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Urc Burry 04-10-2025 12:14 PM

Judkins is still my guy, but I’m thinking he’s going to be picked closer to pick 31 than 63.

I am now putting all my eggs in the Devin Neal basket. Was a little off of him after the combine, but after seeing his combine performance being identical to Kamara’s I’m back on being convinced he’s the best bang for your buck guy

JPH83 04-10-2025 02:26 PM

Also love the Brashard Smith option slightly later in the draft, and I really like Hunter. Picked him for the Panthers in the CP mock.

RunKC 04-13-2025 09:34 AM

This guy is probably the most Andy Reid RB in this entire draft. He feels very Chiefsy. Matt Miller has this guy as a 2nd day pick.

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Strengths
-Eludes early traffic to give the run a chance.
-Runs with good bend and balance through the line.
-Makes smooth transitions to cut and accelerate.
-Sets up open-field tacklers to miss on sweeps and tosses.
-Quick, soft hands catch everything in their vicinity.
-Stacks yards after catch with wiggle and field vision.
-Sorts through blitzes and twists like a champ in pass pro.

Outstanding hands, 2nd best 10 split, 5th best 40, lateral agile toy, YAC.

Yeah. This guy is the best of the RB’s for this scheme it seems

Cooter Bailey 04-13-2025 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 18026066)
I’m 100% with you two! My top preference would be to take a lead back in Henderson and trade Pachecco, but Smith is my favorite complimentary back in the draft. He’d be the perfect gadget player for Andy and McKinnon replacement for Pat!

Trade Pacheco? For what? He has zero trade value.

Chris Meck 04-13-2025 10:55 AM

nobody is trading FOR Pacheco. Stop the madness!

staylor26 04-13-2025 11:20 AM

Run has gone through every back in the class at this point LMAO

3 on this page alone LMAO

Etienne is a good one though. Could be a great value on day 3.

RunKC 04-13-2025 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18028191)
Run has gone through every back in the class at this point LMAO

3 on this page alone LMAO

Etienne is a good one though. Could be a great value on day 3.

It will be very hard for anybody to bitch about any RB or DL from this class bc it’s just that good. There’s too many good ones at worst.

I’ve got some I don’t really like all that much. Bayshul Tuten for example is a guy I just don’t care for that much and prefer many other similar type of backs before him.

But even I wouldn’t be mad if we drafted him in the 6th rd or later bc of the value.

Bowser 04-13-2025 11:49 AM

I tried looking up some vids on Etienne's pass blocking but could only find a single video talking about it, but the timeline is before the start of the last college season. FWIW, the guys talking weren't high on that part of his game.

https://youtube.com/shorts/SNIc3txRw...eZ0ZuqEB-IH78z

CatfishBob2 04-13-2025 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18028194)
It will be very hard for anybody to bitch about any RB or DL from this class bc it’s just that good. There’s too many good ones at worst.

I’ve got some I don’t really like all that much. Bayshul Tuten for example is a guy I just don’t care for that much and prefer many other similar type of backs before him.

But even I wouldn’t be mad if we drafted him in the 6th rd or later bc of the value.


6th round? Exactly what is the knock for you? No way in hell he goes that late btw

RunKC 04-14-2025 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CatfishBob2 (Post 18028359)
6th round? Exactly what is the knock for you? No way in hell he goes that late btw

Fumble issues (9 the last 2 years), drop issues (9.4% drop rate), isn’t that great as a receiving back. Not that fluid there to me which is vital in this offense, elite straight line speed but not that great of lateral agility or elusiveness and his start/stop explosion is pretty average. His pro comp on NFL.com is Pacheco and that actually seems like a good comp.

Won’t knock him much for pass protection bc most of these backs need to work on that.

I think guys like Brashard Smith, Jaydon Blue, Trevor Etienne, RJ Harvey, DJ Giddens and Dylan Sampson can play his role better but that’s just my view.

CatfishBob2 04-14-2025 10:24 AM

So you haven't seen him play. That's understandable. There's a lot of guys I haven't seen. DJ Giddens is a guy I'm sour on. Good runner but the word is he's not great in pass pro and I'm seen some horrendous drops on tape. But he's a Kansas guy so I'm sure you've seen more games than I have (I think I watched one game of theirs last year).

I'm a VT fan and watched every game of Tutens at North Carolina A&T. To me he's what we hoped CEH would be. He's probably not a three down back but still a one cut guy with elite explosion. I wouldn't be surprised if he burst out like Chase Brown did for the Bengals last season

Otter 04-14-2025 12:17 PM

If TreVeyon Henderson drops past the 1st round I'm willing to bet naked pics of billee that Veach pulls some trade magic with the 1st round pick and goes after him in the 2nd.

Couch-Potato 04-14-2025 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otter (Post 18029266)
If TreVeyon Henderson drops past the 1st round I'm willing to bet naked pics of billee that Veach pulls some trade magic with the 1st round pick and goes after him in the 2nd.

This is the hail marry play I’m hoping for also

staylor26 04-14-2025 06:34 PM

Oh yea baby

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source: Miami RB Damien Martinez is visiting the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> today and tomorrow. He has also visited the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cowboys?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cowboys</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Dolphins?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Dolphins</a>.<br><br>A big, physical back at 6-0, 217 pounds, Martinez - who just turned 21 - averaged 6.2 YPC last season with 10 TDs and clocked a solid 4.51 40-time. <a href="https://t.co/QaLuNeQ1VZ">pic.twitter.com/QaLuNeQ1VZ</a></p>&mdash; Jordan Schultz (@Schultz_Report) <a href="https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/1911853608863506624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 14, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

staylor26 04-14-2025 06:41 PM

Might as well post some FAP material:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Miami RB Damien Martinez is pretty fun <a href="https://t.co/QYclM1Anuh">pic.twitter.com/QYclM1Anuh</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Harms (@InHarmsWay19) <a href="https://twitter.com/InHarmsWay19/status/1856048378079260789?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 11, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That lateral agility at his size is pretty insane.

kccrow 04-14-2025 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18029138)
Fumble issues (9 the last 2 years), drop issues (9.4% drop rate), isn’t that great as a receiving back. Not that fluid there to me which is vital in this offense, elite straight line speed but not that great of lateral agility or elusiveness and his start/stop explosion is pretty average. His pro comp on NFL.com is Pacheco and that actually seems like a good comp.

Won’t knock him much for pass protection bc most of these backs need to work on that.

I think guys like Brashard Smith, Jaydon Blue, Trevor Etienne, RJ Harvey, DJ Giddens and Dylan Sampson can play his role better but that’s just my view.

Jaydon Blue has worse fumble issues, especially on a per-carry basis. I'd cross him off the list, personally.

RJ Harvey is absolutely atrocious in blitz pickup/pass block, so that might limit his 3rd down appeal for Reid. I like him a lot, overall.

I like Etienne and Sampson the most in this group. I just hope Sampson doesn't end up with constant nagging hammies, and I hope Etienne isn't as volume-limited as he was in college if one of them ends up in KC.

Brashard Smith still looks more WR than RB to me but maybe he'll continue to develop.

CatfishBob2 04-14-2025 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18029652)
Might as well post some FAP material:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Miami RB Damien Martinez is pretty fun <a href="https://t.co/QYclM1Anuh">pic.twitter.com/QYclM1Anuh</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Harms (@InHarmsWay19) <a href="https://twitter.com/InHarmsWay19/status/1856048378079260789?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 11, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That lateral agility at his size is pretty insane.

Good stuff. I know 7's teammates had fun with him after that one

RunKC 04-14-2025 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18029652)
Might as well post some FAP material:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Miami RB Damien Martinez is pretty fun <a href="https://t.co/QYclM1Anuh">pic.twitter.com/QYclM1Anuh</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Harms (@InHarmsWay19) <a href="https://twitter.com/InHarmsWay19/status/1856048378079260789?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 11, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That lateral agility at his size is pretty insane.

Outside of Henderson and Judkins, I think Martinez has everything they want which is why he’s going to be really high on their board. He’s extremely well rounded as a 3 down back.

Size, strength, 2nd to Jeanty is yards after contract, contact balance, pass protection potential (was reportedly excellent there at the Sr Bowl), elusive and is a good receiver.

I don’t follow Miami football so I was surprised that they lined him up at WR often. He’s got really insane lateral agility for a guy that big as you noted.

There’s a shit load of RB’s in this class and very few of them can do everything day 1. This kid is one of the few who can.

RunKC 04-16-2025 08:55 AM

Final thoughts and rankings on RB’s. These are ranked in order. Ideally we get 2. A 3 down well rounded back to start and a really good elusive back with speed that can be a change of pace and do screens/line up at WR some and do kickoff returns now that they are being forced to return them.

*Ashton Jeanty excluded for obvious reasons

The best
TreVeyon Henderson

2nd rd
Omarion Hampton
Quinshon Judkins

Rd 3
Brashard Smith
DJ Giddens

Damien Martinez
Trevor Etienne

Rd 4
RJ Harvey
Devin Neal
Dylan Sampson
Jaydon Blue

Rd 5
Cam Skattebo
Bayshul Tuten
LeQuint Allen
Jarquez Hunter


Late rd 6 and 7
Ollie Gordon
Marcus Yarns
Jacory Croskey-Merritt
Micah Bernard

Highlighted are my favorite fits for us. Those are my top 3 and I love what they bring to this team.

Brashard Smith is my 2nd favorite option after TreVeyon Henderson. His start/stop explosion is special and reminds me of Tyreek Hill’s, he’s got good long speed, good vision and is an excellent receiving threat since he was a former WR. He’s everything we hoped Clyde would be.

Favorite late rd option is Ollie Gordon. Massive steal if he’s taken after the 5th. Was a top 100 pick last year if not for his program getting worse and literally asking him to carry the entire ****ing program on his back this year. 3 down back who lead CFB in rushing and was 2nd in rushing TD’s in 2023.

Anyway. Tear it down fellas!

Dunerdr 04-16-2025 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18030969)
Final thoughts and rankings on RB’s. These are ranked in order. Ideally we get 2. A 3 down well rounded back to start and a really good elusive back with speed that can be a change of pace and do screens/line up at WR some and do kickoff returns now that they are being forced to return them.

*Ashton Jeanty excluded for obvious reasons

The best
TreVeyon Henderson

2nd rd
Omarion Hampton
Quinshon Judkins

Rd 3
Brashard Smith
DJ Giddens

Damien Martinez
Trevor Etienne

Rd 4
RJ Harvey
Devin Neal
Dylan Sampson
Jaydon Blue

Rd 5
Cam Skattebo
Bayshul Tuten
LeQuint Allen
Jarquez Hunter


Late rd 6 and 7
Ollie Gordon
Marcus Yarns
Jacory Croskey-Merritt
Micah Bernard

Highlighted are my favorite fits for us. Those are my top 3 and I love what they bring to this team.

Brashard Smith is my 2nd favorite option after TreVeyon Henderson. His start/stop explosion is special and reminds me of Tyreek Hill’s, he’s got good long speed, good vision and is an excellent receiving threat since he was a former WR. He’s everything we hoped Clyde would be.

Favorite late rd option is Ollie Gordon. Massive steal if he’s taken after the 5th. Was a top 100 pick last year if not for his program getting worse and literally asking him to carry the entire ****ing program on his back this year. 3 down back who lead CFB in rushing and was 2nd in rushing TD’s in 2023.

Anyway. Tear it down fellas!

Man I really like the players in the 2/3 groups. The draftubator in me doesn't want to take running back that high but the fan in me sure as hell does.

kccrow 04-16-2025 09:33 AM

Good stuff Run.

This is how I kind of have them packaged...

Every Down Backs
Ashton Jeanty - Rd 1
Omarion Hampton - Rd 2
Quinshon Judkins - Rd 2
Kaleb Johnson - Rd 2-3
Jordan James - Rd 3
Damien Martinez - Rd 3
Cam Skattebo - Rd 3-4
Devin Neal - Rd 4-5
Woody Marks - Rd 5
Ollie Gordon - Rd 5
Raheim Sanders - Rd 6

Explosive/3rd Down Backs
TreVeyon Henderson - Rd 1-2
Dylan Sampson - Rd 2-3
Trevor Etienne - Rd 3-4
Bhayshul Tuten - Rd 4
Breshard Smith - Rd 4-5
Jaydon Blue - Rd 5-6
Donovan Edwards - Rd 6-7
Markus Yarns - Rd 6-7

Committee Contributors
RJ Harvey - Rd 3-4
Jarquez Hunter - Rd 4
DJ Giddens - Rd 4
LeQuint Allen - Rd 5-6
Kyle Monangai - Rd 5-6
Jacory Croskey-Merritt - Rd 5-6
Tahj Brooks - Rd 6
Kalel Mullings - Rd 6-7
Montrell Johnson Jr - Rd 6-7
Phil Mafah - Rd 7
Corey Kiner - Rd 7

I prefer a guy from that Explosive/3rd Down Back tier

Dunerdr 04-16-2025 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18031011)
Good stuff Run.



I prefer a guy from that Explosive/3rd Down Back tier

That's surely the sexiest group. But anyone in the top half of that every down group would be okay with me. I'd be alright with the rest at the right spot. But this offense really needs an explosive runner in my opinion.

Bowser 04-17-2025 07:54 AM

Just picture one of Treyveon Henderson, Trevor Etienne, Bhayshul Tuten, or RJ Harvey lined up next to Mahomes in shotgun with Worthy and Rice out wide, Kelce on the line, and Hollywood in the slot.

https://media.tenor.com/W6rM3OJDZUgA...ndysamberg.gif

Dante84 04-17-2025 02:39 PM

Veach came out and said we will be taking a RB in the draft lol.... so everyone pick your fave.

Rounds 3-5 most likely.

Dunerdr 04-17-2025 03:32 PM

Man I’ve spent all day thinking today was the draft. ****! Been sneaking in mocks between work emails.

Where’s every one at on Kaleb Johnson?

Snerd 04-17-2025 03:46 PM

I think Veach will go for a RB at pick 95 or 133, barring some kind of trade. Martinez might be the best choice in that area. Based on the mock drafts I've done (for what little that's worth), he's nearly always available at 95, but only available at 133 maybe 1/3 of the time. Getting him at 133 would be great, but if they really want him they may have to take him at 95 (or trade up from 133).

MahomesMagic 04-17-2025 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18025680)
We found it guys. We found the prospect that is the best of Pacheco and Kareem.

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That's my late round RB idea.





Jarquez Hunter.






<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How good might Auburn RB Jarquez Hunter be in the NFL?<br><br>🔸 32% avoided tackle rate (RB5)<br>🔹 4.10 yards after contact per rush (RB9)<br>🔸 22.6% of runs went for 10+ yards (RB2)<br><br>(2024 data - out of 25 RB prospects) <a href="https://t.co/vwNYvMUgjm">pic.twitter.com/vwNYvMUgjm</a></p>&mdash; Jacob Gibbs (@jagibbs_23) <a href="https://twitter.com/jagibbs_23/status/1913009635289604481?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

duncan_idaho 04-18-2025 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 18032581)
Man I’ve spent all day thinking today was the draft. ****! Been sneaking in mocks between work emails.

Where’s every one at on Kaleb Johnson?

I'm out, so far out.

Don't think he's fast enough, I don't think his YAC skills translate to the NFL, and there are a lot of guys who fit what KC does better.

staylor26 04-18-2025 01:49 PM

Have to say, been really intrigued by this guy lately:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jacory Croskey-Merritt nasty feet &amp; seamless reaccel <a href="https://t.co/qwumk874TZ">pic.twitter.com/qwumk874TZ</a></p>&mdash; JetPack Galileo (@JetPackGalileo) <a href="https://twitter.com/JetPackGalileo/status/1912873653147988025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

SAGA45 04-19-2025 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18033563)
Have to say, been really intrigued by this guy lately:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jacory Croskey-Merritt nasty feet &amp; seamless reaccel <a href="https://t.co/qwumk874TZ">pic.twitter.com/qwumk874TZ</a></p>&mdash; JetPack Galileo (@JetPackGalileo) <a href="https://twitter.com/JetPackGalileo/status/1912873653147988025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Palangi's guy.. Intriguing indeed.

kccrow 04-19-2025 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAGA45 (Post 18034160)
Palangi's guy.. Intriguing indeed.

Check out the date and the Round 7 projection in this one. :P

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=351425

SAGA45 04-20-2025 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18034502)
Check out the date and the Round 7 projection in this one. :P

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=351425

Invalid. Precedes my give-a-damn activation date for pre-draft discussion. :D

kccrow 04-20-2025 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAGA45 (Post 18035042)
Invalid. Precedes my give-a-damn activation date for pre-draft discussion. :D

LOL, right! :D I thought he was going to declare last year, was full-on ready to pound the table on him, and then he went and transferred. I had to wait a whole year, and now I'm just like, well, whatever because there are about 20 other RBs I like too.

SAGA45 04-20-2025 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18035046)
LOL, right! :D I thought he was going to declare last year, was full-on ready to pound the table on him, and then he went and transferred. I had to wait a whole year, and now I'm just like, well, whatever because there are about 20 other RBs I like too.

No doubt he regrets the decision not to come out last year given this insane RB class. Where would he have been taken had he declared in '24?

Jerm 04-20-2025 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otter (Post 18029266)
If TreVeyon Henderson drops past the 1st round I'm willing to bet naked pics of billee that Veach pulls some trade magic with the 1st round pick and goes after him in the 2nd.

Why not……just take him at 31? If he can go 36 or 38, you can pick him at 31.

He is THE perfect fit, I know the class is deep…there are levels to this and none of them fit our offense and what we need better.

I’m not even convinced he’ll make 31 at this point but if he did, I’m good there esp. if the board falls the way I think it will.

He’s exactly the type of player Veach swings for too, I can see it.

Coogs 04-20-2025 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18033563)
Have to say, been really intrigued by this guy lately:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jacory Croskey-Merritt nasty feet &amp; seamless reaccel <a href="https://t.co/qwumk874TZ">pic.twitter.com/qwumk874TZ</a></p>&mdash; JetPack Galileo (@JetPackGalileo) <a href="https://twitter.com/JetPackGalileo/status/1912873653147988025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What's up with his 3-cone and Shuttle times? They almost don't make sense.

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...B-AlabamaState

RunKC 04-26-2025 04:38 PM

Brashard Smith fans take a bow!

Couch-Potato 04-26-2025 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18046954)
Brashard Smith fans take a bow!

:clap:

farmerchief 04-26-2025 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18046954)
Brashard Smith fans take a bow!

I looked at him later in the draft, he's got speed. Should be able to fill the 3rd down role, but he probably needs to work on his pass pro. But, he's young, so depends on his work eithic. I watched that interview with Kay Adams, seems to be kind of a humble guy, so with 7th round, he sure was worth a shot.

Dunerdr 04-26-2025 08:38 PM

Kid has electric highlights other than his KY Jelly hands. I don’t know his fumble numbers but the ball is moving around a lot in his best film.

Love the athleticism but let’s get on the Kareem Hunt ball handling plan.

tmax63 04-27-2025 12:45 PM

You'd probably have KY hands too if you was talking to Kay Adams


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