Adam Schelfer is quite the insider.

Henderson. Lets get this offense as explosive as possible in both the run and pass game. The top 5 teams in the NFL have stud backs except for the Chiefs (Eagles, Lions, Ravens, Bills).

I bet they told him early to see if he's going to flee the country rather than go to the Browns. Better to find out now.

I just put this in the draft forum and firmly talked myself into Henderson as my 1B to Conerly instead of Tuimoloau or any WR...

"If TreVeyon Henderson is sitting there, as much as there are a ton of great backs in this draft, there is not a more perfect match for Andy Reid and what he likes to do with that position. He would probably see as many or more targets in the passing game as a slot WR would. That kid would turn Reid back into the kid in the candy store that made this offense great. In Brian Westbrook's heyday, he had 73-703-6, 61-616-4, 77-699-4, 90-771-5, and 54-402-5. A couple of those seasons he also rushed for over 1200 yards. Henderson can have that type of passing game impact."

Duncan,

If you’re reading this, don’t watch this bud.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Adam Schefter discussing what the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> might do in Round 1… �� <a href="https://t.co/yAQqYhs8Tn">pic.twitter.com/yAQqYhs8Tn</a></p>&mdash; Chiefs Blitz (@ChiefsBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsBlitz/status/1914839175016190080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Greg Cosell broke down Henderson and repeatedly compared him to Westbrook. One note on Henderson, for a smaller back, dude is elite in pass pro. Absolutely freaking lays people out

The Chiefs could be busy behind the scenes calling teams and gathering information about whether or not they can get a tackle they like in this draft.

Doesn't mean it's going to be Simmons.

I could see us trading up for Simmons

The Chiefs have drafted FAU at 21 years old, KS at 21 years old, Xavier Worthy at 21 years old. Trent McDuffie at 21 years old. George Karlaftis at 21 years old. One way to “game” the draft when you’re picking at #31 and #32 is to pick a junior who very well might be a top-15 player if they had stayed till their senior year. The down side is a bit of “delayed” development.

Trading up to take Conerly over Burden would be like the worst thing they could do.

Why post something from an account named Adam Sche1FER?

You should work for the Bengals. This is how they roll.

Well, yeah.

The goal is to build a TEAM that can win a Super Bowl.

Everything else is failure.

And when you're doing it year in and year out, you're playing whack-a-mole all over your roster while picking last.

This shit is hard. Veach is doing a great job.

I think they are going to take Simmons and will trade up, giving up a 3rd to get up around 20-22.

Not what I'd do but in Veach we trust

If the Chiefs hadn’t signed Jaylon Moore, I’d believe it a little more.

Trading up to take a guy with that big of a health question mark is a desperate move, and they don’t need to make a desperate move. They have inoculated themselves from it.

I agree with you. I watched the RGR youtube of their mock draft. They basically said the same thing.

Almost everyone has us taking Simmons, Maybe its all a big group think instead of their own thoughts.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> conducted a virtual call with Ohio State RB TreVeyon Henderson on Tuesday. Head coach Andy Reid was part of the call. <br><br>Henderson is considered a riser, and the Chiefs, who could be looking for more explosion in the backfield, are doing late homework on the position. <a href="https://t.co/39wIeWH9uP">pic.twitter.com/39wIeWH9uP</a></p>&mdash; Jeremy Fowler (@JFowlerESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1915019060749754730?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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I’ve been trying to say it…

He’s exactly the type of player Veach likes to swing on early in the draft.

I just hope he gets to 31, I’m fearful of Denver and Washington.

I refuse to get my hopes up!

In the first? Wouldn't be my preference.

Wouldn't be my first choice, but it's one of the most exciting picks the Chiefs can possibly make.

Henderson would take this offense to an entirely different level, one we have yet to see.

I guess. Just depends how the board fall but if one of the upper tier DL or WR are still there that'd be much preferable.

I don't think they'd take Henderson if Nolen, Harmon, or Grant were on the board.

As for WR, I think Henderson is more likely. He's such an asset to the running game and passing game. Between his ability as a receiver and his pass blocking he's just a phenomenal fit.

This isn't a CEH situation where they wouldn't trust him to pass block early on. He'd play early and he'd play a ton.

Charles Robinson said in his article that the top 5 tackles (this include Simmons) should fly off the board.

Jeremy Fowler said this morning that teams aren’t overly concerned about Simmons injury.

He’s gonna go before the Chiefs get a shot anyway

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One of the Draft’s biggest curiosities is <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OSU?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OSU</a> OT Josh Simmons, a sure first-round talent coming off a patellar tendon rupture in October. While opinions vary, teams were impressed with where he was at Combine rechecks. He squatted 225 in April. He’s already doing sled work. It’s… <a href="https://t.co/LCqjLDBTsl">pic.twitter.com/LCqjLDBTsl</a></p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1915031194330190090?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Could be the opposite. The reason they can take a swing on Simmons and not rush him back is because they have a starting LT already. We could redshirt him this year to allow his knee to fully heal. It would be a dream come true to have a bookend LT ready to go on a rookie contract in 2026.

I won’t say I’m torn on Simmons - I actively don’t want him because the injury history on players with patella tears shows that basically 1 in 5 players makes it back to something similar to what they were before. Has the surgery improved in some way? Was his tear partial? Do the Chiefs feel good about their evals? If the answer to all of them is yes, Simmons is a steal at 31. We often talk about elite tackle prospects not being available where we pick. It’s possible that he be the first of his caliber to show up there. Last year, we’d have tacked the 6th or 7th OT but they were all gone even after trading up.

I don't care what his medicals say, unless he can prove without a shadow of a doubt that the strength/agility/burst is still there in that knee, (he can't) I'm not touching him.

Let the Chargers or some other team take that risk. The next guy that comes back from a patella rupture and is the same guy as before will be the first.

"RB on a stacked national championship team, can do everything, take him in the late first"



I feel like I've read this book before....

So don’t take an Edge then because of FAU?

Can’t take a DT, remember that Ryan Sims pick?

Silly logic…

Yea because Henderson = CEH :rolleyes:

Lazy as ****.

Don't take a RB in the first because....it's a RB.

The situation is pretty similar, gotta admit. Kinda funny.

Yeah who wouldn’t want Gibbs or Bijan or Saquon…you’re right…

Yeah you could never get guys like that in free agency or whatnot

Clyde was a ****ing slow midget who ran a 4.57 and couldn’t pass block to save his life.

Comparing that to Henderson is legitimately insane. That’s like comparing a Percheron to a Donkey.

And at 31 we get a RB for 5 years at about $13.5 million total. But hey let’s take a project like Felix again if we get stuck like last time.

Elite RB's seem to go pretty high in the draft these days, yet this one is gonna go at the end of the first and I'm to believe I couldn't get a similar prospect at the end of the 2nd?

Are you new to draft season? Of COURSE it's all a big group think.

That's why we have people saying that Josh Simmons was a blue-chip prospect, likely OT1 and a potential top 5 pick had he not gotten hurt.

That's just not there. I wanted to talk myself into the idea a couple months ago and started looing at it -- you just cannot reach that conclusion. But draft thy name is Groupthink and once it started to get momentum from someone (who we now KNOW do favors for agents to get information) it bounced around the echo chamber enough to become fact.

This feels so much like the Jeremiah Johnson draft when that guy went from a late 1st round prospect in March to a top THREE possibility in April. Based on NOTHING. It was just draftheads talking themselves into him.

I truly believe that's what we're seeing here with Simmons.

I won't love the idea of taking him at 31, but I'd live with it. If we friggen trade UP to take that guy, In Veach We Trust my ass. His 1st round draft record is....fine. It's about what one would expect. McDuffie, Karlaftis and Worthy look like hits. FAU and MEH are likely misses. And when it comes to 'first selections' made in the 2nd round, you put Hardman and Speaks on there with Bolton. Again - pretty ordinary. Some good, some bad, some meh.

I will absolutely HOPE he works out. I'm most assuredly not going to just assume it.

Remember though - the run game, more than even the passing game, is a whole squad game.

A successful run requires more things to go right than a successful pass. A powerhouse team can do more to make a RB look amazing than any other position on the field.

That said, I worry more about that with Judkins than I do Henderson. I love Henderson's traits. Love his explosion, vision and balance. That's a little different than Judkins that I see as taking advantage of a powerful OL.

But....I can't see him being my favorite option on the board at 31.

Ohio St. is nowhere near as stacked as LSU was. LSU is one of the GOAT teams. Ohio St. only won a NC because of the playoff changes.

Let's be really generous here. I'll borrow your math and then goose it a bit.

As a rule, 1st round picks become starters about 1/2 the time. Let's go ahead and kick that up a bit for the sake of argument to 2/3 and give it 66%.

Now let's take your 1/5 get back to form and goose THAT to 1/4. Shit, let's make it 1/3 to make it sporting.

In that event, the combined probability of Simmons A) being a genuine starting caliber player prior to injury and B) getting BACK to that level is going to be about 22%.

So you have a 1 in 5 chance at that point even when pushing the sliders in Simmons favor. You know what that is? A 4th rounder -- maybe.

I mean there's no way to rationally look at this that makes sense. I mean even if you get stupid with the math and say "Okay, a healthy Simmons had a 75% chance of being a starting caliber LT and Patella injuries have about a 50% return rate" that's going to give you about a 37% shot at the guy being a starter. It's a blatant falsehood and it's STILL about the kind of success rate you'd expect from a mid to late 2nd.

I just do not like Simmons as a first rounder even a little bit. It ignores....everything.

Hope ain't a plan, fellas.

And Hope is all that people are doing when it comes to Josh Simmons.

They've gotta get a good player at 31, so if Henderson is that, whatever.

They can't have another shitbird first rounder though.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�� UPDATE ��<br><br>NFL teams aren&#39;t overly concerned about Josh Simmons’ recovery from the torn patellar tendon.<br><br>This might put him out of reach for the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>.<br><br>Per, <a href="https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JFowlerESPN</a>. <a href="https://t.co/DG0pEtPv05">pic.twitter.com/DG0pEtPv05</a></p>&mdash; Chiefs Blitz (@ChiefsBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsBlitz/status/1915015195832786996?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"Teams aren't overly concerned about an injury with a 20% recovery rate..."

Why the **** not?

Listening to Sirius XM draft show. Apparently Derrick Harmon has a lingering shoulder issue that may have him fall a bit.

Reported that more than 1 team suggested he get surgery to fix it

Yes, Clyde is a lot different player than Henderson. If the Chiefs were to take Henderson at 31, you'd get a lot of comparisons and complaints, but they're dumb.

And honestly, the same people complaining about getting him at 31 would be super on board with taking him at, say, 34 or 38, after a trade back that nets them a 4th round pick. Which in and of itself is kind of silly.

I think what surprised the team was how limiting Edwards-Helaires' height was to his receiving ability. You watch him in college and see the quickness and shiftiness just cooking LB on angle routes and flats... but his size really dropped that effectiveness at the NFL level. That, and the injury he suffered as rookie. He lost some burst after that, and didn't have enough to beging with to survive it.

I just wanted to say, that I have no response to these two posts. They are perfect.

Consider me James Carville in Old School. You're Frank the Tank and you just made a perfect, unassailable argument.

So lets get out ahead of this. If we take Henderson at 31...can we hold him to a Gibbs level or Bijan or no?

I mean, Gibbs went 12 and Bijan went 8th.

To get to 12 or 8 from 31 would take next years 1st and probably some change.

So...no.

Holding a guy to the standard of 2 guys who took roughly twice the draft capital to acquire seems...unfair.

Maybe they have access to his medicals, while the rest of us don't?

Oh no. Would be a shame if he lasted to 31.

God almighty, it's like you haven't read a thing over the last 2 months.

You know what we have access to right now? Two things, one rearward facing and one a snapshot.

1) The history of patella injuries says MAYBE 1 in 5 of them come back anywhere near the level they were at

2) Right now, this very second, Josh Simmons is doing squats that demonstrate he's essentially putting NO pressure on his left leg in his strength exercises.

So WHAT can that possibly tell us? What can 'the medicals' possibly show here that demonstrate ANYTHING? If they're silky smooth - no scar tissue and as clean as they can possibly be -- he's STILL only squatting 225 lbs (essentially a one-legged squat) so that 'healthy' knee isn't capable of demonstrating any sort of strength or legitimate explosion right now.

And we see it all the time with injuries. "Structurally sound" pitchers who's surgeries were complete successes and who's MRIs are completely clean just throw 6 mph slower than they used to. RBs and WRs who's imaging comes back spotless simply cannot cut and drive off the leg like they once did.

"Healthy" doens't mean "recovered"

And you cannot -- absolutely CANNOT -- determine recovered in any way a mere 6 mos after the injury. There is nothing at all the medicals can tell us apart from the fact that the surgery didn't fail.

So what? 90% of these surgeries don't fail and the player in question STILL doesn't make it all the way back.

It's reckless to the point of stupid to just handwaive everything we do know in favor of the idea that Brett Veach and/or the team doctors have some sort of prescience that allows them to just know that Josh Simmons will eventually beat the odds. Because prescience is what it will take -- there is zero way to know that with any degree of certainty right now.

Just grab a big fatty.

Last live PFF mock selected…….Tyler Booker.

Yeah **** off.

The patellar tendon tear seems to be to NFL and NBA athletes what thoracic outlet surgery is to a baseball pitcher/player. They can get healthy again, but they never have the same throwing power again.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is a very detailed medical update on top Ohio State offensive tackle Josh Simmons, who suffered a torn patellar tendon last season. <br><br>He and I spoke at length this week and this is what he shared…<a href="https://twitter.com/nflnetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nflnetwork</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/OhioStateFB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@OhioStateFB</a> <a href="https://t.co/53XcTjhrq4">pic.twitter.com/53XcTjhrq4</a></p>&mdash; StaceyDales (@StaceyDales) <a href="https://twitter.com/StaceyDales/status/1896301495567655419?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Maybe his injury is a partial tear and not nearly as bad. Sorry, but I'd rather go with what the doctor's say than some guy on CP.

https://atozsports.com/college-footb...-josh-simmons/

Easy answer: The Chiefs will pick a player that at least 3 CPers will immediately deem a complete disaster & then call for BV to be fired. Followed by other CPers making untoward comments about the 3’s female relatives. All part of the annual fun. I love you beautiful bastards. :)

Jonathan Taylor would be a more apt bar and realm of expectation for Henderson in that regard.

Yeah, if I'm to get on board with a RB in the first, you're gonna need him to be elite to be more valuable than even a what.....good DE?

Oh.

Well if you can't trust Simmons and his people, who can you trust...right?

The 'very detailed update' contained 30 seconds of actual information, all of which was secondhand and FROM Josh Simmons. Wow - so detailed.

Dudes are never optimistic, evasive and/or flat out dishonest during draft-season...

I repeat -- he's squatting 225 lbs right now. A month after that report, 225 lbs was what he was squatting after she raved about all the leg work he was doing in early March.

That's not "Trusting some guy on CP". It's simply putting facts to figures. Right now, as of the date of the draft, he's doing his squats on 1 leg. ****ing bang-up reporting from Stacy Dales there -- she obviously nailed it back in early March.

If you believe that's indicative of anything....well like I said, all the Simmons backers have right now is hope.

This is one of the most important drafts in Veach’s tenure. I get people say this every year but this is actually true this year.

Kelce is leaving soon. Chris will be declining soon. The 2022 draft window is closing.

This is really gonna be a draft of philosophy. Are the Chiefs going to continue being a defensive led team or will they go back to scoring again and having a competent defense?

Nobody loves Derrick Harmon more than me. I got a chub from that guy a week before the combine. But there are very good DT’s in rd 2 and 3. There will also be very good DE’s there too.

The defense today as it stands pre-draft is good. The draft itself is deep in our areas of need. The offense is not good and we’ve had issues with playmakers while our best one is about to ride off into the sunset.

I’m all in on Burden or a WR they love. I’m all in on Mason Taylor if they pick him. The drop between talent at 31 to 63 at those positions is pretty damn big, and this is coming from a Jalen Royals promoter.

They badly need to get this offense fixed. And if the board runs dry and you’re stuck with TreVeyon Henderson there, it would be a great pick bc he is head and shoulders above the rest of this class outside of Jeanty and would be a perfect fit here.

They have to help the offense. Help your QB. Stop relying on him to carry old, washed or bad football players every year.

Taylor was a better runner coming out than Henderson.

If the Chiefs doctors are ok with him, then I'm fine with Simmons. I'm sure Veach is not going to just rely on him and his agent in evaluating his medicals.

I could not agree more. In a defensive draft, I think our focus needs to be on the offense. Get us explosive playmakers at WR, RB, and TE, which for TEs, may come with spending your 1st on. IMO there are 4 TEs that move the needle. Go get one. Henderson and Burden/Egbuka would also be hard to walk away from as well.

Yeah -- I think Breece Hall may be more of a comp?

Was taken around pick 35, IIRC. Very early 2nd. More of an explosive offensive weapon type than a pure 'conventional' 3-down back.

And yeah, I think if you take a RB in the 1st, I don't think that's an unreasonable baseline for him.

Hall put up essentially 1,000 yards rushing and 600 yards receiving in 2023 behind a solid but unspectacular OL (and with obvious QB questions). Did roughly the same rates on lower usage in 2024.

I think you can reasonably ask for 1,500-1,600 yards from scrimmage and 275ish touches (rushing and receiving) from a 1st round RB.

And if you don't think he can give you that, or that you won't ASK him to give you that, you probably shouldn't be looking at Henderson in the 1st.

Regardless what we do Rice and Worthy are our playmakers. The offense is going to be as good as those guys are. Veech has it set up so if there is a impact player available he can take him. Whether offense or defense.

And by the way, if you want that TYPE of player, but don't want that level of volume, could I interest you in DJ Giddens?

I think if you're looking for a guy who just does McKinnon stuff but who you have no realistic expectation of giving 200+ carries to, just get Giddens in the 4th round.

Not because I think he is incapable of taking on about the same load as Henderson (he's not a tiny guy), but because your investment in him is so much less that you won't feel compelled to force said volume to justify the investment.

Kareem Hunt was asked to do more or less that in 2017 and 2018 before he got the boot for being a reerun. So Reid will give the right guy that workload.

With how Andy has handled rookie WR's the past 2 seasons, you'd expect much the same of a ramp up during the season if they draft a WR. Its not a bad thing, but instant production isn't likely. If they draft an elite back, its the quickest shot in the arm to elevate the offense, help the O-line, and it doesn't have to come via the first round.

My only qualm with Gidden's is he's a similar player to Pop.

My issue with Pop isn't the change of direction.

Hunt's wasn't spectacular.

It's the vision. Hunt was able to set up a block then hit a gap hard to get through, absorb a bit of contact and maintain his momentum while fighting for yards.

Pop just...doesn't see the hole. Or won't bother to set up a block.

Giddens seems better in that regard. If you average out the speed/vision of Pop and Hunt, you probably end up with something similar to Giddens. He won't have the vision of Hunt, but it'll be better than Pop. He'll be faster than Hunt but maybe won't carry quite the same load that Pacheco does.

The issue with Hunt and Pacheco is that both guys are so deficient in a single area (Pacheco's vision and Hunts burst) that neither guy presents a viable starting RB, IMO. Giddens doesn't have the glaring deficiencies in either of those areas.

Perfectly stated on all topics. For me, the answer is absolutely clear; you go balls deep on offensive talent in this draft. Right now, you have a top 10 defense without adding a single player. Hell, I'd argue we've already improved pretty significantly from last year. Adding Fulton allows McDuffie and Connor to move to their more natural positions, basically improving three crucial spots on D with one signing. You added Mike Edwards to help with the loss of Reid. The D is already pretty much set to roll.

I have had enough of watching the best QB in history try and scrape by with rejects and has beens. Yes, you have Worthy, Rice, Hollywood and Juju locked down, but there are still a lot of questions with 3 of those 4 guys injury wise, and Worthy could get snapped like a twig with one big hit as well. Don't even get me started on what we've provided as far as a running back room for him. We have a chance to possibly have the most complete roster of this entire dynasty if you add some real firepower on offense. With Rice and Worthy on rookie deals, if you add a workhorse back and replacement for Kelce (or another WR) you have stacked the deck for Pat for the next 3-4 years. It needs to be the priority. I'm fully focusing there in rounds 1 and 2, then use the two 3rds to add to the d-line and/or safety.

It will be interesting to see if they stick with the approach of BPA all the way, or if they recognize the opportunity to really grease the wheels to have an elite offense for the foreseeable future. I'm hoping they do.

I said it at the time he was drafted - Jonathan Taylor, like most Wisconsin RBs, had a lot of tread on his tires coming out of college b it shouldn't be surprising that he's injured a lot.

I said it in the draft forum. DJ Giddens game reminds me a lot of Damien Williams. He’s very elusive and almost always makes the first guy miss. He is also much better catching the ball as a receiver. He just didn’t do it that much in college.

Testing wise he’s comparable to Pop. Giddens is a good back, just not sure he’s a guy that greatly elevates the offense

That was always the major concern with Taylor.

He had almost 1,000 carries through three college seasons. Wisconsin rode him HARD.

If he'd have stayed for 4 years, he's almost certainly the all time NCAA leader in rush attempts.

And the guys on that list, for the most part, had very short careers at the next level. You go through the top 25 and you're looking at a whole bunch of guys who just never amounted to much, Tony Dorsett and Herschel Walker.

And Walker was just about washed by his 4th year in the league.

Dorsett is the only guy on that list who went to the NFL and had a long, productive career. Even in the entire top 50 you only add one more guy - LaDainian Tomlinson. And Tomlinson had fewer carries in 4 years (against lesser competition) at TCU than Taylor had in 3.

There just ain't gonna be a lot of miles left on his engine, IMO.

Taylor's already beaten the odds by having a productive 5th NFL season but it came in part due to the mileage kept off him over his two injury plagued seasons before it. He's much closer to the finish line than the starting gate...

Nor am I. Which is why I'm not saying take him in the 2nd round.

But as a 4th rounder (may have to take him at the back of 3, but I kinda doubt it with the depth of the RB class), he doesn't have to in order to be a really productive draft pick.

And it frees up that 1st rounder for a position you think might be more impactful.

Like I said -- it comes down more to your plan than anything. If you WANT a 225 carry, 75 catch back, I think you very strongly consider Henderson. That's right at the apex of what I think he can give you.

But if you intend to go with 125 carries and 50 catches while spreading the rest of that workload around, Giddens is a similar (but inferior) type of player to Henderson who would require far less investment.

So many people want a DT. I get that, but at the same time that’s not where the value is for us.

Josh Farmer
TJ Sanders
Vernon Broughton
Ty Robinson
Shemar Turner
Darius Alexander
Omar Norman-Lott

There will be good DT’s there for us at 63. There are also guys like Jordan Burch, Elijah Roberts, Jared Ivey and Barryn Sorrell who are DE’s but had very high pass rushing grades rushing inside on passing downs.

The Chiefs having 2 picks there at 63 and 66 makes it even better for us to attack offense in rd 1. The disparity between Harmon/Grant and the guys listed above is not that great. The disparity between the WR’s/TE’s available at 31 compared to 63 for us is pretty goddamn massive.

The Chiefs need to choose what philosophy they’re rolling with. With this draft I hope they take advantage of offense first.

That’s the only reference I’ve seen or heard to “double grafting” the tendon. Interesting. I wonder if that’s new or different from recent repairs.

Regardless, what I and others have been citing is the awful historical precedent here. I don’t need to be a doc or see scans to look at data. And the data is as bad as it can be.

Maybe he’s a unicorn or maybe this is a pioneering new approach that leads to better outcomes for those who get it.

But like DJ said … if he’s doing as well as he reported and so far ahead of schedule … why are his one-leg-squat numbers (and light ones for an nfl dude at that) being reported a month later like they’re a good sign?

Too much crossing the fingers and hoping on this dude for me. That report doesn’t change the equation.

It’s boring, but I trust Veatch on this…with his history. He’s been far from perfect, but I don’t know that there’s anyone else I trade him for.

The obvious needs, of course, are OT, DL, and I think TE (unless they’re sold on Wiley.) Good value and BPA at RB and possession WR, would be next in line. If he can fill 3-4 of those without trading back, I’d feel pretty good. If the value isn’t there, then trading back to pick up a fourth or fifth rounder, would make sense in this draft, especially.

Our needs match up nicely with the strength of this draft. Simmons drops, I think you have to take a chance, but you don’t go up and get him is it costs much at all. If Loveland Falls, you almost have to take a swing on him (tape reminds me of Kelce, big time.) Otherwise, if one of the OSU RBs or Kyle Johnson are available in the second round you take one of them. If they go receiver in the second, Higgins, Harris or Burden would be worth a go.

In the end, I think it’s OT or DL in the first. And then trust your board, from your pics at RB, WR or TE. Just my guess which doesn’t mean squat…LOL

This is a nothing burger

Gosh who was ranked 8-10 last season at WR




https://i.imgur.com/MB8lZpL.png

Can't find Fowler's tweet about it so this is BS