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PHOG 12-29-2024 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 17882455)
Terry Bradshaw during highlights of the Eagles Cowboys game just said "Kenny Pickett of the Cowboys in for Jalen Hurts who is out with ribs".

Holy shit dude.

He's beyond gone. So is Jimmie Johnson.

Easy 6 12-29-2024 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 17882455)
Terry Bradshaw during highlights of the Eagles Cowboys game just said "Kenny Pickett of the Cowboys in for Jalen Hurts who is out with ribs".

Holy shit dude.

Yep so pathetic, yet I read earlier this week that Fox is aware of the growing calls from fans to shitcan him, but they're doubling down on him anyway

displacedinMN 12-29-2024 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 17882461)
Yep so pathetic, yet I read earlier this week that Fox is aware of the growing calls from fans to shitcan him, but they're doubling down on him anyway

He was awful at the SB last year. he needs to go.


Never been a fan

RaidersOftheCellar 12-29-2024 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 17882426)
Bengals just one Miami loss and one Wentz win away from a Bills WC matchup

It’s not like you’re just swapping Wentz for Mahomes. The JV will most likely lose by 20+ points.

siberian khatru 12-29-2024 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17882451)
The only concern for Chiefs should be protecting their players from injury. Hell, I would do kneel-down plays every snap in that game. Spags' defense should sit back and let Denver walk down the field. Avoid contact, avoid injuries (even for backups). Keep EVERYONE healthy, including backups.

Romo and Nantz were worried the Chiefs would take too much time off. They said Bills were in ideal position to rest next week and play week after week— apparently ignoring the fact that means the Bills HAVE TO WIN AN ADDITIONAL PLAYOFF GAME THE CHIEFS DON’T.

DRM08 12-29-2024 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 17882446)
I want Buffalo out

I'm more confident against Buffalo than Cincy, mainly because Andy & Mahomes seem to own McDermott's defense in these Playoff games. Lou Anarumo seems to give KC a hard time. Trey Hendrickson is probably a better pass rusher than anyone from Buffalo. This is the sequence I want to see:

1. Buffalo wins a 6 Overtime slugfest against Bengals
2. Buffalo & Baltimore have a 6 Overtime slugfest. Don't care who wins it.
3. Chiefs end up hosting a worn out Buffalo or Baltimore in AFC title game.

siberian khatru 12-29-2024 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 17882461)
Yep so pathetic, yet I read earlier this week that Fox is aware of the growing calls from fans to shitcan him, but they're doubling down on him anyway

That entire crew needs to be retired. The youngest guy there is Strahan

displacedinMN 12-29-2024 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 17882464)
Romo and Nantz were worried the Chiefs would take too much time off. They said Bills were in ideal position to rest next week and play week after week— apparently ignoring the fact that means the Bills HAVE TO WIN AN ADDITIONAL PLAYOFF GAME THE CHIEFS DON’T.

Tell me Andy wont give them the Camp treatment for a few days in the next three weeks.

Marcellus 12-29-2024 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 17882468)
Tell me Andy wont give them the Camp treatment for a few days in the next three weeks.

Oh yea this is a mini TC in the works.

carcosa 12-29-2024 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Azide22 (Post 17882412)
Drew Lock: 17-22 309 yds, 4 TDs

Drew Lock is going to be a PROBLEM

DRM08 12-29-2024 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 17882464)
Romo and Nantz were worried the Chiefs would take too much time off. They said Bills were in ideal position to rest next week and play week after week— apparently ignoring the fact that means the Bills HAVE TO WIN AN ADDITIONAL PLAYOFF GAME THE CHIEFS DON’T.

If the Bengals sneak in, there is a very real chance they will defeat Buffalo in the wild card round.

notorious 12-29-2024 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 17882463)
It’s not like you’re just swapping Wentz for Mahomes. The JV will most likely lose by 20+ points.

No way.

PHOG 12-29-2024 03:24 PM

FOX saying Jimmy Carter passed away this afternoon.

displacedinMN 12-29-2024 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PHOG (Post 17882481)
FOX saying Jimmy Carter passed away this afternoon.

yup, see that too.

Twitter too

RaidersOftheCellar 12-29-2024 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 17882479)
No way.

Denver’s been blowing out mediocre/bad teams all year, and it took a blocked FG to beat them in Arrowhead. Unless Andy plays most of the starting defense the whole game, I’m not how this will be close.

St. Patty's Fire 12-29-2024 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 17882487)
Denver’s been blowing out mediocre/bad teams all year, and it took a blocked FG to beat them in Arrowhead. Unless Andy plays most of the starting defense the whole game, I’m not how this will be close.

they have all the pressure and the backups have zero pressure. and andy reid is still the head coach

rfaulk34 12-29-2024 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 17882439)
Almost 70% of Allens TD passes and half his rushing TDS have come against teams below .500

While Jackson has only just under 40% of TD passes and 20% of his Rushing TDs are against teams below .500

Sent from my Pixel 9 Pro using Tapatalk

OH! Now do Burrow!

displacedinMN 12-29-2024 03:30 PM

Vikes D gets a fumble recovery. That is their strong point--the D

Easy 6 12-29-2024 03:30 PM

Wow Josh Jacobs finally looks mortal with a fumble

Sassy Squatch 12-29-2024 03:33 PM

Colts fans taking it well LMAO

displacedinMN 12-29-2024 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17882499)
Colts fans taking it well LMAO

please explain

KC_Connection 12-29-2024 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 17882463)
It’s not like you’re just swapping Wentz for Mahomes. The JV will most likely lose by 20+ points.

Maybe, maybe not. I just watched a Giants team that should have been tanking scoring 45 points on a team playing for their playoff lives. Such is the NFL.

Mecca 12-29-2024 03:35 PM

Dude on the Dolphins named Storm Duck, cmon that ain't a real name.

KC_Connection 12-29-2024 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17882466)
I'm more confident against Buffalo than Cincy, mainly because Andy & Mahomes seem to own McDermott's defense in these Playoff games. Lou Anarumo seems to give KC a hard time. Trey Hendrickson is probably a better pass rusher than anyone from Buffalo. This is the sequence I want to see:

1. Buffalo wins a 6 Overtime slugfest against Bengals
2. Buffalo & Baltimore have a 6 Overtime slugfest. Don't care who wins it.
3. Chiefs end up hosting a worn out Buffalo or Baltimore in AFC title game.

Josh Allen is better than Burrow and the Bills defense is much better than the Bengals defense. I want them out.

Why Not? 12-29-2024 03:37 PM

Jesus. Dolphins are going to lose also, aren’t they? 95% of NFL games will literally be worthless next week. I mean the only two games that will matter is Bengals vs Pitt and our backups vs Denver. Hahah. What a shit product most of the NFL is

Sassy Squatch 12-29-2024 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 17882500)
please explain

The **** do you need explained?!? They just gave up 45 points to a bottom 5 team and got themselves eliminated from playoff contention. That entire city wants to hang, draw, and quarter Ballard and Bradley right now.

wazu 12-29-2024 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 17882509)
What a shit product most of the NFL is

A shit product? Disagree. Greatest sport there is, and greatest league there is. And we have the greatest team there is. The NFL is awesome.

Why Not? 12-29-2024 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17882514)
A shit product? Disagree. Greatest sport there is, and greatest league there is. And we have the greatest team there is. The NFL is awesome.

Hence the word “most”

KC_Connection 12-29-2024 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 17882509)
Jesus. Dolphins are going to lose also, aren’t they? 95% of NFL games will literally be worthless next week. I mean the only two games that will matter is Bengals vs Pitt and our backups vs Denver. Hahah. What a shit product most of the NFL is

They should put Wentz on SNF

Rain Man 12-29-2024 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 17882509)
Jesus. Dolphins are going to lose also, aren’t they? 95% of NFL games will literally be worthless next week. I mean the only two games that will matter is Bengals vs Pitt and our backups vs Denver. Hahah. What a shit product most of the NFL is

I think it's a negative unexpected outcome of moving to a 17 game season. We're much more likely to have meaningless games in week 17 as teams clinch divisions in Weeks 15 and 16.

Why Not? 12-29-2024 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 17882520)
I think it's a negative unexpected outcome of moving to a 17 game season. We're much more likely to have meaningless games and week 17 as teams clinch divisions in Weeks 15 and 16.

Good point. I agree

Why Not? 12-29-2024 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 17882518)
They should put Wentz on SNF

That would be hilarious and glorious at the same time.

displacedinMN 12-29-2024 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17882512)
The **** do you need explained?!? They just gave up 45 points to a bottom 5 team and got themselves eliminated from playoff contention. That entire city wants to hang, draw, and quarter Ballard and Bradley right now.

I thought fans were revolting in the stands. Or tearing things up. Sadly disappointed.

Bearcat 12-29-2024 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17882514)
A shit product? Disagree. Greatest sport there is, and greatest league there is. And we have the greatest team there is. The NFL is awesome.

Show me the awesomeness...
https://www.espn.com/nfl/scoreboard

Broncos/Bengals (didn't watch it, so I'm only guessing)
And then, uh....

KC_Connection 12-29-2024 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 17882524)
That would be hilarious and glorious at the same time.

It’ll probably be Lions/Vikings if that game is for the division but it’s honestly not impossible

displacedinMN 12-29-2024 03:48 PM

Vikes miss a 58 yard FG.....hits the crossbar

rfaulk34 12-29-2024 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 17882509)
Jesus. Dolphins are going to lose also, aren’t they? 95% of NFL games will literally be worthless next week. I mean the only two games that will matter is Bengals vs Pitt and our backups vs Denver. Hahah. What a shit product most of the NFL is

Ever watch the NFL before? That's how all last weekends go. A couple teams clinching divisions and a couple teams trying to get that last playoff spot.

RINGLEADER 12-29-2024 03:49 PM

This Miami Cleveland game is a barn burner.

St. Patty's Fire 12-29-2024 03:50 PM

yeah i would've gone for it there

displacedinMN 12-29-2024 03:50 PM

Drake-NWMSU part 2 men win by 20. How they are not ranked is beyond me.

alas-I digress to football.

St. Patty's Fire 12-29-2024 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17882536)
Show me the awesomeness...
https://www.espn.com/nfl/scoreboard

Broncos/Bengals (didn't watch it, so I'm only guessing)
And then, uh....

this is the end of every season, idk why people are acting like this is anything new. most of the games by the last few weeks are tire fires, then there's like 2 or 3 insane games.

displacedinMN 12-29-2024 03:51 PM

Only one game on here. But I did not pay for Sunday ticket again this year.

Rain Man 12-29-2024 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17882536)
Show me the awesomeness...
https://www.espn.com/nfl/scoreboard

Broncos/Bengals (didn't watch it, so I'm only guessing)
And then, uh....

I guess you could call the Bengals Broncos game entertaining, but it was a long way from great football.

Why Not? 12-29-2024 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17882542)
Ever watch the NFL before? That's how all last weekends go. A couple teams clinching divisions and a couple teams trying to get that last playoff spot.

**** yourself, chump. You only think it’s a good thing because your trash team benefits from the suckage

notorious 12-29-2024 03:55 PM

Green Bay is the better overall team IMO.

Two very evenly matched clubs.

KC_Connection 12-29-2024 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 17882557)
Green Bay is the better overall team IMO.

Two very evenly matched clubs.

I think GB could sneakily be the best team in the NFC, they’re certainly much more well rounded than Detroit anyway

wazu 12-29-2024 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17882536)
Show me the awesomeness...
https://www.espn.com/nfl/scoreboard

Broncos/Bengals (didn't watch it, so I'm only guessing)
And then, uh....

Guess I don't measure the league's overall awesomeness by the Week 17 box scores. The NFL offers a level playing field to all 32 teams. Some franchises seize that opportunity while others do not/cannot. The vast majority of betting lines are low to medium single digits, so it's at least generally pretty competitive. Most weeks contain multiple wild games that end with high drama. I love it. And I loved it back when my team was awful. Just seems like the opposite of anything even resembling a "shit product".

rfaulk34 12-29-2024 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 17882552)
**** yourself, chump. You only think it’s a good thing because your trash team benefits from the suckage

https://media1.tenor.com/m/ET9__w0C-...bow-bowing.gif

Why Not? 12-29-2024 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17882561)
Guess I don't measure the league's overall awesomeness by the Week 17 box scores. The NFL offers a level playing field to all 32 teams. Some franchises seize that opportunity while others do not/cannot. The vast majority of betting lines are low to medium single digits, so it's at least generally pretty competitive. Most weeks contain multiple wild games that end with high drama. I love it. And I loved it back when my team was awful. Just seems like the opposite of anything even resembling a "shit product".

Relax dude. We all love football. Let me be more clear then

The overall product of NFL football in 2024 seems worse than it has in a long while. Not counting the Chiefs and a few other teams, most QBs and head coaches seem woefully lacking in the skills to be good at their jobs. I would prefer better play overall, since I enjoy football.

MarkDavis'Haircut 12-29-2024 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17882561)
Guess I don't measure the league's overall awesomeness by the Week 17 box scores. The NFL offers a level playing field to all 32 teams. Some franchises seize that opportunity while others do not/cannot. The vast majority of betting lines are low to medium single digits, so it's at least generally pretty competitive. Most weeks contain multiple wild games that end with high drama. I love it. And I loved it back when my team was awful. Just seems like the opposite of anything even resembling a "shit product".

The ratings keep going up and up each year and the biggest complainers about the league keep watching each week.

wazu 12-29-2024 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 17882565)
Relax dude. We all love football. Let me be more clear then

The overall product of NFL football in 2024 seems worse than it has in a long while. Not counting the Chiefs and a few other teams, most QBs and head coaches seem woefully lacking in the skills to be good at their jobs. I would prefer better play overall, since I enjoy football.

Okay, I will recall the report I just finished typing up and sending to the fan police.

Why Not? 12-29-2024 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkDavis'Haircut (Post 17882567)
The ratings keep going up and up each year and the biggest complainers about the league keep watching each week.

That’s correct. Nothing will change because no one (including me) will stop watching. But I can bitch about the quality when it’s poor. I did not know the NFL needed such defending.

Oh except for next week. I will not be watching outside of the Chiefs game. There simply will not be enough meaningful games to watch.

Bearcat 12-29-2024 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 17882565)
Relax dude. We all love football. Let me be more clear then

The overall product of NFL football in 2024 seems worse than it has in a long while. Not counting the Chiefs and a few other teams, most QBs and head coaches seem woefully lacking in the skills to be good at their jobs. I would prefer better play overall, since I enjoy football.

Yeah, in another thread it was discussed there are typically ~4-6 teams under .300 and there are currently 9 (and the Saints are .313). And it hasn't made the league top heavy, it's just given a bunch of ~6-9 win teams an extra win or three, which makes a bunch of mediocre playoff teams look a little better in the standings.

The fact the Chiefs absolutely **** around in the regular season and can still win 15 games should be an obvious point about the quality of the league... a team without two of their best receivers most of the season, down their game 1 RB1, down to a 3rd string kicker at one point, playing a RG at LT.

Much less the other 1 seed going almost two entire seasons without playing more than a few other teams with 10+ wins.

There's so much bad football being played this season, and we're all here just waiting for mid-January when the shit league is trimmed down to the top 4.

displacedinMN 12-29-2024 04:13 PM

Vikes 7-GB 3

Pepe Silvia 12-29-2024 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17882562)

You should have an Office Gif Off with Bearcat.

wazu 12-29-2024 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 17882576)
That’s correct. Nothing will change because no one (including me) will stop watching. But I can bitch about the quality when it’s poor. I did not know the NFL needed such defending.

Oh except for next week. I will not be watching outside of the Chiefs game. There simply will not be enough meaningful games to watch.

Yeah, I might have gotten a little too revved up. I think I have a tendency to white knight/chearlead the NFL because I am so constantly frustrated with Major League Baseball.

Why Not? 12-29-2024 04:15 PM

ROFL
Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17882575)
Okay, I will recall the report I just finished typing up and sending to the fan police.

Touché

Why Not? 12-29-2024 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17882587)
Yeah, I might have gotten a little too revved up. I think I have a tendency to white knight/chearlead the NFL because I am so constantly frustrated with Major League Baseball.

It’s all good. I do love the sport of football, I just want it to be as entertaining as we all know it can be.

mr. tegu 12-29-2024 04:18 PM

Really hoping for the Lions vs Vikings winner take all game next week.

Why Not? 12-29-2024 04:20 PM

Part of this is the league’s greed and the need to have games on almost every day. So now, on Sunday afternoon, we are left with one kinda good game (or at least so far) and one absolute dud.

The Dolphins are a great example of what I’m talking about. I get no Tua but Huntley is playing well and they have (according to media) this great head coach in McDaniel. But as a potential playoff team (lol) they are doing absolutely nothing vs an awful Browns team.

wazu 12-29-2024 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17882596)
Really hoping for the Lions vs Vikings winner take all game next week.

Yeah if we're rooting for good football, that game has the potential to be absolutely epic.

Bearcat 12-29-2024 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepe Silvia (Post 17882585)
You should have an Office Gif Off with Bearcat.

This isn't the thread that came to mind, but...
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=346695

notorious 12-29-2024 04:22 PM

I just had an awfully sensational thought:

Minnesota fan has lived through horrific torment. The Chiefs need to beat their ass in the Superbowl. :devil:

displacedinMN 12-29-2024 04:22 PM

Pack gives up ball on downs in vike territory

displacedinMN 12-29-2024 04:24 PM

During the Vikes game.

A commercial about Ontario.....saying it is the main trading partner for 17 states. Hmmm
where did that come from ....felt quite gross to listen to.

Cant wait to see if this pops up on DC.

smithandrew051 12-29-2024 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 17882603)
I just had an awfully sensational thought:

Minnesota fan has lived through horrific torment. The Chiefs need to beat their ass in the Superbowl. :devil:

I think the Viking fans would just be happy to be there honestly

Pepe Silvia 12-29-2024 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17882602)
This isn't the thread that came to mind, but...
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=346695

I forgot about that thread.

displacedinMN 12-29-2024 04:26 PM

Vikes are good and play pretty mistake free football.

Out of all the possibilities--I think I put darnold as the weak link.

displacedinMN 12-29-2024 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17882607)
I think the Viking fans would just be happy to be there honestly

I want the vikes to suffer and not make the SB

notorious 12-29-2024 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17882607)
I think the Viking fans would just be happy to be there honestly

You know the Chiefs would stain what's left of their soul the worst way possible.

Pitt Gorilla 12-29-2024 04:29 PM

So, I get that it's the Jets, but what was the REAL reason the Jets gave up on developing a guy like Darnold? He'd be a fantastic fit for that team AND they would have saved themselves a bunch of first-rounders.

notorious 12-29-2024 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 17882614)
So, I get that it's the Jets, but what was the REAL reason the Jets gave up on developing a guy like Darnold? He'd be a fantastic fit for that team AND they would have saved themselves a bunch of first-rounders.

Coaching and leadership.

They have none.

Easy 6 12-29-2024 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 17882610)
Vikes are good and play pretty mistake free football.

Out of all the possibilities--I think I put darnold as the weak link.

Shoot man I disagree, Darnold is the primary reason they're doing so well IMO... he's kinda like Cousins but with a slightly better arm and football IQ

Minny is plenty capable of taking out the Eagles or Lions

displacedinMN 12-29-2024 04:32 PM

Vikes 10 Pack 3
Just over 2 min left in the 2nd

Pepe Silvia 12-29-2024 04:32 PM

The Vikings are the 2000 Titans.

Pitt Gorilla 12-29-2024 04:33 PM

That protection check and throw were fantastic there.

smithandrew051 12-29-2024 04:34 PM

If the Vikings take the 1, the Lions are done.

They aren’t winning 3 road games to get to the Super Bowl with those injuries.

Bearcat 12-29-2024 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 17882592)
It’s all good. I do love the sport of football, I just want it to be as entertaining as we all know it can be.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 17882599)
Part of this is the league’s greed and the need to have games on almost every day. So now, on Sunday afternoon, we are left with one kinda good game (or at least so far) and one absolute dud.

The Dolphins are a great example of what I’m talking about. I get no Tua but Huntley is playing well and they have (according to media) this great head coach in McDaniel. But as a potential playoff team (lol) they are doing absolutely nothing vs an awful Browns team.

Yeah, and most of the reasons the league is a watered down mess of mediocrity can be fixed by taking the greed out of it.

- Get rid of TNF
- Only have teams travel internationally before a bye week
- Go back to 16 games (if not fewer)
- Remove the 7th playoff team
- Drop at least 4 teams to help end this shit where entire divisions are pure shit... and then we'd be closer to the actual number of starting QBs in the league (but probably shouldn't drop to 20 teams LMAO)

Obviously none of that will ever happen because yay money, but soon enough they'll have 34 or more teams and an international team and 8+ teams in the playoffs and it'll be even more popular.

Why Not? 12-29-2024 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17882623)
If the Vikings take the 1, the Lions are done.

They aren’t winning 3 road games to get to the Super Bowl with those injuries.

Yeah that’s the problem for the Lions. Most of the NFC playoff teams can win a game in Detroit. I’m don’t think Detroit can win on the road in Philly.

Bearcat 12-29-2024 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepe Silvia (Post 17882609)
I forgot about that thread.

There was another one that I thought HawWire started, where we were going back and forth with a bunch of bearcat gifs and so forth.


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