That and the whole "Southwestern Conference blowing up" thing.

Yeah - getting the hell out of the SWC was a pretty good idea for the Hogs.

Hell yes it does, for Missouri. If you are a school in the deep south or Texas, then the SEC may help or at worst be a lateral move. Missouri will take a hit. If you are in Texas and you want to play with or against the 4 Texas Big 12 schools, Missouri is basically option #3, maybe #4 at worst.

In the SEC, Mizzou is so far down the list you won't even be able to see them in the pitch-dark hole, behind just about every other SEC team other than maybe Kentucky and a couple others.

KC Sports Commission took out an full page ad in the Star today to beg Mizzou to stay:

http://findnsave.kansascity.com/Loca...ission/2819870

Wouldn't the florida recruits offset the texas recruits we would lose if we left the big 12?
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how in the holy hell do you expect kids in Texas or the deep south to go to Columbia, other than being a talent that virtually no one else in the SEC wants?

You think you can win in the SEC with just Missouri kids?

Fair enough. However, can you not envision MU fans becoming frustrated after a season or two of finishing in the bottom half of the SEC after that five year run in the Big 12? I understand where you are coming from and you might be right, I'm just telling you what will happen with the masses IMO.

Who in Florida is going to columbia?

Texas kids go to Mizzou because they are one of the best teams in a conference that lets them play lots of games at their home state.

Question for you: Who has a better football program right now, West Virginia or Missouri?

You're making an assumption that we will finish in the bottom half of the SEC when there is no evidence to support that.

The reason it wasn't there is because OU is packaged with OSU.

The same kids that would go to Arkansas. Or hell, Tennessee for that matter.

If Arkansas can recruit from the SEC, so can Mizzou - it's really that simple.

Two questions for you:

Who has a better football program, West Virginia or Missouri?

Is West Virginia located in the Southeast?

They also go to Missouri because our coaches have built relationships with their schools/coaches that go back a decade.

So kids from Texas will sign with Mizzou because they want exposure in their home state, but kids from Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, etc absolutely will not do the same.

Got it.

You are on a roll.

I'm real glad Pinkel hired former LSU recruiting coordinator Josh Henson.

al, you're one of my favorite posters because of our shared passion for the Royals, but you need to cover up here; your KU is showing.

My problem as a KU fan is I think Mizzou sucks forever. How does Mizzou overcome that in the SEC?

Yup - how freakin' great is that guy going to be to have around?

The 2010 class was arguably the best in the program's history and it had his fingerprints all over it.

Like I said - I'm really not worried about recruiting. Come what may, this staff has shown an incredible ability to make it work.

It won't help. Mizzou is doomed. The phenomenal facilities, coupled with the move to a conference that produces more NFL talent than any other, are going to make it difficult to overcome counter-recruiting tactics.

The thing is Gary Pinkel is the big one behind the SEC push. He knows damn well that he can stay in the Big 12 cruise through the new Big 12 North with Louisville and Cincinnati as new rivals along with KU, KSU, and ISU. Play Oklahoma or Texas in the Big 12 championship game about every year and have a pretty good shot at BCS Bowl and 10 wins each year, and still recruit Texas like crazy. And with all of that, he still wants to take the program to the SEC. That should tell you something right there.

Since the formation of the Big 12, Mizzou has played on average 1 game per year in Texas.

If we go to the SEC, Mizzou will play on average 0.5 games per year in Texas (alternate with A&M).



WE ARE DOOMED!!!!!!!!!

Also, from all reports, Pinkel is leading the internal push to go. I don't see him pushing to go to the SEC if he did not think Mizzou could be successful there.

Now this I totally agree with. No way does a Texas kid pass up a chance to play in Provo, Ames, Lawrence, Manhattan, and Morgantown to play Georgia, LSU, Tenn, Bama, Florida, Auburn.

Why would a kid from Texas want to play a game in December in Gainesville where its 65 degrees when he could play in Ames where its 20 below with the wind chill?

Why would fans want to party on Bourbon Street on Friday night before playing at LSU when they could hit up BWW on Mass street before playing beaks?

right now? Probably WVU, but Mizzou could pass them soon. The Big East is dead. If WVU is left out of conference realignment, they are dead in the water.

Jesus.

Stick to basketball, squawk.

In all honesty, I'd love to see Pinkel coach for another 5 years, bring in Christensen to run the show and slide up to the AD's role.

I liked him well enough when I was at Truman, but I've developed an incredible respect for him since I've come to Columbia. He's really a remarkable guy.

As soon as it became apparent that Pinkel was on board, I was full-steam ahead on this thing. If he's up for the challenge and if he thinks ending his coaching career in the SEC is worth doing, then I believe him.

West Virginia.

Proximity matters, a lot. This whole "of course kids in Texas want to play in the SEC!" argument doesn't fly, because aside from LSU and Arkansas (proximity), they don't go to SEC schools in significant numbers now.

If you really think that a good talented kid in the deep south, with a lot more options in the SEC than a Texas kid has in the Big 12, will choose to go to Columbia over all the deep south SEC schools, then I don't know what to tell you.

translation: "I don't have an answer. I believe Pinkel will beat all the SEC powers and convince kids to go to SEC's siberia through the magic of wishful thinking and unicorns"

I agree that West Virginia presently has a better football team.

I don't think they have a better program.

Let's not forget that MU just had 2 players go top 10 in the NFL draft and lost on the road in overtime against a very strong Arizona team (a game they should have won) and stuck to within 10 against a pissed of OU team in Norman.

MU's future is very very bright, SEC or otherwise.

Good point. Mizzou is very close in proximity to Texas.

Fun tip: Columbia is almost 200 miles closer to Atlanta than it is to Houston.

Moral victory!!! http://goemaw.com/forum/Smileys/goEMAW/Excited.gif

W.Virginia and the kids they get from FL are the ones that have offers from Fl International and Atlantic.

re-read my post. deep south kids have a ton of options. Big 12 kids do not, unless they think they can be the man who rebuilds Baylor or Okie State.

When Pinkel first came to Missouri, I didn't think he would last at all. Couple of my teammates were recruited by Mizzou, this would have been Pinkel's second year or so, and they were the biggest douchebag coaches I had met. Yost is a complete ****head IMO. Pinkel was a dick basically as well. I think Aaron O'Neils's death changed how they did things in Columbia, bc they have took a complete 360 from where they used to be. I run into Pinkel all the time during the summer at the Lake, he is a different guy than he was 10 years ago. He will never take Mizzou to a National Championship level but he is in that solid next tier below those guys for sure.

Is shit real yet?

I'll reread your post when you stop ignoring the numerous counterpoints to your stupid and ignorant posts on football recruiting.

You seriously have no clue what you are talking about.

Sorry if this has been said, but IMO the best thing for MU would be to force the Big 12 back into 2 divisions where they would spearhead the north. With Nebraska gone they would be favored most years to win it and eventually they are gonig to beat a south team a year here or a year there and get their BCS Bowl game I really just have a hard time seeing a path to a BCS Bowl game for them in the SEC.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=3960
That should sum it up for you.

Nope - losses.

But they're points worth making when discussing the overall strength of a football program. We're not going out there and having teams like Georgia Tech set records against us.

Mizzou, even when it loses, isn't getting embarrassed. It's all about the evolution of the program. Teams go from getting their asses kicked by everyone (KU), to beating bad teams but getting stomped by elite teams (the Daniel era Tigers) to beating the bad teams and hanging with the elite teams (hopefully where we are now) to simply winning against anyone (OU, Alabama, Florida).

It's fair to point out that the MU program has progressed a great deal over the last decade to the point where we can absolutely claim to be as good or better than WVU and all but about 20 programs in the nation.

But that's okay - enjoy the smack talk while you can. Grandpa Bill ain't gonna live forever and you fellas will go back to the kids table soon enough.

:spock:

You are right, I haven't been replying to anyone's points, I'm just ignoring all responses and bulldozing my way forward.

If we're just going to talk past each other, then there's not much left to talk about, all we'll end up doing is annoy each other. There's a large number of fans, especially on Tigerboard, who are hell-bent on believing that nothing bad will happen to their recruiting, and there is nothing that will change that assumption except maybe a decade of results.

I think the KU fans in this thread are no longer afraid of Mizzou leaving because it will break up the BIG XII....but instead deep down they know there might a possibility that Mizzou football might just move to the next level. I think the thought of a competitive Mizzou fighting for an SEC divisional title year in year out with national exposure drives them crazy.

If Mizzou can't hack it in the SEC, then bottom line, they weren't going to hack it in the BIG XII either. At least Mizzou will have taken a chance at being something special, and competing in the elite football conference in college football.

The KU fans are like the fans on here that are afraid for the Chiefs to draft a qb because it might be a bust. The Mizzou fans are the ones that are saying draft the guy, and take a shot, knowing that it might fail. I think Mizzou fans are comfortable with taking that chance.

Missouri has been taking kids that were over looked and putting them in a position to play on Sundays. That won't stop.

Where is the link stating Pinkel wants to go to the SEC? Even if he did it doesn't tell me shit other then he is a dumbass.

:clap:

Again, it is not the competition, it is the (lack of) recruiting in what will become the SEC's Siberia. There are some ignorant KU/UT/whatever fans who are saying "LOL Alabama, Florida and LSU will crush the Tigers, good luck!", but that argument misses the point.

If Mizzou can maintain their recruiting in the SEC, then there's no reason why things can't come together every once in a while for a conference championship.

My argument is that you will likely fail in the SEC, not because the teams are tough, but because you'll be one of the last SEC options, whereas you are currently the 3rd or 4th Big 12 option.

There is no way to scientifically prove that, so I guess we'll have to come back in 2021 and revisit what happened.

Excellent post..and this why I am excited about Mizzou moving on.

Here is a couple of Texas kids that played in the SEC
http://isportsweb.com/wp-content/upl...1/Stafford.jpg
http://www.thefastertimes.com/nflpre...g-McElroy1.jpg

I've been trying to play racquetball more often of late and the guy I play with, I can beat right at 60% of the time. That said - I have a shit backhand, I mean absolute shit. So the last game I tried to get him to serve from the other side of the court, at my backhand. I lost and lost badly, every single game. I'll continue to lose badly until I figure that shit out, but I guarantee you I'll figure it out.

What's best for MU is to learn to play its backhand, not to keep getting by against a weaker opponent off one trick.

You continue to misinterpret MU fan's goals in all this - we like the North titles and all - but don't worship them (like Beakers and their Orange Bowl). What we want is to simply have great football in Columbia. We know our record is going to be worse for being the SEC, but I also fully expect that we'll field teams over the coming years that would absolutely piss-pound teams like last year's and the year before's.

"Spearheading the North" will stall us. We'll be a nice little program that gets on TV sometimes but never really shows up nationally. And yeah - that's probably about where we'll end up in the SEC as well, but the odds of us being something more than that improve in the SEC over the XII.

WVU has 5 conference championships in the last decade in a BCS league(The weakest BCS league mind you). Mizzou? They appeared the the CCG that one time.

Ok. So WVU has 19 players on their current roster that are from the state of Florida. Why don't you think a Mizzou team that's in the SEC couldn't compete for those 19 kids?

LSU's former recruiting coordinator was brought to Missouri 3 years ago. He will be someone to lean on I imagine.

If this is the best argument you have, you should probably back it in.

The Tigers would've !@#$ing annihilated the Big East over the last 10 years.

But that's okay, big fella - let it all out. I know the Ron Prince years took a lot out of you and I'm sure the coming decade isn't going to be much kinder.

As an OU fan I guess I still don't get it. I'm perfectly happy in the Big 12 where we can get a national title game every 3 years or so then trying to run the gauntlet that is the SEC. Eventually they will win a few of those games and let's say Stoops ends up 3-5 in title games. I'll take that all day long.

Your argument makes no sense and is built on hyperbole.

You said our Texas recruiting will suffer because we won't play in Texas nearly as often, but didn't respond when I pointed out that we would go from 1 game on average in TX to 0.5 games.

You said proximity matters, but didn't respond when I pointed out that Columbia is closer to many deep south locales than Houston, a huge recruiting area for us.

You've clearly have built into your head that Mizzou will fail miserably in SEC recruiting to help you cope. Do your thing.

WV gets most of its talent from their local base, i.e Ohio,Maryland,Penn, VA. Its not the type of kids that build programs. Or you wouldnt have needed to ask which was better.

WVU has 2 BCS bowl victories in the last decade(1 being a win over OU the year Mizzou made it to the CCG). Mizzou?

Because you guys have made that leap into the elite levels - MU hasn't and they damn sure won't picking on KU, ISU and K-State every year.

If I were OU, I'd absolutely rather have the easier path the the National Championship game (though I'd argue the reason you get your asses kicked in said game is because you aren't being tested enough, but that's a tangent). You guys are already as 'developed' as a program as you're going to be; now its just a matter of winning.

But MU still has a ways to go before they can get to that level. The best chance of getting there and continuing to develop the program is by taking the program during one of the most successful and stable times in its history, and stepping up its level of competition.

This thread got Hep B.

The SEC would kill a mediocre STD.

Meh, it is not totally unfamiliar territory to them. They have been there before, for an extended period of time. How about them 86 to 92 Tigers!

http://www.big12sports.com//pdf5/134...B_OEM_ID=10410

You seem willing to be patient with the process. Do you feel most MU fans will be patient with the process or will they be calling Alden and Pinkel's head for making THIS move after 1 or 2 years? It's like getting a new QB or coach. The first year is a mulligan, but you better damn sure show signs of progress in year 2 or the fans will be bitching.

Pinkel next year. ON THE HOT SEAT. lol.

How about these current NFLers from Texas? Some of them are National Champions, some of them even gaining MVP honors.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0326...afell1_200.jpg
http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/mult...matt-flynn.jpg
http://www.broncoscountry.com/resour.../photo6506.jpg
http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/S...F0vaMshK9l.jpg
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/1014..._loved_200.jpg

They really cashed in on that.

So I see Hemi is trying to takeover Wickeddumb's role of weak random trolling without ever providing an interesting comment. Sweet.

That's the worst option... they used to get pushed all over the field against a team like OU, and they've made big strides and can now at least hang with them. How would going back to ISU, KU, etc; and playing OU once every other year help? At least now, without divisions, they would be facing Texas, OU and OSU every year. Sure, MU will take a step or two back if they go to the SEC, but the best option for any team wanting to be the best is to play against the best.

Didn't - what's your point?

Rich Rodriguez did some great things for the program. When last I checked, he was gone. And it wasn't exactly the prettiest ending down there in Morgantown.

Last season they did a decent job beating on a really awful conference...then their coach got run out of town. Maybe the new guy really is an offensive genius (he has a lot of Leach in him), but I do know that the program has been in a lot of flux recently and this stuff tends to add up.

We shall see.

LMAO

You said "over the last decade Mizzou is a better program or at least on par than WVU"

By any metric they aren't.

Wins over the last decade: Mizzou 77 WVU 88

Without question.

The rest of your post is based on a faulty assumption.

You're grossly underestimating this fanbase, IMO. Oh sure, the people that didn't want to leave to begin with will get riled up immediately (likely fueled by the talk-radio asshats like Kietzmann), but the vast majority of MU fans full recognize what we're getting into here and will react accordingly.

I really appreciate the concern from the fans of the other schools. Its nice to have such caring friends in the Big Leftover.

Todd Haley on the hot seat in 2011 lol

ROFL, just trying to understand where all this football dynasty attitude stems from. It was mentioned KU was the doormat, and their current record is the exact same as the Tigers.

So, if you aren't slobbering all over the Mizzou cock, that is trolling?

Moral victories suck. Real victories rock. We'll be picking one up this Saturday.

Likely by 2 TD's.

If you say so man, but to use another anaology as a Royals fan I would not be happy about a move to the AL East. Right now the SEC is like dating that new chick that can do no wrong. The endorphins are bouncing around in the brain and she is the only one for you, but eventually you are hitting doggie style and she rips a big one right in your grill and you start thinking damn my ex never did that to me. The SEC will eventually rip one right in MU's grill.

Again the Big East is a glorified MAC - counting win totals doesn't really floor me.

They're comparable programs. Go talent for talent down the respective rosters over that time period and I don't see how you can disagree. Then when you consider the upheaval and scandal at WVU that hasn't hit MU, I'm more than happy standing MU's program up to WVUs.

This is what I have always wondered too.

Same analogy - do you think the Rays would've developed like they have from the AL Central?

I really don't.

Those boys have been fire hardened over there. A guy like James Shields simply wouldn't have become what he is today had he not gone through the wars in the AL East.