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BigRedChief 11-22-2014 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11137203)
That isn't the bottom of his worth. He had a good year.

He had a bad year for him. His upside is so high that the bar is high for him.

I'm all for giving him Hollidays money and sign him for 10 years. He's 25 not 31 unlike most of the ball players that sign these $100+Million contracts. Defense isn't going away. Speed will be there for another 5 years at least. By all accounts a good guy in the locker room, active in charitable deeds in the community. Sounds like a guy we can root for.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-22-2014 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11137229)
He had a bad year for him. His upside is so high that the bar is high for him.

I'm all for giving him Hollidays money and sign him for 10 years. He's 25 not 31 unlike most of the ball players that sign these $100+Million contracts. Defense isn't going away. Speed will be there for another 5 years at least. By all accounts a good guy in the locker room, active in charitable deeds in the community. Sounds like a guy we can root for.

He had the second best year of his career by fWAR by a comfortable margin.

Also, he has five years of service time in. Although 27 was formerly the career year barometer, post PEDs evidence points to new info: 1) 25-6 is more likely to be the career year and 2) if a player breaks into the big leagues at a very early age, like Heyward did, he's generally as skilled as he's ever going to be.

Mike Trout, for example, is not going to go from putting up 10 WAR seasons to 12 to 14 over the next five years. This Trout is as good as any Trout you'll see. Similarly, this is the best Heyward you'll see, and that's fine. At this point in his career, his hit tool is what it is.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-24-2014 01:18 PM

Red Sox going full Yankee again, tossing 40 million per year combined at a fatass 3B and shortstop who plays 95 games a year.

BigRedChief 11-24-2014 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11141411)
Red Sox going full Yankee again, tossing 40 million per year combined at a fatass 3B and shortstop who plays 95 games a year.

mo problem for them. It blows up in their face. It's just money. Plenty more where that came from.

George Liquor 11-24-2014 03:49 PM

Thank god that fat bastard is out of the NL.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-24-2014 03:51 PM

Two NL teams got a bit worse today. That's cool.

BigRedChief 11-24-2014 03:56 PM

Lester supposedly meeting with the Cardinals this week.

OnTheWarpath15 12-11-2014 01:20 PM

Cards sign Mark Reynolds.

George Liquor 12-11-2014 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 11184907)
Cards sign Mark Reynolds.

If anything, it's some pop of the bench.

I wonder if we'll hate him like we hated Chris Duncan?

BigRedChief 12-11-2014 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BDj23 (Post 11184920)
If anything, it's some pop of the bench.

Better than Ellis, Kozma, Robinson and Delcalso off the bench late.

BigRedChief 12-11-2014 03:24 PM

Things I heard watching a little of baseball tonight

Some "expert" I didn't know, an older guy said that Wainwright, Holliday, Molina and Chris Carpenter have all called Scherzer to recruit him to the Cardinals. He does consider the Cardinals at the top of the list and has family pressure to come home. Boras has worked out deals with the Cardinals, thats not an issue.

The LA Dodgers have an $18 BILLION cable TV contract.:eek: $18 BILLION will cover up a lot of mistakes and let you take a boatload of gambles on players.

George Liquor 12-11-2014 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11185269)
Things I heard watching a little of baseball tonight

Some "expert" I didn't know, an older guy said that Wainwright, Holliday, Molina and Chris Carpenter have all called Scherzer to recruit him to the Cardinals. He does consider the Cardinals at the top of the list and has family pressure to come home. Boras has worked out deals with the Cardinals, thats not an issue.

The LA Dodgers have an $18 BILLION cable TV contract.:eek: $18 BILLION will cover up a lot of mistakes and let you take a boatload of gambles on players.

If that were to happen we could start printing 2015 NL champion shirts as soon as the ink drys.

kcxiv 12-11-2014 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11185269)
Things I heard watching a little of baseball tonight

Some "expert" I didn't know, an older guy said that Wainwright, Holliday, Molina and Chris Carpenter have all called Scherzer to recruit him to the Cardinals. He does consider the Cardinals at the top of the list and has family pressure to come home. Boras has worked out deals with the Cardinals, thats not an issue.

The LA Dodgers have an $18 BILLION cable TV contract.:eek: $18 BILLION will cover up a lot of mistakes and let you take a boatload of gambles on players.

Dodgers are geting rid of alot of money, they free'd themselves of 70 million in Kemps contract. Grienke's is up soon. Carls is up in a year or 2. Same goes with Adrian. Either has a few years left as well. The only really long term contract they have left is Kershaw's, and im sure they are ok with that one.

Dodgers shook up that line up they needed too. Team was so bad with RISP, killed us all season long and in the play offs.

BigRedChief 12-11-2014 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 11185391)
Dodgers are geting rid of alot of money, .

Why? When you have $18 billion cable TV $'s to spend?

kcxiv 12-11-2014 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11185415)
Why? When you have $18 billion cable TV $'s to spend?

Still gotta be smart about it. Plus the cap as well no sense in paying all that tax. Just because they have Money don't mean they should spend it stupidly.

Plus they have kids in the minors that need to come up. Someone had to go. They just can't stay in the minors forever.

Mi_chief_fan 12-11-2014 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11185269)
Things I heard watching a little of baseball tonight

Some "expert" I didn't know, an older guy said that Wainwright, Holliday, Molina and Chris Carpenter have all called Scherzer to recruit him to the Cardinals. He does consider the Cardinals at the top of the list and has family pressure to come home. Boras has worked out deals with the Cardinals, thats not an issue.

The LA Dodgers have an $18 BILLION cable TV contract.:eek: $18 BILLION will cover up a lot of mistakes and let you take a boatload of gambles on players.

He turned down $144 million from Detroit. He ain't walking through that door, my friend.

O.city 12-16-2014 07:39 PM

Apparently, John Heyman reported the cards are second behind the Yankees in talks with scherzer.

I'd be shocked

jd1020 12-16-2014 07:51 PM

Cubs ended up signing Jason Motte to a 1/$4.5M deal... not sure how I feel about that. Seems like a lot for a guy that had TJ and back problems and a near 5 ERA last season with the 2nd worst HR/9 ratio in the league.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-16-2014 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 11197153)
Cubs ended up signing Jason Motte to a 1/$4.5M deal... not sure how I feel about that. Seems like a lot for a guy that had TJ and back problems and a near 5 ERA last season with the 2nd worst HR/9 ratio in the league.

When a one pitch pitcher's only pitch turns into straight and 93 he's going to get murdered. Motte should be a non-roster invitee only at this point.

Classic Theo: just throws money at everything.

O.city 12-16-2014 10:10 PM

200 mil for a free agent doesn't seem like something our gm would do.

One can hope tho

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-16-2014 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11197454)
200 mil for a free agent doesn't seem like something our gm would do.

One can hope tho

He's 30 years old and his FB velocity was down to 92.8 last year from 94.2 to 93.3 in 2012 and 2013. His K rate was just as good, though, which indicates that he's becoming a pitcher and not just a thrower.

I could go either way on it.


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