense we field start 2018 will be better than the one we ended 2017 with.

And the defense isn't why the Chiefs lost in the playoffs in 2015, 2016 and 2017.

They aren’t signing old guys on defense

Usually when older dude takes a deal like that with the SB Champs is a deal he wouldn't have given to any other team.

It’s the first weekend of FA and people are freaking out. It’s dumb

Nope. I'm ****ing done with the guy. Blowing 1 playoff lead in historic fashion was bad enough, but 2?!? There are clear examples in both the Steelers and Titans game where his horrible scheming directly resulted in us getting ****ed.

What resources would those be?

We didn't have cap space last year to sign anyone but Bennie Logan, who was slightly better in '17 than Poe was in '16.

They invested at corner big time in the 2015 and 2016 draft.

And for the record the Chiefs get gashed in the run game because they ****ing keep lining Daniel Sorenson up as a LB in the nickel, that ****in kills it.

I honestly thought the Donks would cut him.

But my moron ass didn't think Peters would be traded or that we'd get more than a (current year) 4th for Alex Smith...

The two young ilbs should help va the run

No doom and gloom, just football talk. I think we can all agree that this defense was bad last year in a lot of statistical categories.

It's undergoing a youth movement with a lot of unproven players.

There's a lot of holes to be filled here and until they're filled, this year or next, it's still a hole.

Seriously if you lined up in 3 WR's on 1st and 10 and see Daniel Sorenson standing there as a LB, why would you not hand off every single time?

How about this...they could probably right now sign Dominique Easley and Mike Pannell for about 1.5 million combined, would everyone be happy then?

Yeah its Sutton’s fault Alex Smith is a pussy.

FFS the defense gave up 22 points. That’s literally league average ROFL

They will. Its not even a question.

I swear, people completely forget that we started the worst edge player in the league for most of the season and played without our best defensive player for 15 games.

By the end of the draft, the defense will look just fine.

I didn’t mean that towards you, but there are others that are panicking before the draft and just a couple days into free agency.

Anyone want a backup QB...

https://twitter.com/CharlesRobinson?...84%26page%3D58

Any DC that has Justin Houston running downfield with Antonio Brown trying to cover him, or comes up with a defensive front so horrificaly bad that a team can audible into a run and score instantly is out of ****ing control and needs to be shown the door.

Easley is very good if healthy, I'd take that chance. I'd like them to get into the Adrian Claiborne talks too.

I would, lol.

I wonder how cheap his contract demands are these days.

He had a torn core muscle last year and then played as it was still healing.

He should be better this year.

If we signed him....then that eliminates the "we traded Peters for kneeling" talk. But I doubt we sign him.

This is new. I believe it, but I’m curious where you heard it?

I think he'd make a solid backup actually.

Exactly. Alex had like 30 yards in the second half. But the D couldn’t get stops when it counted

And we gave up 18 points. EIGHTEEN MOTHER****ING POINTS. I also didn’t see you bitch about dropping Houston when we killed New England, killed, Philly, killed the Chargers and stopped the Redskins with the same damn plan early in the season.

Why do you think they spent on Anthony Hitchens? Hmmm 3 down LB who can cover and stop the run?

Does your dumbass not realize that solves multiple problems?

Kaepernick has put on some pounds. Lol

Agree to disagree on that. I know this board likes to blame everything on Smith.

Look, if you don't have a problem with Sutton and his soft as shit bend but don't break crap, then good for you. I'm done with that.

You must be joking.

The Chiefs gave up 18 points to the high powered Steelers and lost.

They gave up 22 points to the Titans, at home, and lost.

The defense wasn't the issue.

If you don't score in a whole half and keep going 3 and out what do you think happens?

Nope not joking and don't feel like getting into another Alex Smith debate. What I saw the second half of that Titans game was an embarrassment. I'm not sure if we ever stopped them on a single 3rd down in the second half. Hell I'm not even sure if they had a negative rushing play that half.