The Broncos getting Russell Wilson is pretty bad, but I think this takes the case.

On some of those balls it looks like he doesn't even remember how to grip it.

I mean he had two deep balls in there that looked like they just sailed out the top of his hand. A couple others where his arm just came through sideways for no reason.

Best guys I have is that his shoulder isn't sound anymore. My labrum's ****ed up in my shoulder so on any given throw when I'm playing softball, I don't really know how it's going to behave in the socket. about 80% of the time it does what I expect but sometimes it'll just get 'loose' and my arm won't do what I expected it to do.

If I were an NFL quarterback and was only 80% certain my arm would behave like I expected, I'd be a mess. Every throw would be something I'm 'feeling' for as I'm releasing.

If his shoulder injury damaged the joint in his shoulder to the point that he can't trust his delivery to repeat itself, he's ****ed. He's not even a backup at that point. He HAS to be able to trust his arm to do what he expects it to do. When it doesn't...well, that's how you see misses like that.

It's about the only thing that makes sense to me.

The irony is he got thrown under the bus for having an off year while playing through a shoulder injury. Baker is not a rock star but the browns are probably competitive enough with a game manager which baker can do.

I love that.

The Browns and their fans did Baker so dirty for having the audacity to try to play through injury. Apart from that one year, his development arc looked like a normal young QB.

And the Browns just shit all over him then dumped him while gutting their cap and picks for the privilege of doing so.

They deserve this.

I agree. Worst trade of all time.

Browns are so screwed

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A crook like Haslem deserves to be fleeced by Watson.

Because Mayfield sucked ass in the playoffs.

Teams loaded up on stopping the run and dared him to beat them and he couldn't. I don't know that moving on from him was a terrible decision based on that.

I mean sure, you can tell yourself moar weapons and moar development, I guess.

Obviously going all in on Watson was a huge mistake.

Watson looks like a beaten man.

I dunno man, Mayfield wasn't terribad. He's not mahomes but he's kind of cemented himself as an alex smith guy. Good enough to manage games. He had a really good third year and then slipped because of injury. Like any game manager he needs a supporting cast and needs to be healthy, and like Alex Smith it of course comes with limitations. But the vast majority of qbs don't even have this kind of floor. Which right now, also includes deshaun Watson

If they'd kept and paid Baker (and retained their picks), they'd be pretty nasty right now.

Wilson to donx was insanely bad. The picks, players, and contract were all brutal for a fat old guy who was clearly declining.

I mean, they beat Philly last season very soundly and he kept them with Detroit who was clearly a better team.

He's averaged over 8 AY/A in the post-season. He's put up a 10-3 TD/INT rate and averaged right at 290 yards/gm passing.

No, he's not a superstar. But he's been a credible QB even in the post-season. And at about $33 million/season, he's not being paid an absurd sum by NFL QB standards. I'd take him at that contract over Dak, that's for damn sure.

I mean look at the guys in front of him, many of them by a LOT. Lawrence, Love, Tua, Goff and Hurts are all making over $50 million/season. Murray, Watson and Cousins are all over $40 million. Jones and Carr are making more than Mayfield.

Mayfield is 2nd from the bottom among non-rookie deal starting QBs in the entire NFL. Only Geno and Minshew make less. And I guess Darnold who's now the starter by default.

Mayfield is a pretty substantial asset at this point, IMO. There are few guys the Bucs could've gotten instead of him that could've/would've worked out better.

Nope. Thx for playing though!:thumb:


Among currently active QBs, Baker's been one of the better QBs during the playoffs. In fact, Baker really hasn't had a 'bad' playoff game in four starts.
https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/MayfBa00.htm

I mean presume they retain Mayfield - the cap benefits alone to this point would be massive.

And if they just take the consensus player at 13, they end up with Kyle Hamilton in 2022. Let's say having Mayfield instead of Watson in 2023 puts them in the same position Tampa ended up -- they could take Zay Flowers at 19 with the pick they gave up and then in 2024 lets say they draft at 25 -- they could have taken Nate Wiggins to help cover for Ward's concussion issues.

Hamilton, Flowers and Wiggins plus likely around $50 million in cap savings or at LEAST no need to engage in the sort of cap ****ery that's going to sabotage them over the next 2-3 seasons.

I mean yeah - the entire exchange was catastrophic.