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mr. tegu 07-15-2024 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ToxSocks (Post 17586100)
I'm just miffed by the Scorpion Ballistas, or lack thereof.

1. In the original GOT series, they introduced the Scorpion as some sort of new technology designed to fight off a dragon. Ok, great. Maybe it was poor writing, innaccurate, or im just mis-remembering, but i swear they made it seem like it was new tech.

2. So then we go back in time to HoD and they're discussing using Scorpions. Whoa....ok, so they WEREN'T new technology, they had them hundreds of years prior to GOT? Sure, i mean that makes MORE sense really since there woulda been more dragons around and thus a bigger need. But of course that's a major contradiction.

3. So....if we know Dragons are the biggest threat to pretty much every kingdom in the world....how is every castle NOT guarded by a slew of Scorpion ballistas?

In a series so well written....the fact that Scorpions are nowhere to be found is some serious unspoken plot armor.


I seem to recall that In GOT times giant dragons were just as much historical myth as they were fact for large parts of the population. It doesn’t seem that unreasonable that it would take time to rediscover a defense for them once they finally actually show up.

And I can totally buy the idea that if you do post dragon defenses you are basically advertising you don’t support Targaryens or their allies and are happy to invite a fight. Probably not the best idea.

ThaVirus 07-15-2024 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17586384)
EDIT: Reddit says that the Dornish created the Scorpion used in it battles prior to the events of House of the Dragon.

Dorne definitely had them during Aegon the Conqueror’s lifetime. They killed one his sister’s dragons, Meraxes, with a scorpion, IIRC. There’s some badass art of the aftermath.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">During the First Dornish War, the dragon Meraxes was killed when a very lucky shot from a scorpion bolt pierced the dragon&#39;s eye and went into her brain, killing Meraxes instantly mid-flight and presumably causing Rhaenys Targaryen to fall to her death <a href="https://t.co/aRJB4KtWsI">pic.twitter.com/aRJB4KtWsI</a></p>&mdash; Thrones Facts | HOTD �� (@Thrones_Facts) <a href="https://twitter.com/Thrones_Facts/status/1244449384990789636?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

staylor26 07-15-2024 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17586543)
Dorne definitely had them during Aegon the Conqueror’s lifetime. They killed one his sister’s dragons, Meraxes, with a scorpion, IIRC. There’s some badass art of the aftermath.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">During the First Dornish War, the dragon Meraxes was killed when a very lucky shot from a scorpion bolt pierced the dragon&#39;s eye and went into her brain, killing Meraxes instantly mid-flight and presumably causing Rhaenys Targaryen to fall to her death <a href="https://t.co/aRJB4KtWsI">pic.twitter.com/aRJB4KtWsI</a></p>&mdash; Thrones Facts | HOTD �� (@Thrones_Facts) <a href="https://twitter.com/Thrones_Facts/status/1244449384990789636?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I recently read about Meraxes death. Don't know much about that storyline/period. That's a dope pic.

ThaVirus 07-15-2024 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17586718)
I recently read about Meraxes death. Don't know much about that storyline/period. That's a dope pic.

Agreed.

Imagine the guy who let that bolt fly.. he probably fathered so many Sands off the strength of that kill lol

The Dornish were actually super badass. They were the only kingdom who didn’t get conquered by Aegon and his sisters.

staylor26 07-15-2024 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17586732)
Agreed.

Imagine the guy who let that bolt fly.. he probably fathered so many Sands off the strength of that kill lol

The Dornish were actually super badass. They were the only kingdom who didn’t get conquered by Aegon and his sisters.

Yea, it really makes the Dornish sound even more badass, especially considering they never had to deal with a ****ing dragon before Aegon came to Westeros (right? Lol).

Bowser 07-15-2024 09:13 PM

So, we've finally reached the classic "setup" episode for this season.

Good, shit should start kicking off soon.

PatMahomesIsGod 07-17-2024 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 17587029)
So, we've finally reached the classic "setup" episode for this season.

Good, shit should start kicking off soon.

They’re setting up the Blacks to get a couple of important dragonriders.

Dunerdr 07-17-2024 07:19 AM

Setting up bastards and married off cousins to ride dragons. I assume this is the start of the dragons downfall. This could open up dragons with loyalty to their own houses. Is this where dragons start killing off all dragons until there are none left?


Also come on there has to be a wild dragon somewhere in the wild right? They came from the wild. Surely not every single wild dragon was tamed. I assume they stole a clutch of eggs to start. Surely the mothers of those dragons had more.

duncan_idaho 07-17-2024 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17588673)
Setting up bastards and married off cousins to ride dragons. I assume this is the start of the dragons downfall. This could open up dragons with loyalty to their own houses. Is this where dragons start killing off all dragons until there are none left?


Also come on there has to be a wild dragon somewhere in the wild right? They came from the wild. Surely not every single wild dragon was tamed. I assume they stole a clutch of eggs to start. Surely the mothers of those dragons had more.


They seem to be compacting the storyline a bit, but the source material featured wild dragons living on dragon stone.

raybec 4 07-17-2024 09:21 AM

Spoiler!

Discuss Thrower 07-17-2024 09:26 AM

The "wtf where are the scorpions?" thing is an unfortunate side effect of "writers typically suck at scale & numbers" thing.

For Westerosis to plausibly forget a usable dragon countermeasure would need about another 100 years of history to elapse between Danaerys crossing the sea and the death of the last dragon in King's Landing.

WhawhaWhat 07-17-2024 10:07 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSsdTLgX...pg&name=medium

PatMahomesIsGod 07-17-2024 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 17588869)

Those are gonna be bangers.

Dunerdr 07-17-2024 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 17588802)
The "wtf where are the scorpions?" thing is an unfortunate side effect of "writers typically suck at scale & numbers" thing.

For Westerosis to plausibly forget a usable dragon countermeasure would need about another 100 years of history to elapse between Danaerys crossing the sea and the death of the last dragon in King's Landing.

Someone mentioned that politically it would not look good to be ruled by the dragons blood and have scorpions on your walls. Likely they were taken down or dismantled to be used for something else.

Discuss Thrower 07-17-2024 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17589207)
Someone mentioned that politically it would not look good to be ruled by the dragons blood and have scorpions on your walls. Likely they were taken down or dismantled to be used for something else.

The Targs didn't need them until the Dance considering they had control of the claimed ones and the wild ones just kinda ****ed around and ate livestock idk.


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