Fun year so far, unbelievable job Tang has done. I'm sure KU will put it down on us in Lawrence.

I'm legitimately worried he may pull a Huggins on us (1-and-done) and head back down to Texas after the season. Perhaps he goes the Scott Drew route and builds up our program for the next few decades - who knows.

What has me most excited is that this doesn't seem to be a flash in the pan sort of deal; we're a legitimately a good team, comprised entirely of cast-offs and transfer portal gets. We have 3(!!!) 4-star recruits set to join the team as freshmen next year, and have a few offers out to 5-star dudes in the next class.

This is the shit we could have never dreamed of during the decade of bitch-boy Bruce.

Pootie Tang 2 Emawboogaloo

I was just telling someone this morning that K-State had better have a BIG contract extension offered to him with in a week’s time. Don’t wait for the end of the season, do it NOW.

It seems a little out of character for a guy who has passed on being a HC up until now because he didn’t want just any opportunity, he was content where he was until the right opportunity came along. But when Texas comes calling, pulling up in a Brinks truck, all bets are likely off.

In the KU BB thread, you talked about your first trip to Allen FH. Mine was 1975. Chuckie Williams, Mike Evans, Carl Gerlach, Daryl Winston

vs

Rick Suttle, Danny Knight, Norm Cook, Roger Morningstar.

Owens was running the old double post.

Early on, Chuckie was up high (all alone) for a defensive rebound, took his eye off it, lost it OOB. The crowd went crazy. Cause CW was a bad ass player.


KU scored the next 20 points and routed KSU 91-50.

Great days as a kid.

If he stays, great.

If he goes, thank him and wish him well. All you can do. The guy is a helluva coach and great guy by all public accounts.

Ted Owens lost his last 9 to KSU/Mizzou, then publicly complained to the media when he got fired. Lulz

Cotton Fitzsimmons coached at KSU then 20 years in the nba. He was coaching the Kings when I went to a few games at Kemper

Larry Brown lost to KSU and Mizzou a number of times in his 5 years at KU including twice in 1988. Kietzman points not to his hiring but to the Elite 8 game as the turning point in the programs and I can’t disagree

Hey Ted
 

Ted Owens was my favorite KU coach. Attended the KU- KSU game in Ahearn. If you recall, they pulled up rope's temporary for players, coaches crossing the indoor track from the locker room. My college roommate and myself waited as KU players went by. Ted was bringing up the rear, and my roommate yells "Hey Ted" Ted got this weird look like do I know you, and then proceeded to come over and shake my roommate's hand. We laughed our butts off. Cats won 70-53. KU went 4-10 in the conference. Ted was a nice guy but seem like the world spun a little too fast for him.

I just cant see Tang wanting to go to Austin...it just doesnt really fit his personality as much as Kstate

Man I hope that's the case. With that said, Austin is just an hour from where he spent the last 20 years of his life (Waco), and more generally, its in Texas where's he's been forever. More money, resources, exposure, talent AND get paid a shit ton to be closer to home? It's gotta be an attractive destination for him.

The other thing to factor in is he seems to be all-in on K-State so far, and even his daughter is enrolled there now. Not saying that can't change, but it's a variable to factor in.

Outside of Scott Drew stepping down at Baylor, the UT job is the one most worrisome for him to bail.

Either way, we can't control it so you've just gotta hope Mean Gene gets a significant raise/extension done for him, and probably Klieman, too.

Beyond that, we should also toss some money at Gene, too... he nailed both of his coaching hires in the past couple years.

Texas is a tough crowd as a coach..He can be an big fish influencer in Manhattan and spread his "word"...In Austin, maybe not so much

Texas isn't going to be the only big fish interested at this rate. In fact, several blue bloods are in precarious positions right now and might be looking for a new hire soon.

KSU needs to be backing up the brinks trucks right now. You all got someone truly special here, and I hate that.

Came here to pretty much post this.

Gun to my head, he gets Calipari's job. Especially if he continues to shit the bed.

I haven't got into it much, but my fellow KU fans and KSU fans alike respect and appreciate his message to KSU fans on how to handle themselves. it is especially impressive as a first year guy.

Again, it's hard to find much to criticize Tang for and damn that sucks.

I find it very unlikely Calipari goes anywhere unless some school drops the bag for him or he wants to leave (both of which I find unlikely).

Tang maybe a great coach, but he’ll be 57 in October and hasn’t had a run in March yet as HC. I find it Kentucky would go after a HC with little college HC experience and is 57.

LOL at Kentucky going after Coach Tang. He’s 56 years old in his first gig. Also, UT? You can be a deeply religious guy who publicly espouses those beliefs in WACO and MHK, but that doesn’t play nearly as well in Austin.

Lastly, why are we not talking about the real candidate here: TJ Otzelberger. Dude is 45, and on his 3rd HC gig. He’s probably got the most balanced team in the B12 and has taken his team to the S16 in a year they were supposed to be B12 bottom feeders.

I could also see Nate Oats being someone Texas calls considering just to see if he’s interested. Also unclear if they’ll build their proposed arena anytime soon in Tuscaloosa.

I think it's unlikely also, and even less intelligent than it is likely.

But when they kept Tubby Smith too long, twitter didn't exist and the ESPN model was much different. I was shocked when I saw Calipari publicly addressing criticism. You mother****ers are crazy and might just run off that dude, despite that being intergalactically stupid.

And you're right on Tang, but the culture change he's instilling at KSU is exactly what UK needs, and they may make a bad decision. Hell, colleges do it all the time.

Tubby was ran out but Tubby also wanted out. He would not have been fired, unlike Gillispie.

Tang or someone else coming won’t change the culture within the fan base as a shit ton of people are delusional with expectations. Recruiting wise, Calipari is doing fine. The first five years of his tenure are unreasonable to expect to sustain over an entire decade. I believe at some point he’ll win another title at Kentucky if he’s there for another 5+ years. He’s too good of a recruiter and coach not to.

The culture I was referring to was on the team.

Calipari brings in elite talent and doesn't really make them work very hard, because he doesn't want to lose anybody. Tries to get there with energy cheerleading.

Tang has KSU grinding. That's what UKs talent needs to do .

I agree. If I were a UK fan, I'd be seriously pissed if they're trying to run out Calipari, because despite whatever you think you can get in the market, it can get worse. See: Puke, North Carolina 2023.

Michigan State shouldn't be running out Izzo (I don't think they are), and WVU shouldn't run out Thuggy Bear. It's not like these guys are Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edward up in there.

But again, you guys are crazy. KU ran out Fatgino. KSU ran out Frank Martinstein (those memes still make me laugh) and all paid the price. Sometimes colleges do dumb shit.

Our price was 2 B12 Championships under Coach Squeak :) I loved Frank, but he morphed into a whiny little bitch near the end - mainly because of our AD, but he handled it poorly. His wife hated MHK, so it was never going to work.

As someone who leans left and has lived in Austin for 12 years (just moved home this year), I can tell you that UT sphere is much bigger than the city of Austin. Tons and tons of wealthy, wine and cheese conservative Christians from all over the state and beyond make up the fan base. If he wins there, which is all that matters, you can bet your ass they'll be praying before games tip off and shit.

Certainly - it would play better in wacky Waco & Baylor.

That said, the UT basketball fanbase pretty much blows and the stadium is never full....

To be fair, the Hawk’togon wasn’t full Tues for KU

LOL - yes it was

ESPN box score says 11,000 (12,528 capacity)

This season withstanding (as it’s not over yet), I’ve never really questioned the player’s efforts and Calipari not holding them to a standard with regards to giving a shit. ****, he called out Tshiebwe last week saying he wasn’t in the gym as often as last year. I also know that when they’ve had a four game losing streak, practices would go on longer. If someone’s playing like ass, Cal will switch them out. He subbed out the entire starting lineup at Alabama because they were getting their ass kicked.

Speaking of Frank Martin, I saw him at a coffee shop a year ago on a game day.
No one said anything aside from one guy going to shake his hand. I wonder what would’ve happened if he didn’t leave for SC.

The capacity in Bramlage hasn't been that since they put in the Loge Seating. It's about ~11,500, and trust me it was full.

At least it doesn’t smell like a barn full of piss.

UMKC pouch of ouch

That game was definitely THE turning point. Lon would leave for UFLA after the 88-89 season (and get his 1st FF there also).
Altman
Asbury
Wooly
Huggs
Frank
Squeak
vs
Roy to Self.

Why did Kruger leave? KSU alum, feels like nowadays that'd be considered a dream set-up.

Frank was seriously ****ed over by AD, Currie. Not allowing Jamar to play in his last game because he took $100 from an old AAU coach?

That was a shit deal. And I still to this day, don’t blame Frank one bit. And I disagree (with personal knowledge) that Mrs Frank disliked MHK.

Wasn’t there a mini-mutiny led by Will Spradling and some guys, too?

Another thing happened in 1988 that changed the course: the Hawk’togon opened. They ditched Ahearn for reasons I’ve never understood. A refurb of that place would’ve done wonders for KSU.

It’s hard to say it’s hurt them for home games, they won 79% there be 76% at Bram. But I’d bet it hurt recruiting not being able to sell all the rowdy crowds each nite in that barn.
https://www.jpnordin.com/ksu/images/mg74p59ahearnl.jpg
(Side note: after Rupp opened late 70s, programs decided to build new and large. Carrier Dome, Dean Dome was drawn up, etc). Paradox: KSU got their program underway but KU couldn’t due to being a down program at the time under Ted

TLDR: KUs struggles saved the Phog

Lon saw the writing. The Big 8 was making overtures to KSU to get their collective shit together in football or say goodbye.

Although hired on 11/24, on 11/30/88 Steve Miller introduced one Bill Snyder as the head coach of K-State football. Snyder only took the job with the PROMISE the athletic department would pour millions into football for facilities, recruiting and most of all coaches.

MBBall was relatively inexpensive to run (at the time). And Kruger had held it together really well. Even with the introduction of Billy Tubbs style basketball. It took the league into a new age. Waymon Tisdale was unlike anything the Big 8 had ever seen and they played a run and gun style for 40 minutes.

That led to an incredible era of Big 8 bball. Mitch, Danny, Jeff Grayer, Chievous.. stars galore. Brown, Kruger, Norm, Tubbs.

Was amazing.

He moved on because he knew a teacher’s/cow college couldn’t support both.

He was right.

Also true. The joint was a fire hazard. At the time it was either raise money for a new arena or put almost the same amount into bringing Ahearn up to code.

Never thought it would result ina generic stale place. But it did. Wish they could have done it differently. Like Hinkle FH at Butler.

But here we are…

Apocryphal perhaps, but I’ve always heard KSU had the biggest arena in America when it opened (14k). And the state had the two biggest when Phog opened 4 years later (17,000). I’ve tried verifying this myself and I haven’t found any contrary evidence

It’s possible Ahearn had to go but that doesn’t explain why it’s still in use by KSU today. I’d bet the same folks who designed and built it, then worked on Phog too

It was 14k. But that didn’t last long. Fire Marshal ended that quickly.

And going back through some stuff, Bramlage is not the building that was presented in the original discussion. Not even close. It was supposed to be round and have two levels. Limestone on the outside. And was supposed to hold 16k.

Ahearn is in use today because they made the requisite upgrades to the facility to allow up to 6500 fans to watch a game. But even when I was a kid it was a raised floor over dirt. You could look up to the ceiling from the outer concourse and see the dirt in in the air above the scoreboard. I had a lot of fun there.

Oh and if they renovated Ahearn, they would have had to shut it down. Unlike Gallagher-Iba, they were able to play while the roof was raised. And they ruined that place. Holy shit it was LOUD.

What is EMAW? Is that "every man a wildcat"? That's gotta be the gayest sports slogan I've heard since I was in Seattle and everyone had a $300 authentic #12 jersey with "FAN" stitched on the back, hyping each other up with man hugs calling each other "12s", telling me that KC wasn't as loud as "12 Stadium".

I'm a Jayhawk fan now. Rock Chalk is at least unique and has history. EMAW is something that the youtube algorithm would recommend to me because I watched one video about how a video game sucked.

So why would we concern ourselves with your opinion?

Wish your neighbors up north would learn from you guys you've had a string of good basketball hires and your football coach is one of the better ones. No hype just hire the right guy

Hi Great Value Yakoff Smirnoff.

Nebraska has a rich history of success, and that's what's holding them back.

They need a fresh reboot, out of program ties. Not an old **** from another program, either.

College football is way better with a good Nebraska team. I hope they get it figured out.

Lady friend of mine went to KSU so I've been trying to talk myself into rooting for them insofar as a fan of a specific PAC-12 can root for another college. It was going well overall. That #22 running back Deuce Vaughn we both agree is a stud. KSU had a nice little college football run but they were clearly not on the level of the PAC-12 school I root for; few are. It was fine.

Then KSU beat the Jayhawks in basketball and that was fun for us both, mostly her. So it was even more than fine at that point.

Then I saw that KSU fans all run around yelling EMAW to each other and I gotta get off this ship before it sets sail. This isn't for me. It's really clownlike and lame.

Well slap my ass and call me Suzanne. That might be the most original put down I've ever seen. I bow down to your superiority.

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Brook Berringer is still dead.

As a newly crowned Jayhawk fan let me be the first to point out that Jacob Pullen never amounted to anything. I don't think he ever even made the NBA.

Saul .. LMAO

Sorry, I’m not going to get into a smaque war with a newbie t-shirt fan. The experienced ones are face palm worthy as it is.

You watch women's minor league soccer tho what a life

Is it a regular diss on KSU that their fan slogan reminds people of youtube algorithms related to bad video games? I think not. I'd be shocked if that's a standard thing you hear up there in Manhattan.

Did you know that during the Civil War, Kansas was called "Bleeding Kansas"? And it wasn't cause the fighting was so tough there. It was cause of all the menstrating.

The f happened to this thread?

This forum is better with a healthy EMAW thread on the front page. Haven’t seen KSU-Nebraska smack like this since my childhood.

Some moron wandered in.

William Faulkner briefly went to Ole Miss. He sure as hell never went to KU.

huh?

He led his 2017 Purple and Black team to the sweet 16 of the TBT thank you very much.

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I had money on that era of Wildcats back before I could afford to lose that money. But lose it I did on those EMAWs. I've had issues with that team ever since.

Vlad, you crazy man...thats why I dig your posts

Your issue with a team resides in the fact that you are a degenerate gambler? LMAO

Was that the year yall claimed Big 12 Champs after losing to KU 3 times that year?

Big time. A while ago I was a diehard Angels fan. Parents took me to the games there cause that was the local team. I remember that big A out there. So I was an Angel fan for a fur piece of time.

Then in 2002, they won the Championship. It was the greatest but also worst sporting outcome of my life, cause as happy as I was, as summitted on K2 as I felt, ultimately what did I get out of it? Entertaining TV, nothing more. I wasn't in Orange County at the time so I couldn't attend any of the games in person you see, so ultimately, it was a TV show I liked.

This brought me to existential crisis. Most of my waking life was devoted to sports you see, and now it had actually happened: pure orgasm, my squad won it all. But ultimately, it was a TV show I enjoyed.

From that moment, I decided I gotta completely stop paying attention to sports cause it's pointless and worthless, or dig into such matters as sabermetrics to get something out of sports akin to what the players glean: cash money profit.

Ever since then, my first and only allegiance is to whatever team or player I'm betting on. I still love the Chiefs though and I don't bet on the NFL cause it's rigged.

I need a WilliamTheIrish synopsis on how Ron Prince almost single handedly reverted Kansas St. to the pre-Snyder era and how Bob Huggins/Frank Martin are the saviors of Kansas St. basketball.

Jake never hoisted a trophy. Kind of like Nebraska

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Nebraska won the tourney in like 93' I don't think Kstate has ever won anything your biggest moment was losing to A&M and then to Purdue. Then of course this year you got dragged by Bama in 1 of your historic seasons this year.


I think K-States biggest win came outside of sports getting that biological center

Thank you for confirming (more than you already have) that your opinion is worthless.


EMAW

Bleeding Kansas.

Talk to your new found “rival” Mizzou about that shit.


Interesting little historical fact that I discovered when trying to determine the origin of the mythical jayhawk bird many years ago (and this is basically admitted to by KU’s own website in regards to the mythical bird and atrocities carried out by the group(s) - jayhawkers were not only the Kansas equivalent of the Missouri border ruffians, it was a label applied to both sides early on. They (both sides) were war profiteers using a flag and cause as their cover to pillage and plunder and commit any other crime they desired.

KU is everything they claim to hate about Mizzou.

It’s no wonder they are surprised by K-State fans “sudden” hatred of them; they have been so far up Mizzou’s/their own ass, to realize we’ve hated their arrogant condescending ways for waaaaaaaaazy longer than Mizzou’s leaving the conference.

They are an insecure institution and fan base (evidenced by the fact that they have to claim big brother status even though they are the second child) with even deeper psychological issues of self resentment that they will never bring themselves to admit to, let alone deal with.

This is the authentic talk I come to CP for. You've convinced me. I really didn't need that much convincing after reading the first 400 pages of the first of Shelby Foote's Civil War Narrative Trilogy, and that's this: Kansas the state is soft as butter. I can't support the KU Jayhawks anymore than I can support the KSU Wildcats, when I really support.....Chase Daniel and Will Franklin and those Mizzou Tigers!

Everyone knows Blaine Gabbert went to Mizzou and they laugh about that, but before Gabbert, there was Daniel, and Daniel was once a Chief.

One of my favorite dragging moments came when NU's Lawrence Phillips dragged his ex girlfriend down the stairs of her apartment and smashed her head into a mailbox.

While her current boyfriend (Scott Frost) hid in a closet.

"Fortunately, the girl was not seriously injured"./ Tom Osborne.


("Not as seriously as the rapes that occurred during the highest roid era" after asking for clarification)

Where to start on that one... guy had some incredible coaches on his staff. They'd get to know him and leave quickly. He could recruit too. billay may still have the tear and semen stained pillow from his youth when Prince took Josh Freeman from them.

FYP.

LMAO I’m EMAW you doofus. Thanks for proving my point about where you squawks keep your heads though.

The lavender two tones look fabulous. The actual play on the floor is leaving a lot to be desired.

5 point deficit at half.

No gimmes in this conference.

Snyder had some real characters as well. I hung out with one when I was bartending a few years ago. Forget his name but was a USC guy originally think he robbed someone or something then Snyder took him in. Interesting fellow

The Kansas Republican party gave Freemans dad a job and Josh was heavy into drinking and the booger sugar that's why his career ended so shortly.

Oh I forgot about that. LMAO