Yea, after seeing what Dan Moore got, this was clearly the best option. Stanley or Jackson would've been ideal, but they didn't even hit the market.

Some of those reps are pretty rough.. He’s going to have trouble with some of the AFC speed guys.. Doesn’t look any better than what Patrick has been dealing with where he has to bail out of the pocket….. Hopefully he gets better..

Fortunately Andy Heck is great at developing OTs and Patrick rarely holds the ball too long.

Just wait though.

Chief Fan will complain that Veach didn’t sign Stanley or Jackson as soon as Moore allows a sack.

Chief Fan swears Veach didn’t try to re-sign Orlando Brown Jr.

Yea, the whiny ****ing ****s tend to play revisionist history.

That's...exactly what Chiefs Fans will do.

LMAO LMAO

If you break down the numbers Moore would give up 37 pressures and 4 sacks in an entire season.

Chiefs Kingdumb already going in on this guy.

I see what you did there, you motor boating son of a bitch, you old sailor you!

Preferable to me to go with a cheaper upside guy like this. Could bottom out and be an issue for sure, but you also can get value. You sign a Ronnie Stanley at top of market, at best, you're equal value wise.

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You need to get your ****ing eyes checked if you don't think that's an improvement from the last couple of years. Sorry.

Seth Keysor is generally level headed and not a homer. He seems to like him. And I pray to God he’s right

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We still take a OT in our first 3 picks I think. Not hating on Moore, but this is a stopgap contract.

I don't think it's a stop gap, it's more of a prove it deal. A guy like Donovan Smith is a stopgap; this is a lottery ticket.

They would be thrilled beyond human comprehension if Moore ends up being the guy. They will fork over whatever it costs to retain him if he performs the way he might be able to. They are paying him like an NFL starting LT, and as long as he performs, I think the obvious plan is to keep doing so.

Kid just needs to go freaking do it.

This.

Agreed, it is a prove it deal. I think Veach is banking on there still being a bit more untapped potential as well. Keysor said on film he is an above average LT already so I think that explains the $15M per season.

If a premiere tackle WERE TO FALL to the Chiefs at #31 that would be very interesting, also I think Veach has a taste for WR now as he homered on Rashee and Worthy, so if a stud WR is sitting at #31 or any of the first three picks that would be interesting as well. Logically the Chiefs stock up on D in this draft, they have like one DT on the roster right now.

I'm in complete agreement with you. However, if we dont' take another tackle in the first 4 picks.. then he BETTER be our future at LT or I'm going to lose my shit! lol

I don't think the Chiefs have any intention of drafting a tackle at 31.

0.00% chance

Seth Keyser is almost ALWAYS a homer.

Unless your name is Nick Bolton. Then he hates you with the heat of 1,000 suns.

I don’t understand. Is this guy a super good catch to the point we risked tampering to get him? lol we’re other teams vying for this guy too?

You're so ****ing clueless and reeruned LMAO

Ppl have been arguing that late round left tackles almost never work. And we just laid a late round left tackle starting left tackle money. Much more than if we had drafted one in the first round.

Yes they just picked a random "late round LT" to pay starter money. It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he's looked liken solid starter when given the opportunity to start.

It's been days since he was signed, and you still have absolutely no clue.

I have to agree with you here, I’m not seeing anything all that special. Looks like the DE got plenty of pressure on the QB to me. Hoping he’s an ascending player that will make strides during his time in KC.

Picking at #31 isn’t likely to get us a Trent Williams type tho so I’m fine with what we’re doing.

We didn't risk tampering LMAO

Reminds me of another dude who was good, not great and wore 76.

https://www.si.com/.image/c_fill,w_1...anchisejpg.jpg

If this dude gives us Branden Albert level of play, Pat’s throwing for 5k again.

The guy has played competent snaps in an NFL game. You can't say that for any draft pick, regardless of pedigree. There's always a non-zero chance that a draft pick can't even give you competent. We just saw it last year.

Not a great draft profile on DraftBuzz, I always feel like they give every player a high score: https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...esternMichigan

Sure, and best case case he does.

But if he doesn't prove it, then I think technically it would still be a stop gap, hopefully.

A lottery is a WR3/4 you never throw to or some guy sitting on the bench. If he is sitting on the bench or leaving Patrick with happy feet, I think we'll call him a bust.

You could have just trusted me a month ago bro and hopped on the train. :p

I really do hope he works out. Keysor gives an accurate description that nothing looks great, just a lot of average to good stuff. But hey, when you have had a lot of shit, good looks pretty damn amazing.

Players mostly get better when they come to KC.

We're gonna be figuring out how to pay him in two years.

I like that he’s very light and more pass blocking frame etc. first time we’ve went with a light left tackle since eric fisher

Im happy with this guy, I believe hes the best fit we had a real shot at. Compensation is nice as well. Probably not the long term solution but who knows?

Not a big risk considering he is a competent LT already and seems to be ascending. The length of contract and salary amount insures we have a decent LT for this season without having to overpay a guy like Dan Moore.

This could also allow us to take one of the Late round LTs like Carson Vinson or Jaylen Travis! These guys look like freaks that need time to develop. I would be more than fine with one of these guys in round 4. They could have a year or two to figure it out. BOOM LTOTF!!

Trent Williams has been the best LT in the NFL for some time. Hopefully some of that rubbed off on Moore. :)

I disagree. His hand technique is utterly absurd! I'm sure that's what Veach, Reid and Co. saw as well.

Trying to be optimistic but this really seems like an overpay. We'll see.

PFF's grades on the two is interesting. Moore has graded out at 70+ the last two years. Taylor's highest grade is 63, his rookie season. Their pass blocking grades are close.

If he’s good next year you extend him

No. Heck sucks ass.

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Sure, if it all works out... But Thuney was an All Pro Guard. KC got much weaker at his spot. Is Kingsley the plan to replace him? He played one meaningless game at the position. I dont trust that guy to play anywhere. That whole side of the OL could be a work in progress.

Having said that, I like the signing. I think he was the best player available for what the Chiefs could realistically get.

Yeah, and we didn’t lock ourselves in with a desperate overpay situation. Which could have very easily happened.

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The mere fact that he used the term "go balls to the walls" in a sentence in an actual interview is enough to convince me he is the one.

I wouldn’t call it meaningless. Denver was playing its starters and trying to win. He went up against Zach Allen most of the game and did really well. That’s not meaningless

He also did well against the Ravens in week 1. One game isn't a great sample size. But guard is an easier position for him to play hopefully. He can't be much worse than Caliendo.

You know, it wasn't really all that great. It was just one game, with nothing on the line. No real game plan or anything. It was just straight up blocking, he got beat a couple times, held his own I guess you could say. He really wasn't asked to do much except fill a space. And I guess he did that.

But man, if you want to go with that, playing next to a new LT, then ok. Im still very concerned with that whole left side of the line now, not just LT. Whereas last year, I was just concerned with LT at this time.

Boy, you nailed it completely there. ONE game. I think that's part of my problem with anyone siting his performance the last game of the season in Denver as some huge measuring stick...
And, Caliendo has / had no business playing the position, for any length of time, at this level. Surely, Kingsley's got to be better than that.

Will I didn’t say it was a big sample size or the end all be all. I was just saying it wasn’t meaningless. The broncos definitely schemed and went for the win.

But hate on!!

One game, yes, against one of the best IDL in NFL in Allen. That absolutely means something.

That’s what I’m saying. It’s not a big sample. But it wasn’t meaningless. The broncos definitely schemed and were playing for their playoff spot. Has the starters go the whole way. So not meaningless.

Is he better than Caliendo? Let’s start there.

I say he is. Let’s see how much better he can be from there.

WBF.

I don't think Tex is wrong to question Kingsley. He had some good reps in that Broncos game but seem pretty average ones too.

BUT, Nourzad looked pretty damn nice at center. I think that will be his best position but I honestly think if Kingsley flames out, Nourzad might be a really solid Plan B. That's why I'm a little less concerned. Obviously it would require them to not just go back to Caliendo, and there are some...odd, personnel decisions from the Chiefs at times. But I think the current roster can give us adequate at LG. And I say that as someone who would've rather kept Thuney and traded Smith.

Exactly this

Nobody is questioning that. It was his meaningless reps comment

Did I miss the memo where it was decided that he was just a stop gap and we immediately have to pick his replacement? The first round OT conversations and mocks are just blowing my mind right now.

I think everyone hopes he seizes the opportunity and plays well enough to not have LT be a need.


But that hasn't happened yet.

Yeah but there's people wanting to draft an OT THIS year. I thought he'd get a year to prove himself before we even thought about a replacement. I get drafting one in the 3rd or so for competition, depth and development, but signing him AND drafting one in the first round makes absolutely no sense to me.

I think the organization still believes he will be fine. The big question is if Kingsly penciled in at LG, does anyone have faith that Wanya can backup LT if necessary. Besides finding anyone who could take over the LT or RT in the future is like hitting a homerun. Because both are going to be a position of need in the next year or two.

But hope is not a strategy. If there is a LT prospect they think can be the answer for the next decade (taking us though all of Mahomes final prime years) then do it.


And if Jaylon Moore hits AND we hit on another good tackle, we can use one at RT next year and move on from Jawaan Taylor.

There isn't. Time to move on.

If they draft a tackle I’d wager it’s one meant for the right side. Extremely weak left tackle class and needing to replace Taylor next year.

if they drafted an LT first and he didn't play his first season but then became a beast after his 2nd or 3rd year it would be well worth it. But that has to happen for it to be worth it.

We really have to redshirt a RT? A first rounder at that?

How did we have great offended with Wylie but now we're in the position to wildly overpay for Taylor AND use a first round pick on his replacement the year before he's cut.


The strategy for the OL just seems incredibly disorganized and like they're just throwing shit against the wall and hoping it sticks.

I don't want to misspeak as I didn't hear the entire conversation, but I caught a snippet of Tim Grunhard on Petro's show, and they were talking about what it would take to get the Chiefs to move up to 10 or 12. I didn't hear Tim's thoughts on who he predicted they took there, but Petro did make a point of saying Grey Zabel was Tim's first round wish (I believe).

If that is what they were trying to sell, then that prediction would smash every other bad idea for the Chiefs in the first round without breaking a sweat. Someone please tell me that they heard that segment, and that isn't what Petro and Grunhard were saying.

This draft looks deep so I actually think they should draft someone that is likely to be ready to contribute this year. The end of the 1st round is looking alright. FAU needs to put up this upcoming season, if he's ever going to be good and develop he needs to show it in his 3rd year. I don't particularly want a project again in the first 2 rounds, not in this draft.

At this point it is speculation on who the chiefs are looking at or have on their draft board. I doubt they believe there is more than 1 or 2 Tackles worth taking that have any hope of getting to 31. But I do believe LT and RT are going to be extremely costly if you do not find one this year or next in the draft. But it is a long shot an OL makes it to 31 who looks like a instant starter. I still think they probably go wr or DL

Did you just read somebody's guess of what the Chiefs might do then assume that it's the Chiefs strategy?

How exactly is anything the Chiefs have done so far with the OL "disorganized"?

Also, the Chiefs currently don't have a long term answer at either OT spot. Why would getting ahead of that be "throwing shit against the wall"?

Drafting an OT would allow us to get off the turd at RT after next season &/or provide insurance in case Moore doesn’t pan out.

But really I’m for BPA.

4 years after we "fixed" the O-line we have the highest paid guard/center combo in the league. Have the 4th highest paid RT in the league that we're eagerly waiting to get rid of. We're already planning contingencies for the guy we JUST signed that supposedly had potential to be our long term LT. And Kingsley is going to compete with Mike Caliendo for the LG spot.

Are we going to pretend that it's a stable position to be in?

The LT position the past year is kind of funny

We drafted a player that sucked so bad we had to replace him with his backup. The backup got injured and sucked so we replaced him with a street FA. The street FA got injured and sucked so bad we had to replace him with our LG. And our LG while playing admirably for being out of position was so bad we signed a free agent LT for 2 years 30mil. And now people are making plans for if he also sucks.

One can’t judge the plan in April before the draft. And even with the draft, sometimes the board falls to you and sometimes it doesn’t. Doesn’t imply anything is or was “disorganized.”

It’s not like the Chiefs operate in a simple one-dimensional world. It’s all based on the probabilities around the success of potential outcomes. That’s just the reality of building a team.

Some of Veach and Reid’s swings have hit and some have missed, but they are hardly “disorganized” in the way they’ve done anything. There’s a pretty logical course of thought behind everything and it’s rare they make some move like the the more mediocre teams and you’re left scratching your head as to why.

They were wrong on Kingsley’s ability to play LT. Sometimes that just happens and you only wind up in the SB rather than winning the SB.

Kinda funny indeed.

Shit happens.

I don't think everyone here is appreciative of just how difficult it is to play Left Tackle in the NFL at an above average level. It's really, really hard. Those guys are not easy to find, and almost impossible when you're drafting from a Super Bowl slot every year.

The FIRST time the OL screwed us in a Super Bowl, BOTH of our very good offensive tackles (including a former #1 overall pick) got hurt during the season. (Fisher in the AFCCG). Schwartz retired, and Fisher tried to come back but never played meaningful football again. Both were what...31?

I don't think it's fair to criticize the front office or coaching staff for that.

You could argue that they should have had a better plan C last year, but really, how many teams have a great plan C?

First off, you are trying to create a narrative about the entire OL. IOL has been great for a while, and even after losing Thuney, it should still be a plus. It's about OT.

The Chiefs were unfortunate enough to have both OTs fall apart the same exact season. They've been trying to fix both spots long term ever since.

Taylor was obviously supposed to be one of those long term solutions, and in terms of a 3-4 year run/window, he was a solution, but he is absolutely overpaid. He's been fine when it matters most, so besides being overpaid, don't see the issue. The reason you're replacing him next year is to get cheaper there and he's approaching 30.

I don't know what it is with people like you and trying to create narratives about the team's personnel moves, but it's not even remotely complicated or confusing.

well, casual fans only notice the OL when they give up a sack or get a penalty. Taylor's given up a lot of penalties, but he has played fairly well other than that.

Overpay? Well, didn't have much choice.

Obj doing whatever he did kinda ****ed the whole thing

yes he did.